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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 21:42:48 GMT
Tackle the economy? Where have you been for the last year or so? They completely trashed it! Remember the budget Truss and co signed off last year? The Conservatives will be gone next year and out of power for years! We go through cycles like this! Give it a decade and they’ll be back in power. Five if Sir Keith Flip Flop can’t decide his priorities. Personally I would have preferred Jeremy Corbyn over Keir Boring
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 21:52:22 GMT
Ah, yes because no politician has lied to the public or don’t you remember when Blair took us into an illegal war based on evidence that didn’t exist and lies in the commons. So has Boris Johnson regarding Ukraine! I don’t recall BoJo lying about Ukraine, he certainly used the crisis to bolster his public image but I don’t recall any lies about it.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 15, 2023 21:54:38 GMT
So has Boris Johnson regarding Ukraine! I don’t recall BoJo lying about Ukraine, he certainly used the crisis to bolster his public image but I don’t recall any lies about it. As bad as Putin's motives are with Ukraine, the UK did not have to get involved. Though no one really knows whether getting involved was for the better or not
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2023 22:02:10 GMT
Give it a decade and they’ll be back in power. Five if Sir Keith Flip Flop can’t decide his priorities. Personally I would have preferred Jeremy Corbyn over Keir Boring I'm a bit surprised how you would prefer someone like Corbyn who has since shown to be Anti-Semetic and had some questionable policies as opposed to someone you just see as boring. They're meant to be the PM, not an entertainer or personality.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 15, 2023 22:04:13 GMT
I don’t recall BoJo lying about Ukraine, he certainly used the crisis to bolster his public image but I don’t recall any lies about it. As bad as Putin's motives are with Ukraine, the UK did not have to get involved. Though no one really knows whether getting involved was for the better or not The UK didn't get involved though? I despise the Tories but I think Boris called the right shots with Ukraine, throwing full support behind the country but not involving the UK direct in any sort of conflict. Pretty much every western country, or at least every G7 country is doing similar to what the UK has done.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2023 22:09:13 GMT
As bad as Putin's motives are with Ukraine, the UK did not have to get involved. Though no one really knows whether getting involved was for the better or not The UK didn't get involved though? I despise the Tories but I think Boris called the right shots with Ukraine, throwing full support behind the country but not involving the UK direct in any sort of conflict. Pretty much every western country, or at least every G7 country is doing similar to what the UK has done. I agree the approach used by the UK and subsequently adopted by various other countries was right. Providing weaponry, aircraft and military expertise through training civilian forces was absolutely right. It hasn’t escalated the situation but rather allowed Ukraine to stand on its own in defiance. There is a reason the people love Boris there and have even renamed a street after him, it’s in a city no one’s ever heard of but it’s still a street.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 15, 2023 23:17:31 GMT
Ah, yes because no politician has lied to the public or don’t you remember when Blair took us into an illegal war based on evidence that didn’t exist and lies in the commons. So has Boris Johnson regarding Ukraine! Boris deserves everything he gets quite frankly however when it comes to Ukraine, I don't think anyone, regardless of their politics can accuse him of lying over that or even getting it wrong. The action he took and that Sunak has carried on taking is correct though TBH, I think majority of leaders would do so especially after the lessons from past conflicts but they both done that so that's the only credit you'll hear me give them Tony Blair domestically has been the best PM in my lifetime and I'd do anything to have New Labour back in charge but with a very different foreign policy agenda as he did get it spectacularly wrong over Iraq and he did lie about it
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 16, 2023 1:50:21 GMT
Personally I would have preferred Jeremy Corbyn over Keir Boring I'm a bit surprised how you would prefer someone like Corbyn who has since shown to be Anti-Semetic and had some questionable policies as opposed to someone you just see as boring. They're meant to be the PM, not an entertainer or personality. Anti semitism was existent in the Labour Party, it wasn't just a Corbyn problem. Whether Starmer is any better is debatable however no party is immune to controversies and the Tories are filled with islamophobia. Regarding entertainers well it seems that we elected exactly that in 2019 and after the past few years I think that many would not have voted for Boris if they could forsee the future and perhaps we would have Corbyn in charge. I think that Corbyn would have dealt with the pandemic better too. Personality is also key because you have to be charismatic and Starmer unfortunately is not
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Post by vjaska on Jun 16, 2023 2:29:32 GMT
I'm a bit surprised how you would prefer someone like Corbyn who has since shown to be Anti-Semetic and had some questionable policies as opposed to someone you just see as boring. They're meant to be the PM, not an entertainer or personality. Anti semitism was existent in the Labour Party, it wasn't just a Corbyn problem. Whether Starmer is any better is debatable however no party is immune to controversies and the Tories are filled with islamophobia. Regarding entertainers well it seems that we elected exactly that in 2019 and after the past few years I think that many would not have voted for Boris if they could forsee the future and perhaps we would have Corbyn in charge. I think that Corbyn would have dealt with the pandemic better too. Personality is also key because you have to be charismatic and Starmer unfortunately is not It wasn't just a Corbyn problem but he played a big part in it - he also has a habit of backing terror groups be it the likes of Hamas or writing for pro IRA papers alongside John McDonald. He plays the harmless granddad character when he is anything but that. It's hard to say if he would of done better during the pandemic but Boris definitely made more of a pigs ear out than he should of despite the fact, the country was set up to fail in the event of any pandemic rearing it's ugly head. The country was prepared in the 2000's but then under Cameron, everything was cut under the awful austerity remit and that preparedness evaporated as the years went by. Hopefully, thats a lesson that comes out of the enquiry - I mean even Tesco was doing pandemic drills from roughly 2016 onwards but the government thought it to be not important
