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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Jun 17, 2023 14:19:27 GMT
Starmer please. This guy has scored more own goals than I can count. I don't rate a person who doesn't know what they stand for. This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM While there is not a huge difference between Rishi and Keir, the difference is that Rishi is better than many in his party while Keir is blander than some in his party.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 17, 2023 17:28:35 GMT
All of this is truth. Just a pointless beating of a dead horse. All the fat cats probs had secret parties Well said, it is only a matter of time before someone internal who has a fall out with Starmer would then produce further evidence of his parties and breaking the law. I do not believe he is innocent either. The same way years after people come out of the woodwork with Scofield etc when they cannot get their way. I totally agree with you about Kier Starmer, he's probably keeping his head down at the moment just thankful that he's dodged a bullet. And yes if he upsets any of his current buddies they might well drop him in it at some future date.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 17, 2023 17:36:16 GMT
This might be an unpopular opinion but I'd rather Rishi remained PM than Starmer becoming PM While there is not a huge difference between Rishi and Keir, the difference is that Rishi is better than many in his party while Keir is blander than some in his party. Many will disagree with me but Rishi could emerge victorious at the next election for a few reasons: 1. They do better than what is predicted 2. Keir Starmer or Labour end up in a scandal that we currently don't know about 3. The Tories end up improving the economy/living standards 4. The Tories completely disassociate themselves with Boris Johnson. However, especially no 3, this sounds unlikely. I can only see more Tory scandals emerging over the next few months.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 21, 2023 9:06:25 GMT
A further report from the Privileges Committee that investigated Boris Johnson could cause further rifts in the Conservative Party. An additional report, concerning what was described by the Committee as “a sustained attempt, seemingly coordinated” to undermine its members and the inquiry process, could be released as early as next week. It could potentially name individual Conservative MPs. Whilst it is not known what the extra report will say, it is likely to further anger Johnson supporters whom Rishi Sunak is trying to placate. Sunak himself has remained silent on the issue and was absent for Monday's vote which endorsed the Privileges Committee report, which has led to accusations of weakness from Opposition parties. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/20/johnson-inquiry-report-on-attack-by-mps-could-prompt-fresh-tory-infighting
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 21, 2023 10:18:30 GMT
A further report from the Privileges Committee that investigated Boris Johnson could cause further rifts in the Conservative Party. An additional report, concerning what was described by the Committee as “a sustained attempt, seemingly coordinated” to undermine its members and the inquiry process, could be released as early as next week. It could potentially name individual Conservative MPs. Whilst it is not known what the extra report will say, it is likely to further anger Johnson supporters whom Rishi Sunak is trying to placate. Sunak himself has remained silent on the issue and was absent for Monday's vote which endorsed the Privileges Committee report, which has led to accusations of weakness from Opposition parties. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/20/johnson-inquiry-report-on-attack-by-mps-could-prompt-fresh-tory-infighting This looks bad on Sunaks reputation! It shows that he doesn't care about Boris's actions! Mind you Boris Johnson was always absent for key votes such as the one about Heathrow expand in 2018 and missed several cobra meetings before Covid. It goes to show that the PM does not care about his people. I live in the Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency so it will be interesting to see who wins the by election. I think it will be decided on local issues such as whether to build houses on the green belt. On a national scale I can't see Rishi nor Keir Starmer winning a majority and if Starmer does become PM I feel that he will be a one term PM
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 21, 2023 10:50:55 GMT
A further report from the Privileges Committee that investigated Boris Johnson could cause further rifts in the Conservative Party. An additional report, concerning what was described by the Committee as “a sustained attempt, seemingly coordinated” to undermine its members and the inquiry process, could be released as early as next week. It could potentially name individual Conservative MPs. Whilst it is not known what the extra report will say, it is likely to further anger Johnson supporters whom Rishi Sunak is trying to placate. Sunak himself has remained silent on the issue and was absent for Monday's vote which endorsed the Privileges Committee report, which has led to accusations of weakness from Opposition parties. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/20/johnson-inquiry-report-on-attack-by-mps-could-prompt-fresh-tory-infighting This looks bad on Sunaks reputation! It shows that he doesn't care about Boris's actions! Mind you Boris Johnson was always absent for key votes such as the one about Heathrow expand in 2018 and missed several cobra meetings before Covid. It goes to show that the PM does not care about his people. I live in the Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency so it will be interesting to see who wins the by election. I think it will be decided on local issues such as whether to build houses on the green belt. On a national scale I can't see Rishi nor Keir Starmer winning a majority and if Starmer does become PM I feel that he will be a one term PM If Starmer wins I see Labour sticking on as they'll almost certainly introduce proportional voting which will make it very hard for any party on the right to gain power.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 21, 2023 11:37:27 GMT
