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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 26, 2024 17:17:10 GMT
An interesting article here from RouteOne: www.route-one.net/bus/adls-enviro400ev-and-enviro100ev-driven-with-new-efficiency-figures/"Noteworthy is the achievement of 0.54kWh/km efficiency of the Enviro100EV, which ADL says has no comparable in the world. The Enviro400EV has meanwhile been certified with an efficiency rating of 0.67kWh/km." No doubt ADL will be pleased that they have beaten Wright. A highlight of some of the test results from here: www.zemo.org.uk/work-with-us/buses-coaches/low-emission-buses/certificates-hub.htmADL Enviro100EV Battery: 354kWh Consumption: 0.54 kWh/km Range (up to): 573km Passenger Capacity: 41 ADL Enviro400EV Battery: 472kWh Consumption: 0.67 kWh/km Range (up to): 620km Passenger Capacity: 84 ADL Enviro200EV (current BYD version) Battery: 348kWh Consumption: 1.10kWH/km Range (up to): 290km Passenger Capacity: 65 ADL Enviro400EV (current BYD version) Battery: 382kWh Consumption: 0.92kWH/km Range (up to): 333km Passenger Capacity: 85 Caetano e.City Gold Battery: 385kWh Consumption: 0.93kWH/km Range (up to): 331km Passenger Capacity: 65 Switch Mobility Metrocity EV Battery: 226kWh Consumption: 0.95kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 60 Switch Mobility Metrodecker EV Battery: 300kWh Consumption: 1.14kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 98 Volvo BZL Single Deck Battery: 376kWh Consumption: 1.08kWH/km Range (up to): 278km Passenger Capacity: 86 Volvo BZL Double Deck Battery: 470kWh Consumption: 1.09kWH/km Range (up to): 345km Passenger Capacity: 81 Wright StreetDeck Electroliner Battery: 454kWh Consumption: 0.75kWH/km Range (up to): 484km Passenger Capacity: 98 Yutong U11DD Battery: 422kWh Consumption: 0.74kWH/km Range (up to): 503km Passenger Capacity: 80 As can be seen the current aging BYD E400EV platform is significantly less efficient than the equivalent new ADL offerings. The Metrodecker EV doesn't do well either but it too is an old platform now. The biggest surprise for me is the Volvo BZL double deck. The efficient figures don't seem that good for something that has only just been released fairly recently. I can't see any reason why the likes of GAL won't be switching over to the new non-BYD E400EV in the near future with Wright coming a close second. I can't see a compelling reason for going with the Volvo BZL DD unless there is a significant price advantage. I look forward to seeing what the new non-BYD E200EV will produce when it goes through the same tests in the near future. When ADL pay you to write an article…reminds me of the “rattle proof” bus from all them years ago. I would like to see the real life operation of this bus. The certificates are linked so it'd be quite illegal from multiple companies if this was fabricated. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 9:02:00 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 11:22:37 GMT
I think the Orpington routes would be a good bet as restricted to 9m buses. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 2, 2024 11:35:34 GMT
I think the Orpington routes would be a good bet as restricted to 9m buses. Certainly. You've got the R1, R3, R4, R8 already announced, 233, 138, R6 to come and a possible B14 win. 162/352/354/R7 to come later in the year too so could build up quite a hub. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 2, 2024 12:46:50 GMT
I think the Orpington routes would be a good bet as restricted to 9m buses. Certainly. You've got the R1, R3, R4, R8 already announced, 233, 138, R6 to come and a possible B14 win. 162/352/354/R7 to come later in the year too so could build up quite a hub. Likewise, nothing has yet been announced for the new W12 contract, and perhaps the new W14 contract? |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 12:57:56 GMT
Certainly. You've got the R1, R3, R4, R8 already announced, 233, 138, R6 to come and a possible B14 win. 162/352/354/R7 to come later in the year too so could build up quite a hub. Likewise, nothing has yet been announced for the new W12 contract, and perhaps the new W14 contract? Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 2, 2024 13:39:34 GMT
Likewise, nothing has yet been announced for the new W12 contract, and perhaps the new W14 contract? Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. I wouldn't be so sure. Both AW and LI already have Metrocities, and it would allow for greater fleet flexibility to order more Metrocities for both routes. More than happy to be proven wrong eventually though. Regardless I would be surprised if anything but BZLs were ordered for the SD component to route W13. |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 2, 2024 13:53:22 GMT
Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. I wouldn't be so sure. Both AW and LI already have Metrocities, and it would allow for greater fleet flexibility to order more Metrocities for both routes. More than happy to be proven wrong eventually though. Regardless I would be surprised if anything but BZLs were ordered for the SD component to route W13. By the same account, they've ordered mixed fleets of Volvo and Switch for garages like Lea Interchange and Volvo and Wright for Ash Grove. All i'll say is time will tell! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 2, 2024 17:32:35 GMT
Likewise, nothing has yet been announced for the new W12 contract, and perhaps the new W14 contract? Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. Be interesting to see if Stagecoach go back to ADL and a single type again like with the ALX400, E400 and E40H. |
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Post by DE20106 on Apr 2, 2024 20:42:29 GMT
Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. Be interesting to see if Stagecoach go back to ADL and a single type again like with the ALX400, E400 and E40H. The ADL E400EV does certainly good like a very impressive and tempting option, absolutely huge claimed range. I think Stagecoach will change to it when it comes out as you mention, GAL will probably switch to it, RATP probably too if they win some upcoming contracts with new buses |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 2, 2024 21:15:21 GMT
Suspect this is where to keep an eye out... Notice Stagecoach is poised to place an order for almost 400 new-gen ADL EV buses with ZEBRA funding as they are the preferred supplier. Seems logical some TfL requirements may be bolted onto that, delivery slot dependent. Be interesting to see if Stagecoach go back to ADL and a single type again like with the ALX400, E400 and E40H. Now Stagecoach is under different management I think we'll see a different buying strategy from them. It is interesting that since Stagecoach has been under DWS there have been no orders for ADL Electrics in London, whereas before, it was pretty much guaranteed that any electrics would have been ordered from ADL. |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 3, 2024 5:49:44 GMT
Be interesting to see if Stagecoach go back to ADL and a single type again like with the ALX400, E400 and E40H. Now Stagecoach is under different management I think we'll see a different buying strategy from them. It is interesting that since Stagecoach has been under DWS there have been no orders for ADL Electrics in London, whereas before, it was pretty much guaranteed that any electrics would have been ordered from ADL. I agree. In any case a London version will need type approval before any orders can be placed. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 3, 2024 7:00:20 GMT
Now Stagecoach is under different management I think we'll see a different buying strategy from them. It is interesting that since Stagecoach has been under DWS there have been no orders for ADL Electrics in London, whereas before, it was pretty much guaranteed that any electrics would have been ordered from ADL. I agree. In any case a London version will need type approval before any orders can be placed. Judging by the fact there's a London spec model around and ADL aren't particularly new to London spec that they would have already taken steps towards this. Judging by the fact they've also mentioned the fact the new front end is the only one compliant with TfL spec too suggests they already have. |
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Post by sp17 on Apr 3, 2024 19:00:30 GMT
I agree. In any case a London version will need type approval before any orders can be placed. Judging by the fact there's a London spec model around and ADL aren't particularly new to London spec that they would have already taken steps towards this. Judging by the fact they've also mentioned the fact the new front end is the only one compliant with TfL spec too suggests they already have. Aren’t the modified Wrights compliant to TfL spec? |
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Post by TB123 on Apr 3, 2024 19:40:42 GMT
Judging by the fact there's a London spec model around and ADL aren't particularly new to London spec that they would have already taken steps towards this. Judging by the fact they've also mentioned the fact the new front end is the only one compliant with TfL spec too suggests they already have. Aren’t the modified Wrights compliant to TfL spec? Yes |
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