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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2023 17:11:00 GMT
Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. Very unlikely. However if Go Ahead do switch generally to the new integral E400EV, it would mean they wouldn't have to make exceptions like the 200 in the future. I do wonder though how TFL will address a few routes like the 240 and 291, since there may not be any electric DDs short enough at the moment. Given the 291's length, I wonder if it might be best to return to SDs again at the next retender but at a higher frequency? And TFL could consider if any minor road layout changes in the Mill Hill area could allow longer DDs on the 240? Or maybe the 10.3m BYD DD could be a solution for such routes, but would presumably have less capacity than other electric DDs? The 291 routing isn't ideal for very high frequency operation as a lot of the roads are narrow and require buses to pull in to pass other cars - the current set up seems to work fine and shouldn't be removed just because there might be a hypothetical issue with electrics (hypothetical as in right now, any electric conversion isn't imminent) |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 8, 2023 19:53:47 GMT
Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. Very unlikely. However if Go Ahead do switch generally to the new integral E400EV, it would mean they wouldn't have to make exceptions like the 200 in the future. I do wonder though how TFL will address a few routes like the 240 and 291, since there may not be any electric DDs short enough at the moment. Given the 291's length, I wonder if it might be best to return to SDs again at the next retender but at a higher frequency? And TFL could consider if any minor road layout changes in the Mill Hill area could allow longer DDs on the 240? Or maybe the 10.3m BYD DD could be a solution for such routes, but would presumably have less capacity than other electric DDs? I think a 10.3m City might be too low for TFLs minimum capacity. That's probably why the order for the 363 and C3 was changed to Electoliner. |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 8, 2023 20:16:31 GMT
Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. Very unlikely. However if Go Ahead do switch generally to the new integral E400EV, it would mean they wouldn't have to make exceptions like the 200 in the future. I do wonder though how TFL will address a few routes like the 240 and 291, since there may not be any electric DDs short enough at the moment. Given the 291's length, I wonder if it might be best to return to SDs again at the next retender but at a higher frequency? And TFL could consider if any minor road layout changes in the Mill Hill area could allow longer DDs on the 240? Or maybe the 10.3m BYD DD could be a solution for such routes, but would presumably have less capacity than other electric DDs? The 240 is the real problem child. Even 10.4m VWs are banned from the route! |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 8, 2023 20:20:42 GMT
Let's hope so, they look good. Yes I agree about the 439 and R routes. The 439 can start off with the SEs from the 470 when it gets shortened. Let's hope the start of something else other then City's aswell for Go Ahead. I wonder if the 262/333/321/473 will be the first break in the chain. I think the S3 will stick with the Metrocity. I’m hoping and praying my beloved 131 and 473 get these. I do think these will kill off the BYD orders in London, I think Abellio will try these as well |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 22:43:20 GMT
No different for many small buses of that size over the years. Diesel E200s have 19.5" wheels. It is basically a 2020s breadvan and those did not offer a great ride. Also down to the tyres, they had a low profile on the E200's hence the harsher ride. It reminds me of how buses like Titans, Olympians etc had high sidewalls compared to early Low floor buses which had a harder ride. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2024 20:50:58 GMT
Believe this is the first production E400EV sighted, sitting inbetween an E400City and E400MMC providing a nice comparism of body shape.  Different Bodies of Enviro400s by Bus Boi, on Flickr |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Mar 3, 2024 22:38:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
Believe this is the first production E400EV sighted, sitting inbetween an E400City and E400MMC providing a nice comparism of body shape. Different Bodies of Enviro400s by Bus Boi, on Flickr |