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 16, 2023 12:34:09 GMT
Some of you might be disappointed to hear the Boris has bounced back as the Daily Mails newest columnist. I hear it’s a six figure salary, so he won’t be scrambling for cash.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 16, 2023 12:54:00 GMT
Some of you might be disappointed to hear the Boris has bounced back as the Daily Mails newest columnist. I hear it’s a six figure salary, so he won’t be scrambling for cash. Don't think that's a bad move, the guy clearly wants to collapse the Sunak administration and the party in general so him having a platform to annihilate the entire party is probably a good thing.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 16, 2023 17:56:09 GMT
Some of you might be disappointed to hear the Boris has bounced back as the Daily Mails newest columnist. I hear it’s a six figure salary, so he won’t be scrambling for cash. My general view of Johnson roughly matches that of the inimitable Jonathan Pie. He is a mendacious, venal, corrupt, underhanded bully. A nasty piece of work who should never have been allowed anywhere near the reins of power, let alone actually become the most powerful politician in the UK. Until the Conservative Party rids itself of all hints of support for Johnson, I can never support them.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2023 23:21:30 GMT
I don’t know, I read the report and it just seems to be a lot of hearsay, a lot of “we found evidence” but everyone quoted has minimal excerpts of “I think” and “it seemed to me”. It just seems like typical Johnson i.e the bumbling idiot that was just spouting COVID guidance without being given the full facts by those surrounding him. It’s very unlikely he wrote the guidelines so of course like most of us he interpreted what he read. This is over 2 years ago now, we just need to move on and live our lives. COVID is over and life is back to normal. It’s just tiresome seeing this dragged up again and again. All of this is truth. Just a pointless beating of a dead horse. All the fat cats probs had secret parties Well said, it is only a matter of time before someone internal who has a fall out with Starmer would then produce further evidence of his parties and breaking the law. I do not believe he is innocent either. The same way years after people come out of the woodwork with Scofield etc when they cannot get their way.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 16, 2023 23:23:41 GMT
I think it's appropriate he was punished for it, with his role came great responsibility and he's been given the appropriate punishment relative to what he did. Any future PM now will also look back on this and know that nobody is above the law and will think twice before commuting something silly like this. Reminds me of when Anthony McPartlin got fined thousands for drink driving, obviously the offence itself wasn't worth nearly that much of a fine, however his role in society meant people saw him as an example so he was punished accordingly. Think this saga will drag on now to the next election. Labour and its friends in opposition has successfully managed to drag this fiasco on for over 18 months now, they need to last less than 12 now until we're in General election territory and I think they very much have the capability to do that, if they don't then the Tories can probably do it themselves anyway with all this infighting. Labour's aim is presumably to get into a position where they can install proportionate voting to effectively seal the right off from forming any meaningful ruling government for a very very long time, to a point people are projecting such a change could even mean the end of the Conservative party due to the extreme population densities of London, Birmingham, Manchester etc. Ant McPartlin injured a child in a car crash with his dangerous driving, he was lightly punished and should have been jailed with his career ended. If I recall he showed very little remorse for her injuries regardless of how minor they were. Johnson won’t face any punishment as the parliamentary committee can only make recommendations, they aren’t binding and since he’s now resigned it’s effectively over. As for Labour, I don’t think they’ll get as easy as ride as you think. Mark my words watch the Lib Dems, the alienated voters on both major sides will end up somewhere. As for proportional representation, it’s not something I agree with in its basic form. I’ve suggested previously the we should adopt a German style mixed-member electoral system which could also be used to replace the existing House of Lords as well. In that scenario the first vote could be used to represent commons members whilst the second vote would form the lords or the renamed upper house. Probably the reason why Ant never said much on the issue is that it is to do with the legal side. Saying the 'wrong' things can further land them in jail etc. Many of the best top laywers would have been involved guiding his every move after the incident.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 17, 2023 2:42:09 GMT
All of this is truth. Just a pointless beating of a dead horse. All the fat cats probs had secret parties Well said, it is only a matter of time before someone internal who has a fall out with Starmer would then produce further evidence of his parties and breaking the law. I do not believe he is innocent either. The same way years after people come out of the woodwork with Scofield etc when they cannot get their way. I wouldn't put him along the likes of Schofield, Bill Cosby or R Kelly just yet, his only crime is being dull, but after several years of chaos, I don't think the public care anymore as politics is more a career than to help or serve others. See all the tough talk on migration and its worse, Brexit has failed, people are poorer, only the pharma companies have made money with their dodgy vaccines as we put covid in us not knowing side effects after house arrest of a year... I would have thought Bojo could have gotten work driving a bus at UX seeing his love for them, I wonder if he still makes them out of wine crates? Perhaps a route like the A10 where he could really put his foot down? Daily Fail will suit him. His latest article says he had no success with a drug to help him lose weight but still encourages his readers to try it in case it works for them. It's the vaccine all over again
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