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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2023 11:52:40 GMT
Can I ask why out of interest as I don't understand why anyone would rather Rishi over most people baring the extreme parts of the Tory party. For example, I couldn't vote for someone who broke Covid rules alongside Boris or is part of a government that knowingly is holding back information requested from a judge and then takes their own inquiry to court wasting yet more money. I'm not the person with the greatest political knowledge but I find Keir Starmer dull and uninspiring. He doesn't know what he stands for. Whilst Rishi broke the rules regarding Covid, the blame mostly lies in the hands of Boris Johnson and Rishi is trying to distance himself from Boris anyway to show that their leaderships are completely different. Rishi hasn't even been PM for a year, I think we should give him time to see whether he is PM material for the next few years. Interesting, thanks for sharing, so it’s more your not convinced by Starmer rather than actually think Sunak is any good? Starmer is dull but TBH, I don’t want personalities in Number 10 after the nonsense of Boris among others. Yes, he has been flip flopping lately but I put that down to our grim financial situation becoming more evident. As for Sunak, he doesn’t get a pass just because Boris was in charge, he broke rules and thus should not PM as it sets a poor example for what is supposed to be a prestigious job. The time thing is a fair comment but he doesn’t have time because the election is next year and in any case, he has done nothing to convince me I should change my mind over what I think about the Tories - right now it’s anyone but them
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 15, 2023 18:05:44 GMT
We're still going on about PartyGate? Jesus. Too right we are. The Privileges Committee has finished its enquiry, and its finding are d*mning. Johnson repeatedly misled the House of Commons over lockdown parties in Downing Street. For his contempt, the Committee would have recommended a 90-day suspension from the House of Commons has he not already resigned - and a ten-day suspension would be enough to potentially trigger a recall and a by-election. It is reported that two of the MPs of the Committee actually wanted to go further and have him expelled. The contempt is all the more serious as it was committed by the man who at the time was Prime Minister, the most senior member of the Government. The character of the man who had to lead the country through its most serious emergency since the Second World War has now been exposed officially and found seriously wanting. Johnson's abuse and intimidation of the Committee is also noted in the report. This abuse and intimidation is now being extended to threats of deselection for any Conservative MPs who dare to vote for the report to be published.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 18:58:41 GMT
We're still going on about PartyGate? Jesus. Too right we are. The Privileges Committee has finished its enquiry, and its finding are d*mning. Johnson repeatedly misled the House of Commons over lockdown parties in Downing Street. For his contempt, the Committee would have recommended a 90-day suspension from the House of Commons has he not already resigned - and a ten-day suspension would be enough to potentially trigger a recall and a by-election. It is reported that two of the MPs of the Committee actually wanted to go further and have him expelled. The contempt is all the more serious as it was committed by the man who at the time was Prime Minister, the most senior member of the Government. The character of the man who had to lead the country through its most serious emergency since the Second World War has now been exposed officially and found seriously wanting. Johnson's abuse and intimidation of the Committee is also noted in the report. This abuse and intimidation is now being extended to threats of deselection for any Conservative MPs who dare to vote for the report to be published. I don’t know, I read the report and it just seems to be a lot of hearsay, a lot of “we found evidence” but everyone quoted has minimal excerpts of “I think” and “it seemed to me”. It just seems like typical Johnson i.e the bumbling idiot that was just spouting COVID guidance without being given the full facts by those surrounding him. It’s very unlikely he wrote the guidelines so of course like most of us he interpreted what he read. This is over 2 years ago now, we just need to move on and live our lives. COVID is over and life is back to normal. It’s just tiresome seeing this dragged up again and again.