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Post by DE20106 on Mar 13, 2024 18:27:36 GMT
Believe this is the first production E400EV sighted, sitting inbetween an E400City and E400MMC providing a nice comparism of body shape. Different Bodies of Enviro400s by Bus Boi, on Flickr Quite simply … that looks brilliant. It remains to be seen if the build quality is as good … |
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Post by allentc on Mar 26, 2024 10:16:53 GMT
An interesting article here from RouteOne: www.route-one.net/bus/adls-enviro400ev-and-enviro100ev-driven-with-new-efficiency-figures/"Noteworthy is the achievement of 0.54kWh/km efficiency of the Enviro100EV, which ADL says has no comparable in the world. The Enviro400EV has meanwhile been certified with an efficiency rating of 0.67kWh/km." No doubt ADL will be pleased that they have beaten Wright. A highlight of some of the test results from here: www.zemo.org.uk/work-with-us/buses-coaches/low-emission-buses/certificates-hub.htmADL Enviro100EV Battery: 354kWh Consumption: 0.54 kWh/km Range (up to): 573km Passenger Capacity: 41 ADL Enviro400EV Battery: 472kWh Consumption: 0.67 kWh/km Range (up to): 620km Passenger Capacity: 84 ADL Enviro200EV (current BYD version) Battery: 348kWh Consumption: 1.10kWH/km Range (up to): 290km Passenger Capacity: 65 ADL Enviro400EV (current BYD version) Battery: 382kWh Consumption: 0.92kWH/km Range (up to): 333km Passenger Capacity: 85 Caetano e.City Gold Battery: 385kWh Consumption: 0.93kWH/km Range (up to): 331km Passenger Capacity: 65 Switch Mobility Metrocity EV Battery: 226kWh Consumption: 0.95kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 60 Switch Mobility Metrodecker EV Battery: 300kWh Consumption: 1.14kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 98 Volvo BZL Single Deck Battery: 376kWh Consumption: 1.08kWH/km Range (up to): 278km Passenger Capacity: 86 Volvo BZL Double Deck Battery: 470kWh Consumption: 1.09kWH/km Range (up to): 345km Passenger Capacity: 81 Wright StreetDeck Electroliner Battery: 454kWh Consumption: 0.75kWH/km Range (up to): 484km Passenger Capacity: 98 Yutong U11DD Battery: 422kWh Consumption: 0.74kWH/km Range (up to): 503km Passenger Capacity: 80 As can be seen the current aging BYD E400EV platform is significantly less efficient than the equivalent new ADL offerings. The Metrodecker EV doesn't do well either but it too is an old platform now. The biggest surprise for me is the Volvo BZL double deck. The efficient figures don't seem that good for something that has only just been released fairly recently. I can't see any reason why the likes of GAL won't be switching over to the new non-BYD E400EV in the near future with Wright coming a close second. I can't see a compelling reason for going with the Volvo BZL DD unless there is a significant price advantage. I look forward to seeing what the new non-BYD E200EV will produce when it goes through the same tests in the near future. |
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Post by londonbuses on Mar 26, 2024 14:38:08 GMT
An interesting article here from RouteOne: www.route-one.net/bus/adls-enviro400ev-and-enviro100ev-driven-with-new-efficiency-figures/"Noteworthy is the achievement of 0.54kWh/km efficiency of the Enviro100EV, which ADL says has no comparable in the world. The Enviro400EV has meanwhile been certified with an efficiency rating of 0.67kWh/km." No doubt ADL will be pleased that they have beaten Wright. A highlight of some of the test results from here: www.zemo.org.uk/work-with-us/buses-coaches/low-emission-buses/certificates-hub.htmADL Enviro100EV Battery: 354kWh Consumption: 0.54 kWh/km Range (up to): 573km Passenger Capacity: 41 ADL Enviro400EV Battery: 472kWh Consumption: 0.67 kWh/km Range (up to): 620km Passenger Capacity: 84 ADL Enviro200EV (current BYD version) Battery: 348kWh Consumption: 1.10kWH/km Range (up to): 290km Passenger Capacity: 65 ADL Enviro400EV (current BYD version) Battery: 382kWh Consumption: 0.92kWH/km Range (up to): 333km Passenger Capacity: 85 Caetano e.City Gold Battery: 385kWh Consumption: 0.93kWH/km Range (up to): 331km Passenger Capacity: 65 Switch Mobility Metrocity EV Battery: 226kWh Consumption: 0.95kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 60 Switch Mobility Metrodecker EV Battery: 300kWh Consumption: 1.14kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 98 Volvo BZL Single Deck Battery: 376kWh Consumption: 1.08kWH/km Range (up to): 278km Passenger Capacity: 86 Volvo BZL Double Deck Battery: 470kWh Consumption: 1.09kWH/km Range (up to): 345km