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Post by cl54 on Apr 3, 2024 21:12:56 GMT
I agree. In any case a London version will need type approval before any orders can be placed. Judging by the fact there's a London spec model around and ADL aren't particularly new to London spec that they would have already taken steps towards this. Judging by the fact they've also mentioned the fact the new front end is the only one compliant with TfL spec too suggests they already have. I have not seen any examples of a dual door shorter version of the new vehicle as required for use in LOndon.. The new front is only part of the spec required for London. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2024 14:52:08 GMT
Believe this is the first production E400EV sighted, sitting inbetween an E400City and E400MMC providing a nice comparism of body shape.  Different Bodies of Enviro400s by Bus Boi, on Flickr The first ADL Enviro400EV to enter passenger service is 80004 - SK24XRE on route 2 in Oxford |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 27, 2024 16:35:55 GMT
Message I received from ADL about the new 400EV for London.
Homologation on TfL specification is currently being worked on by our fantastic engineering teams.
(Homologation is the process to grant approval by an official authority. This is to ensure the products meet regulations for things such as safety and environmental impact.)
So not ready for orders yet.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 27, 2024 16:39:25 GMT
Message I received from ADL about the new 400EV for London. Homologation on TfL specification is currently being worked on by our fantastic engineering teams. (Homologation is the process to grant approval by an official authority. This is to ensure the products meet regulations for things such as safety and environmental impact.) So not ready for orders yet. The Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev models were ordered before the relevant homologation had been completed, so it plainly isn't the case that it "isn't ready for orders" |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 27, 2024 16:46:50 GMT
Message I received from ADL about the new 400EV for London. Homologation on TfL specification is currently being worked on by our fantastic engineering teams. (Homologation is the process to grant approval by an official authority. This is to ensure the products meet regulations for things such as safety and environmental impact.) So not ready for orders yet. The Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev models were ordered before the relevant homologation had been completed, so it plainly isn't the case that it "isn't ready for orders" I think it's pretty clear he was referring to London orders. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 16:48:31 GMT
The Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev models were ordered before the relevant homologation had been completed, so it plainly isn't the case that it "isn't ready for orders" I think it's pretty clear he was referring to London orders. That is his point, if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved, London operators most likely can |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 27, 2024 16:53:18 GMT
I think it's pretty clear he was referring to London orders. That is his point, if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved, London operators most likely can Why? The homologation is irrelevant with respect to those operators as they wouldn't have ordered the TfL spec version, which is the model being homologated. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 17:01:16 GMT
That is his point, if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved, London operators most likely can Why? The homologation is irrelevant with respect to those operators as they wouldn't have ordered the TfL spec version, which is the model being homologated. "if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved" In simpler terms, they ordered batches of the E400EVs before the homologation of the regional spec was approved, so that doesn't mean it's stopping orders for the TfL spec as they have also advertised and showed that they can meet the TfL interior standards unlike the SWB BYD E400EV |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Apr 27, 2024 17:02:58 GMT
Why? The homologation is irrelevant with respect to those operators as they wouldn't have ordered the TfL spec version, which is the model being homologated. "if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved" In simpler terms, they ordered batches of the E400EVs before the homologation of the regional spec was approved, so that doesn't mean it's stopping orders for the TfL spec as they have advertised and showed that they can meet the TfL interior standards unlike the SWB BYD E400EV I understand now - apologies to all concerned. |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 28, 2024 6:35:52 GMT
Why? The homologation is irrelevant with respect to those operators as they wouldn't have ordered the TfL spec version, which is the model being homologated. "if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved" In simpler terms, they ordered batches of the E400EVs before the homologation of the regional spec was approved, so that doesn't mean it's stopping orders for the TfL spec as they have also advertised and showed that they can meet the TfL interior standards unlike the SWB BYD E400EV With respect homologation could include acceptance of the whole vehicle by TfL (and other authorities) not just the interior. The message I received from ADL did not state how much work is outstanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 7:28:02 GMT
"if Stagecoach Oxford and Transdev placed orders before the Regional spec had their homologation approved" In simpler terms, they ordered batches of the E400EVs before the homologation of the regional spec was approved, so that doesn't mean it's stopping orders for the TfL spec as they have also advertised and showed that they can meet the TfL interior standards unlike the SWB BYD E400EV With respect homologation could include acceptance of the whole vehicle by TfL (and other authorities) not just the interior. The message I received from ADL did not state how much work is outstanding. Yes, there's a lot of ifs, coulds and probables but nothing pointing to an outright no order acceptance by ADL for the TfL spec |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 28, 2024 12:21:19 GMT
With respect homologation could include acceptance of the whole vehicle by TfL (and other authorities) not just the interior. The message I received from ADL did not state how much work is outstanding. Yes, there's a lot of ifs, coulds and probables but nothing pointing to an outright no order acceptance by ADL for the TfL spec I wonder if we might at least see a demonstrator in London some time soon, until orders are definitely able to be placed? It seems there was some delay in the DD BZL becoming available in TFL spec (maybe for the same reason) - with Stagecoach ordering Streetdecks for the 86/199 instead (despite getting SD BZLs at the same time for the 276). But Metroline had their BZL demonstrator much earlier, even if it wasn't used in passenger service. I'm sure Go Ahead will be interested in the integral ADL range, maybe other London operators too? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 28, 2024 13:58:59 GMT
Yes, there's a lot of ifs, coulds and probables but nothing pointing to an outright no order acceptance by ADL for the TfL spec I wonder if we might at least see a demonstrator in London some time soon, until orders are definitely able to be placed? It seems there was some delay in the DD BZL becoming available in TFL spec (maybe for the same reason) - with Stagecoach ordering Streetdecks for the 86/199 instead (despite getting SD BZLs at the same time for the 276). But Metroline had their BZL demonstrator much earlier, even if it wasn't used in passenger service. I'm sure Go Ahead will be interested in the integral ADL range, maybe other London operators too? I can imagine the buses on the SL3 will be doing a lot of milage in a day, you'd want a bus with a lot of range for that which would look good for the E400EV, the Electroliner also probably has enough range at just a bit less than the E400EV. |
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Post by DE20106 on Apr 28, 2024 17:01:47 GMT
I wonder if we might at least see a demonstrator in London some time soon, until orders are definitely able to be placed? It seems there was some delay in the DD BZL becoming available in TFL spec (maybe for the same reason) - with Stagecoach ordering Streetdecks for the 86/199 instead (despite getting SD BZLs at the same time for the 276). But Metroline had their BZL demonstrator much earlier, even if it wasn't used in passenger service. I'm sure Go Ahead will be interested in the integral ADL range, maybe other London operators too? I can imagine the buses on the SL3 will be doing a lot of milage in a day, you'd want a bus with a lot of range for that which would look good for the E400EV, the Electroliner also probably has enough range at just a bit less than the E400EV. The Electroliner is considerably less than the E400EV actually. Off the top of my head the Electroliner range is ~480km (approx figure), the new E400 is ~605km. The SL3 is pretty comparable with the 111 in length, but with the SL3 being an express route I imagine the scheduled mileage is quite a bit higher than the 111. So if I were to guess I’d say the Electroliner might struggle to meet the SL3’s schedule, especially in winter. I’d also make a guess that itll be the new E400EV in line for the SL3 |
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 28, 2024 17:09:10 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year
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