A further report from the Privileges Committee that investigated Boris Johnson could cause further rifts in the Conservative Party. An additional report, concerning what was described by the Committee as “a sustained attempt, seemingly coordinated” to undermine its members and the inquiry process, could be released as early as next week. It could potentially name individual Conservative MPs. Whilst it is not known what the extra report will say, it is likely to further anger Johnson supporters whom Rishi Sunak is trying to placate. Sunak himself has remained silent on the issue and was absent for Monday's vote which endorsed the Privileges Committee report, which has led to accusations of weakness from Opposition parties. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/20/johnson-inquiry-report-on-attack-by-mps-could-prompt-fresh-tory-infighting Next we will have a group of Conservative MPs demanding an parliamentary enquiry is carried out as to whether the Privileges Committee overstepped there authority and whether they acted ethically and properly.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 21, 2023 11:41:40 GMT
This looks bad on Sunaks reputation! It shows that he doesn't care about Boris's actions! Mind you Boris Johnson was always absent for key votes such as the one about Heathrow expand in 2018 and missed several cobra meetings before Covid. It goes to show that the PM does not care about his people. I live in the Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency so it will be interesting to see who wins the by election. I think it will be decided on local issues such as whether to build houses on the green belt. On a national scale I can't see Rishi nor Keir Starmer winning a majority and if Starmer does become PM I feel that he will be a one term PM If Starmer wins I see Labour sticking on as they'll almost certainly introduce proportional voting which will make it very hard for any party on the right to gain power. Really, as that would mean the chances of Labour ever having a parliamentary majority are virtually reduced to nil. Proportional representation is not in the interests of the two big parties, just the smaller parties, hence why LibDems and Greens, and the right of Conservative parties are very keen on it. Didn't UKIP get 16% of the vote and just one MP, that would have translated to about 100 MPs.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 21, 2023 13:55:29 GMT
If Starmer wins I see Labour sticking on as they'll almost certainly introduce proportional voting which will make it very hard for any party on the right to gain power. Really, as that would mean the chances of Labour ever having a parliamentary majority are virtually reduced to nil. Proportional representation is not in the interests of the two big parties, just the smaller parties, hence why LibDems and Greens, and the right of Conservative parties are very keen on it. Didn't UKIP get 16% of the vote and just one MP, that would have translated to about 100 MPs. Precisely
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 21, 2023 14:15:48 GMT
If Starmer wins I see Labour sticking on as they'll almost certainly introduce proportional voting which will make it very hard for any party on the right to gain power. Really, as that would mean the chances of Labour ever having a parliamentary majority are virtually reduced to nil. Proportional representation is not in the interests of the two big parties, just the smaller parties, hence why LibDems and Greens, and the right of Conservative parties are very keen on it. Didn't UKIP get 16% of the vote and just one MP, that would have translated to about 100 MPs. proportional representation is silly, look what happened to Germany in the 1920s and 30s. Proportional representation was one of the reasons why the Nazis came to power as the Weimar republic was too weak by relying on proportional representation
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 21, 2023 16:10:16 GMT
Really, as that would mean the chances of Labour ever having a parliamentary majority are virtually reduced to nil. Proportional representation is not in the interests of the two big parties, just the smaller parties, hence why LibDems and Greens, and the right of Conservative parties are very keen on it. Didn't UKIP get 16% of the vote and just one MP, that would have translated to about 100 MPs. proportional representation is silly, look what happened to Germany in the 1920s and 30s. Proportional representation was one of the reasons why the Nazis came to power as the Weimar republic was too weak by relying on proportional representation I have long suggested Mixed-member proportional representation as a long term solution. It would effectively create a lower house of common MPs representing the people I.e. a constituency seat and an upper house, replacing the lords, representing the party vote. So you’d have two MPs representing the area. But the lower house could be very mixed with no overall control, with members presenting bills which matter to them and the upper house run by a majority party. It would better represent people and you’d end up with a far better system of scrutiny. So your local lower house MP would be better placed to fight for local issues. The elections don’t even need to be held together. We could split them a run four year terms with the elections trading off semi-annually. Have a look, it works in Denmark and Germany uses a variant of MMPR.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 21, 2023 17:15:51 GMT