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Post by mkay315 on Jun 15, 2023 19:27:37 GMT
Too right we are. The Privileges Committee has finished its enquiry, and its finding are d*mning. Johnson repeatedly misled the House of Commons over lockdown parties in Downing Street. For his contempt, the Committee would have recommended a 90-day suspension from the House of Commons has he not already resigned - and a ten-day suspension would be enough to potentially trigger a recall and a by-election. It is reported that two of the MPs of the Committee actually wanted to go further and have him expelled. The contempt is all the more serious as it was committed by the man who at the time was Prime Minister, the most senior member of the Government. The character of the man who had to lead the country through its most serious emergency since the Second World War has now been exposed officially and found seriously wanting. Johnson's abuse and intimidation of the Committee is also noted in the report. This abuse and intimidation is now being extended to threats of deselection for any Conservative MPs who dare to vote for the report to be published. I don’t know, I read the report and it just seems to be a lot of hearsay, a lot of “we found evidence” but everyone quoted has minimal excerpts of “I think” and “it seemed to me”. It just seems like typical Johnson i.e the bumbling idiot that was just spouting COVID guidance without being given the full facts by those surrounding him. It’s very unlikely he wrote the guidelines so of course like most of us he interpreted what he read. This is over 2 years ago now, we just need to move on and live our lives. COVID is over and life is back to normal. It’s just tiresome seeing this dragged up again and again. I get where you're coming from however for some people that lost a loved one during covid moving on would be a bit hard for them to do for various reasons.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 20:01:38 GMT
I don’t know, I read the report and it just seems to be a lot of hearsay, a lot of “we found evidence” but everyone quoted has minimal excerpts of “I think” and “it seemed to me”. It just seems like typical Johnson i.e the bumbling idiot that was just spouting COVID guidance without being given the full facts by those surrounding him. It’s very unlikely he wrote the guidelines so of course like most of us he interpreted what he read. This is over 2 years ago now, we just need to move on and live our lives. COVID is over and life is back to normal. It’s just tiresome seeing this dragged up again and again. I get where you're coming from however for some people that lost a loved one during covid moving on would be a bit hard for them to do for various reasons. I feel for them, I do but for most us it is time to draw a line under the whole f**ked era and just carry on.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2023 20:51:06 GMT
I get where you're coming from however for some people that lost a loved one during covid moving on would be a bit hard for them to do for various reasons. I feel for them, I do but for most us it is time to draw a line under the whole f**ked era and just carry on. I think it's appropriate he was punished for it, with his role came great responsibility and he's been given the appropriate punishment relative to what he did. Any future PM now will also look back on this and know that nobody is above the law and will think twice before commuting something silly like this. Reminds me of when Anthony McPartlin got fined thousands for drink driving, obviously the offence itself wasn't worth nearly that much of a fine, however his role in society meant people saw him as an example so he was punished accordingly. Think this saga will drag on now to the next election. Labour and its friends in opposition has successfully managed to drag this fiasco on for over 18 months now, they need to last less than 12 now until we're in General election territory and I think they very much have the capability to do that, if they don't then the Tories can probably do it themselves anyway with all this infighting. Labour's aim is presumably to get into a position where they can install proportionate voting to effectively seal the right off from forming any meaningful ruling government for a very very long time, to a point people are projecting such a change could even mean the end of the Conservative party due to the extreme population densities of London, Birmingham, Manchester etc.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 15, 2023 21:01:37 GMT
Too right we are. The Privileges Committee has finished its enquiry, and its finding are d*mning. Johnson repeatedly misled the House of Commons over lockdown parties in Downing Street. For his contempt, the Committee would have recommended a 90-day suspension from the House of Commons has he not already resigned - and a ten-day suspension would be enough to potentially trigger a recall and a by-election. It is reported that two of the MPs of the Committee actually wanted to go further and have him expelled. The contempt is all the more serious as it was committed by the man who at the time was Prime Minister, the most senior member of the Government. The character of the man who had to lead the country through its most serious emergency since the Second World War has now been exposed officially and found seriously wanting. Johnson's abuse and intimidation of the Committee is also noted in the report. This abuse and intimidation is now being extended to threats of deselection for any Conservative MPs who dare to vote for the report to be published. I don’t know, I read the report and it just seems to be a lot of hearsay, a lot of “we found evidence” but everyone quoted has minimal excerpts of “I think” and “it seemed to me”. It just seems like typical Johnson i.e the bumbling idiot that was just spouting COVID guidance without being given the full facts by those surrounding him. It’s very unlikely he wrote the guidelines so of course like most of us he interpreted what he read. This is over 2 years ago now, we just need to move on and live our lives. COVID is over and life is back to normal. It’s just tiresome seeing this dragged up again and again. All of this is truth. Just a pointless beating of a dead horse. All the fat cats probs had secret parties
