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Post by wirewiper on Jun 14, 2023 17:40:51 GMT
The outcome of the by elections will be pivotal in determining who wins the election next year. If Keir Starmer doesn't win Uxbridge and South Ruislip then I don't think he's PM potential, it's an important marginal seat. The corruption of the SNP and the Tories means that it has opened a huge window of opportunity for Labour to take advantage. Uxbridge and South Ruislip could be tricky for Labour if they are not prepared. The Tories are set to turn the by-election into a quasi-referendum on Sadiq Khan's ULEZ, to turn attention away from the Government's competence or Johnson's scandals.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 14, 2023 17:50:09 GMT
Starmer please. This guy has scored more own goals than I can count. I don't rate a person who doesn't know what they stand for. He knows what he stands for. The difference is that Starmer, like most opposition leaders would have outlandish and unrealistic promises to get the government to budge on certain policies, or to attempt to cause a swing in an election where they have no chance. Now it's very realistic Labour could form the next government, the policies need to be made realistic. This may possibly be the rare one time I may have to disagree with you on Starmer. In my opinion I feel as though he's on the fence and indecisive. Even though I do support Labour I just don't rate him as a leader.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 14, 2023 18:39:07 GMT
Starmer please. This guy has scored more own goals than I can count. I don't rate a person who doesn't know what they stand for. He knows what he stands for. The difference is that Starmer, like most opposition leaders would have outlandish and unrealistic promises to get the government to budge on certain policies, or to attempt to cause a swing in an election where they have no chance. Now it's very realistic Labour could form the next government, the policies need to be made realistic. I’ve said time and time again that Starmer spends too much time trying to appeal to every subset of society which in turn is alienating the traditional Labour voter. They feel lost in what they will see as a lack of direction, a virtue signalling party leadership and a potential PM who is just a blue as the average middle class Tory voter. I think the Lib Dems will do very well at the by-election and could potentially do very well at a general.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 14, 2023 22:28:40 GMT
He knows what he stands for. The difference is that Starmer, like most opposition leaders would have outlandish and unrealistic promises to get the government to budge on certain policies, or to attempt to cause a swing in an election where they have no chance. Now it's very realistic Labour could form the next government, the policies need to be made realistic. I’ve said time and time again that Starmer spends too much time trying to appeal to every subset of society which in turn is alienating the traditional Labour voter. They feel lost in what they will see as a lack of direction, a virtue signalling party leadership and a potential PM who is just a blue as the average middle class Tory voter. I think the Lib Dems will do very well at the by-election and could potentially do very well at a general. The lib dems have no chance of taking Uxbridge and South Ruislip and also the general election too.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2023 22:32:52 GMT
He knows what he stands for. The difference is that Starmer, like most opposition leaders would have outlandish and unrealistic promises to get the government to budge on certain policies, or to attempt to cause a swing in an election where they have no chance. Now it's very realistic Labour could form the next government, the policies need to be made realistic. I’ve said time and time again that Starmer spends too much time trying to appeal to every subset of society which in turn is alienating the traditional Labour voter. They feel lost in what they will see as a lack of direction, a virtue signalling party leadership and a potential PM who is just a blue as the average middle class Tory voter. I think the Lib Dems will do very well at the by-election and could potentially do very well at a general. He is practically David Cameron in a different frock, trying to please everybody.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 14, 2023 23:01:12 GMT
Boris Johnson: By-election confirmed for former constituencyThe government has confirmed a by-election in Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the former constituency of ex-prime minister Boris Johnson.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65903844
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 0:47:08 GMT
Boris Johnson: By-election confirmed for former constituencyThe government has confirmed a by-election in Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the former constituency of ex-prime minister Boris Johnson.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65903844 The by election hasn't really got much to do with Boris Johnson resigning. The Tories could still retain the seat if they field a strong enough candidate. Instead it will be local issues that matter the most. The Labour candidate seems to be pro ULEZ which I don't see as a popular choice for residents in the constituency.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2023 3:16:46 GMT
Starmer please. This guy has scored more own goals than I can count. I don't rate a person who doesn't know what they stand for. This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM Can I ask why out of interest as I don't understand why anyone would rather Rishi over most people baring the extreme parts of the Tory party. For example, I couldn't vote for someone who broke Covid rules alongside Boris or is part of a government that knowingly is holding back information requested from a judge and then takes their own inquiry to court wasting yet more money.
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Post by cardinal on Jun 15, 2023 5:43:51 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM Can I ask why out of interest as I don't understand why anyone would rather Rishi over most people baring the extreme parts of the Tory party. For example, I couldn't vote for someone who broke Covid rules alongside Boris or is part of a government that knowingly is holding back information requested from a judge and then takes their own inquiry to court wasting yet more money. I share your views. However I don’t expect any government to be able to be squeaky clean. How this government have behaved has been too much. Every now and then I walk past the covid wall, or have a flash back to traumatic incidents during that period. And then I think for those in power, it was nothing. They partied, basically had pubs in their offices, lied, covered up, emptied hospitals almost overnight creating the care home crisis. Maybe had Boris actually really had got covid and nearly died things might have been different.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 15, 2023 6:52:48 GMT
Starmer please. This guy has scored more own goals than I can count. I don't rate a person who doesn't know what they stand for. This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM For once I am in complete agreement!
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 15, 2023 7:06:57 GMT
Can I ask why out of interest as I don't understand why anyone would rather Rishi over most people baring the extreme parts of the Tory party. For example, I couldn't vote for someone who broke Covid rules alongside Boris or is part of a government that knowingly is holding back information requested from a judge and then takes their own inquiry to court wasting yet more money. I share your views. However I don’t expect any government to be able to be squeaky clean. How this government have behaved has been too much. Every now and then I walk past the covid wall, or have a flash back to traumatic incidents during that period. And then I think for those in power, it was nothing. They partied, basically had pubs in their offices, lied, covered up, emptied hospitals almost overnight creating the care home crisis. Maybe had Boris actually really had got covid and nearly died things might have been different. Johnson DID get Covid! In April 2020. I don't know about nearly dying but he was certainly hospitalised, and there was speculation at the time that he could be the first Prime Minister to die in office in 150 years.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 8:10:38 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM Can I ask why out of interest as I don't understand why anyone would rather Rishi over most people baring the extreme parts of the Tory party. For example, I couldn't vote for someone who broke Covid rules alongside Boris or is part of a government that knowingly is holding back information requested from a judge and then takes their own inquiry to court wasting yet more money. I'm not the person with the greatest political knowledge but I find Keir Starmer dull and uninspiring. He doesn't know what he stands for. Whilst Rishi broke the rules regarding Covid, the blame mostly lies in the hands of Boris Johnson and Rishi is trying to distance himself from Boris anyway to show that their leaderships are completely different. Rishi hasn't even been PM for a year, I think we should give him time to see whether he is PM material for the next few years.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 8:37:34 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 15, 2023 8:41:26 GMT
Is that really a shocker after the events of the past week? He claimed it was a sitch up. Honestly don't think we will ever know the truth as there are two biased versions.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 15, 2023 8:52:19 GMT
We're still going on about PartyGate? Jesus.
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