proportional representation is silly, look what happened to Germany in the 1920s and 30s. Proportional representation was one of the reasons why the Nazis came to power as the Weimar republic was too weak by relying on proportional representation I have long suggested Mixed-member proportional representation as a long term solution. It would effectively create a lower house of common MPs representing the people I.e. a constituency seat and an upper house, replacing the lords, representing the party vote. So you’d have two MPs representing the area. But the lower house could be very mixed with no overall control, with members presenting bills which matter to them and the upper house run by a majority party. It would better represent people and you’d end up with a far better system of scrutiny. So your local lower house MP would be better placed to fight for local issues. The elections don’t even need to be held together. We could split them a run four year terms with the elections trading off semi-annually. Have a look, it works in Denmark and Germany uses a variant of MMPR. How would the balance of power between these two houses work? If they're both elected and one has no overall control doesn't that risk legislative paralysis.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 21, 2023 17:24:01 GMT
I have long suggested Mixed-member proportional representation as a long term solution. It would effectively create a lower house of common MPs representing the people I.e. a constituency seat and an upper house, replacing the lords, representing the party vote. So you’d have two MPs representing the area. But the lower house could be very mixed with no overall control, with members presenting bills which matter to them and the upper house run by a majority party. It would better represent people and you’d end up with a far better system of scrutiny. So your local lower house MP would be better placed to fight for local issues. The elections don’t even need to be held together. We could split them a run four year terms with the elections trading off semi-annually. Have a look, it works in Denmark and Germany uses a variant of MMPR. How would the balance of power between these two houses work? If they're both elected and one has no overall control doesn't that risk legislative paralysis. Look at how the US works, or does not as the case maybe. You get stand-offs between the House of Representatives and the Senate and not much gets done when they are controlled by different parties, shutdowns of government are not unknown.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 21, 2023 17:34:18 GMT
How would the balance of power between these two houses work? If they're both elected and one has no overall control doesn't that risk legislative paralysis. Look at how the US works, or does not as the case maybe. You get stand-offs between the House of Representatives and the Senate and not much gets done when they are controlled by different parties, shutdowns of government are not unknown. However in the case of MMPR the house would be controlled by whoever wins the most votes. So if the Conservatives won 51% of the vote they would get 51% of the seats. In the lower house it is more of a mixed representation so it’s MPs from across the political spectrum representing our local ideals. Essentially it would allow the removal of those MPs focused on national issues and place proper representation into our systems. But even then MMPR is only a framework, it could be adapted in many different ways. New Zealand, parts of Canada, Germany etc all use the basic system but have altered it to better fit their countries or provinces needs. So there is no reason why ours couldn’t be altered to fit our needs.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 22, 2023 22:32:39 GMT
Well said, it is only a matter of time before someone internal who has a fall out with Starmer would then produce further evidence of his parties and breaking the law. I do not believe he is innocent either. The same way years after people come out of the woodwork with Scofield etc when they cannot get their way. I wouldn't put him along the likes of Schofield, Bill Cosby or R Kelly just yet, his only crime is being dull, but after several years of chaos, I don't think the public care anymore as politics is more a career than to help or serve others. See all the tough talk on migration and its worse, Brexit has failed, people are poorer, only the pharma companies have made money with their dodgy vaccines as we put covid in us not knowing side effects after house arrest of a year... I would have thought Bojo could have gotten work driving a bus at UX seeing his love for them, I wonder if he still makes them out of wine crates? Perhaps a route like the A10 where he could really put his foot down? Daily Fail will suit him. His latest article says he had no success with a drug to help him lose weight but still encourages his readers to try it in case it works for them. It's the vaccine all over again I did not say Starmer is similar in the likes of the people listed. Merely that once people within his team cannot get their way, they then dish dirt on him. This seems to be the in thing about many politicians. If I am going down, I am taking you with me.
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