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 21:08:06 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 21:16:51 GMT
I feel for them, I do but for most us it is time to draw a line under the whole f**ked era and just carry on. I think it's appropriate he was punished for it, with his role came great responsibility and he's been given the appropriate punishment relative to what he did. Any future PM now will also look back on this and know that nobody is above the law and will think twice before commuting something silly like this. Reminds me of when Anthony McPartlin got fined thousands for drink driving, obviously the offence itself wasn't worth nearly that much of a fine, however his role in society meant people saw him as an example so he was punished accordingly. Think this saga will drag on now to the next election. Labour and its friends in opposition has successfully managed to drag this fiasco on for over 18 months now, they need to last less than 12 now until we're in General election territory and I think they very much have the capability to do that, if they don't then the Tories can probably do it themselves anyway with all this infighting. Labour's aim is presumably to get into a position where they can install proportionate voting to effectively seal the right off from forming any meaningful ruling government for a very very long time, to a point people are projecting such a change could even mean the end of the Conservative party due to the extreme population densities of London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. Ant McPartlin injured a child in a car crash with his dangerous driving, he was lightly punished and should have been jailed with his career ended. If I recall he showed very little remorse for her injuries regardless of how minor they were. Johnson won’t face any punishment as the parliamentary committee can only make recommendations, they aren’t binding and since he’s now resigned it’s effectively over. As for Labour, I don’t think they’ll get as easy as ride as you think. Mark my words watch the Lib Dems, the alienated voters on both major sides will end up somewhere. As for proportional representation, it’s not something I agree with in its basic form. I’ve suggested previously the we should adopt a German style mixed-member electoral system which could also be used to replace the existing House of Lords as well. In that scenario the first vote could be used to represent commons members whilst the second vote would form the lords or the renamed upper house.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 21:18:11 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer. Ah, yes because no politician has lied to the public or don’t you remember when Blair took us into an illegal war based on evidence that didn’t exist and lies in the commons.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2023 21:21:30 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer. This isn't a Covid election, it's more so a cost of living one and Truss has kindly sunk the country to show everyone why the Tories shouldn't be in Power. Rishi knows he is finished now, he's intending to delay the election much like how Brown did when there was a new certain defeat heading his way. It's hard for Rishi to have any ideas that the population will resonate with that won't go against traditional Conservative values. The way out of this mess is to raise taxes on the highest earners. Not to mention Rishi himself is completely out of touch with society. The saying that people have short memories is true in some cases, but this has been 4 years of utter shambles from the party and even if this upcoming year is excellent for the Tories it's unlikely people will forget about 4 years of mayhem. The reality is this saga will not vanish for a couple more months now which will take us firmly into election territory.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 15, 2023 21:24:46 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer. Tackle the economy? Where have you been for the last year or so? They completely trashed it! Remember the budget Truss and co signed off last year? The Conservatives will be gone next year and out of power for years! We go through cycles like this!
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 21:25:44 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer. Tackle the economy? Where have you been for the last year or so? They completely trashed it! Remember the budget Truss and co signed off last year? The Conservatives will be gone next year and out of power for years! We go through cycles like this! Give it a decade and they’ll be back in power. Five if Sir Keith Flip Flop can’t decide his priorities.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 15, 2023 21:35:44 GMT
Tackle the economy? Where have you been for the last year or so? They completely trashed it! Remember the budget Truss and co signed off last year? The Conservatives will be gone next year and out of power for years! We go through cycles like this! Give it a decade and they’ll be back in power. Five if Sir Keith Flip Flop can’t decide his priorities. I don’t doubt they will back but really do think now or next year is the right time for a change.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 21:41:31 GMT
Many people will remember the last 3 years aka the Johnson era as the time when the Tories completely lied to us by telling us to obey the rules yet they did the opposite. Johnson ruined the reputation of his party which will alienate many people. However this isn't a Covid election and many other issues are at stake, and I don't believe that the Tories are finished especially if Rishi can tackle the economy and have better ideas than Keir Starmer. Ah, yes because no politician has lied to the public or don’t you remember when Blair took us into an illegal war based on evidence that didn’t exist and lies in the commons. So has Boris Johnson regarding Ukraine!
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