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Post by greenboy on Oct 6, 2023 6:20:10 GMT
You're delusional if you think the other lot would have done any better, maybe we'll see after the next election? It was only because of their incompetence that Boris won by a landslide and even with the current government apparently doing so badly I don't think anybody would suggest that Labour have got the next election in the bag. And how are you so certain the “other lot” wouldn’t have done better? If RS is so great and the best thing since sliced bread why is he not 5, 10, 15 or 20 points ahead in the polls? I've certainly not suggested that Rishi Sunak was the best thing since sliced bread and whilst Kier Starmer is happy to slam him over the northern leg of HS2 he won't commit to getting it done should he be elected and he still can't make up his mind over the ULEZ expansion. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 6, 2023 10:26:30 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 6, 2023 10:43:25 GMT
And how are you so certain the “other lot” wouldn’t have done better? If RS is so great and the best thing since sliced bread why is he not 5, 10, 15 or 20 points ahead in the polls? I've certainly not suggested that Rishi Sunak was the best thing since sliced bread and whilst Kier Starmer is happy to slam him over the northern leg of HS2 he won't commit to getting it done should he be elected and he still can't make up his mind over the ULEZ expansion. He would be quite hypercritical of him to reinstate HS2 when he was one of the prominent voices against HS2 being built when it was in the planning stage. If it came to London he did not want it going beyond Old Oak Common, to Euston .... |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2023 11:40:17 GMT
I've certainly not suggested that Rishi Sunak was the best thing since sliced bread and whilst Kier Starmer is happy to slam him over the northern leg of HS2 he won't commit to getting it done should he be elected and he still can't make up his mind over the ULEZ expansion. He would be quite hypercritical of him to reinstate HS2 when he was one of the prominent voices against HS2 being built when it was in the planning stage. If it came to London he did not want it going beyond Old Oak Common, to Euston .... I was always against HS2 myself but once you’ve built a chunk of it, there is no point in stopping and creating a halfway house situation that benefits next to no one. So call me hypocritical if you like but at least I’m aware of how silly it is to cancel mid project and leave it as shuttle regardless of my view |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 6, 2023 12:13:08 GMT
He would be quite hypercritical of him to reinstate HS2 when he was one of the prominent voices against HS2 being built when it was in the planning stage. If it came to London he did not want it going beyond Old Oak Common, to Euston .... I was always against HS2 myself but once you’ve built a chunk of it, there is no point in stopping and creating a halfway house situation that benefits next to no one. So call me hypocritical if you like but at least I’m aware of how silly it is to cancel mid project and leave it as shuttle regardless of my view I totally agree with your sentiments, but the half way house we now have is what he was originally campaigning for. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 20, 2023 22:22:23 GMT
Think it goes without saying today was a bad day for the Tories (so good day for the country). Even the 1997 landslide couldn't get Mid-Bedfordshire to turn to Labour but they've managed it this time.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2023 6:24:57 GMT
Think it goes without saying today was a bad day for the Tories (so good day for the country). Even the 1997 landslide couldn't get Mid-Bedfordshire to turn to Labour but they've managed it this time. Tbh I think that most people have had enough of the Tories especially after COVID. I'm willing to give Keir Starmer a chance to see if he can improve the country. I'd expect a lot of voter swing from Tory to Labour if things continue like they are. Quite possibly a bigger majority than what the Tories had in 2019. I think that the Tories are finished now. A shocking statistic is that the Tories have lost 1/4 of their majority, down from 80 in 2019 to 60 now. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2023 6:31:43 GMT
Think it goes without saying today was a bad day for the Tories (so good day for the country). Even the 1997 landslide couldn't get Mid-Bedfordshire to turn to Labour but they've managed it this time. Tbh I think that most people have had enough of the Tories especially after COVID. I'm willing to give Keir Starmer a chance to see if he can improve the country. I'd expect a lot of voter swing from Tory to Labour if things continue like they are. Quite possibly a bigger majority than what the Tories had in 2019. I think that the Tories are finished now. A shocking statistic is that the Tories have lost 1/4 of their majority, down from 80 in 2019 to 60 now. Whilst I can understand dissatisfaction with the current government if you want to see what it'll be like with a Labour government then look at Wales. Less than half the electotate bothered to vote at all in Mid Bedfordshire. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2023 7:03:29 GMT
Tbh I think that most people have had enough of the Tories especially after COVID. I'm willing to give Keir Starmer a chance to see if he can improve the country. I'd expect a lot of voter swing from Tory to Labour if things continue like they are. Quite possibly a bigger majority than what the Tories had in 2019. I think that the Tories are finished now. A shocking statistic is that the Tories have lost 1/4 of their majority, down from 80 in 2019 to 60 now. Whilst I can understand dissatisfaction with the current government if you want to see what it'll be like with a Labour government then look at Wales. Less than half the electotate bothered to vote at all in Mid Bedfordshire. That's still less than half the electorate that didn't vote Tory, everyone that stayed at home didn't vote Tory either so clearly weren't interested in them. Even if the turnout was still low, that low turn out historically would still result in a Tory win. Labour despite the low turnout increased their voters. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2023 7:06:43 GMT
Whilst I can understand dissatisfaction with the current government if you want to see what it'll be like with a Labour government then look at Wales. Less than half the electotate bothered to vote at all in Mid Bedfordshire. That's still less than half the electorate that didn't vote Tory, everyone that stayed at home didn't vote Tory either so clearly weren't interested in them. Even if the turnout was still low, that low turn out historically would still result in a Tory win. Labour despite the low turnout increased their voters. The overall winner was voter apathy just to put it into perspective. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2023 7:13:38 GMT
That's still less than half the electorate that didn't vote Tory, everyone that stayed at home didn't vote Tory either so clearly weren't interested in them. Even if the turnout was still low, that low turn out historically would still result in a Tory win. Labour despite the low turnout increased their voters. The overall winner was voter apathy just to put it into perspective. Voter apathy and a protest vote. I don’t doubt that the country will probably change governments at the next general but it’s hardly a vote of confidence from the people if it’s just a protest at the status quo. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2023 7:19:31 GMT
The overall winner was voter apathy just to put it into perspective. Voter apathy and a protest vote. I don’t doubt that the country will probably change governments at the next general but it’s hardly a vote of confidence from the people if it’s just a protest at the status quo. If people are protesting, then it's a coincidence most of them are voting for the same competing party |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2023 7:24:23 GMT
Voter apathy and a protest vote. I don’t doubt that the country will probably change governments at the next general but it’s hardly a vote of confidence from the people if it’s just a protest at the status quo. If people are protesting, then it's a coincidence most of them are voting for the same competing party I’m not talking about the ones who consistently vote Labour, it’s the ones who would normally vote Conservative or Green or Lib Dem protesting their vote into Labour. Whatever happens as usual it’ll be the middle earners who are consistently screwed over. Too poor for tax evasion schemes, too rich for poor people schemes. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2023 8:01:52 GMT
If people are protesting, then it's a coincidence most of them are voting for the same competing party I’m not talking about the ones who consistently vote Labour, it’s the ones who would normally vote Conservative or Green or Lib Dem protesting their vote into Labour. Whatever happens as usual it’ll be the middle earners who are consistently screwed over. Too poor for tax evasion schemes, too rich for poor people schemes. But protesting your vote into Labour means you want them to be the winner of the election. There's a reason people protest vote Labour as opposed to protest voting reform UK or the likes. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2023 8:40:31 GMT
I’m not talking about the ones who consistently vote Labour, it’s the ones who would normally vote Conservative or Green or Lib Dem protesting their vote into Labour. Whatever happens as usual it’ll be the middle earners who are consistently screwed over. Too poor for tax evasion schemes, too rich for poor people schemes. But protesting your vote into Labour means you want them to be the winner of the election. There's a reason people protest vote Labour as opposed to protest voting reform UK or the likes. Not necessarily, there will be many that will just protest their vote at a by-election to send a message to the government. It doesn’t always mean that is how they would vote at a general election which is why Labour are right to remain cautious at this stage. Like I’ve said at every stage we have to watch the Lib Dems as they will likely pick up seats in places where Labour aren’t particularly popular like Cornwall. I don’t think the conservatives will win the next election but I also don’t expect the redwash Labour seem to think it will be. Ultimately despite the universally agreed notion that we are voting for a local MP rather than the PM I don’t think people trust Starmer as much as the papers would have us believe, it’s just they dislike Sunak more. From my own perspective I don’t know what Starmer stands for, I see far too much inconsistency amongst the Labour frontbenchers including himself and I just promise after promise with no actual evidence of how they would achieve it. During conference Starmer said he would more funding to public services but only through economic growth but refused to say how he would achieve growth. The public need to have faith that he has a plan and frankly it all just sounds like everything would fall aside with their failure, in typical Labour style, blamed on someone else. |
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