Passenger Capacity: 81 Wright StreetDeck Electroliner Battery: 454kWh Consumption: 0.75kWH/km Range (up to): 484km Passenger Capacity: 98 Yutong U11DD Battery: 422kWh Consumption: 0.74kWH/km Range (up to): 503km Passenger Capacity: 80 As can be seen the current aging BYD E400EV platform is significantly less efficient than the equivalent new ADL offerings. The Metrodecker EV doesn't do well either but it too is an old platform now. The biggest surprise for me is the Volvo BZL double deck. The efficient figures don't seem that good for something that has only just been released fairly recently. I can't see any reason why the likes of GAL won't be switching over to the new non-BYD E400EV in the near future with Wright coming a close second. I can't see a compelling reason for going with the Volvo BZL DD unless there is a significant price advantage. I look forward to seeing what the new non-BYD E200EV will produce when it goes through the same tests in the near future. Wow, I didn't expect such a massive improvement in comparison to the BYD model. Certainly shouldn't be any problems for these on the X26/SL7! |
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Post by cl54 on Mar 26, 2024 17:03:43 GMT
An interesting article here from RouteOne: www.route-one.net/bus/adls-enviro400ev-and-enviro100ev-driven-with-new-efficiency-figures/"Noteworthy is the achievement of 0.54kWh/km efficiency of the Enviro100EV, which ADL says has no comparable in the world. The Enviro400EV has meanwhile been certified with an efficiency rating of 0.67kWh/km." No doubt ADL will be pleased that they have beaten Wright. A highlight of some of the test results from here: www.zemo.org.uk/work-with-us/buses-coaches/low-emission-buses/certificates-hub.htmADL Enviro400EV Battery: 472kWh Consumption: 0.67 kWh/km Range (up to): 620km Passenger Capacity: 84 As can be seen the current aging BYD E400EV platform is significantly less efficient than the equivalent new ADL offerings. The Metrodecker EV doesn't do well either but it too is an old platform now. The biggest surprise for me is the Volvo BZL double deck. The efficient figures don't seem that good for something that has only just been released fairly recently. I can't see any reason why the likes of GAL won't be switching over to the new non-BYD E400EV in the near future with Wright coming a close second. I can't see a compelling reason for going with the Volvo BZL DD unless there is a significant price advantage. I look forward to seeing what the new non-BYD E200EV will produce when it goes through the same tests in the near future. Wow, I didn't expect such a massive improvement in comparison to the BYD model. Certainly shouldn't be any problems for these on the X26/SL7! Provided that ADL get around to building a London spec vehicle. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 26, 2024 17:06:55 GMT
Wow, I didn't expect such a massive improvement in comparison to the BYD model. Certainly shouldn't be any problems for these on the X26/SL7! Provided that ADL get around to building a London spec vehicle. Seeing as they offer it, they'll probably build one once someone orders one. I don't think they'll build London spec vehicles if nobody has ordered any unless an operator requests a demonstrator. |
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Post by sp17 on Mar 26, 2024 17:16:18 GMT
An interesting article here from RouteOne: www.route-one.net/bus/adls-enviro400ev-and-enviro100ev-driven-with-new-efficiency-figures/"Noteworthy is the achievement of 0.54kWh/km efficiency of the Enviro100EV, which ADL says has no comparable in the world. The Enviro400EV has meanwhile been certified with an efficiency rating of 0.67kWh/km." No doubt ADL will be pleased that they have beaten Wright. A highlight of some of the test results from here: www.zemo.org.uk/work-with-us/buses-coaches/low-emission-buses/certificates-hub.htmADL Enviro100EV Battery: 354kWh Consumption: 0.54 kWh/km Range (up to): 573km Passenger Capacity: 41 ADL Enviro400EV Battery: 472kWh Consumption: 0.67 kWh/km Range (up to): 620km Passenger Capacity: 84 ADL Enviro200EV (current BYD version) Battery: 348kWh Consumption: 1.10kWH/km Range (up to): 290km Passenger Capacity: 65 ADL Enviro400EV (current BYD version) Battery: 382kWh Consumption: 0.92kWH/km Range (up to): 333km Passenger Capacity: 85 Caetano e.City Gold Battery: 385kWh Consumption: 0.93kWH/km Range (up to): 331km Passenger Capacity: 65 Switch Mobility Metrocity EV Battery: 226kWh Consumption: 0.95kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 60 Switch Mobility Metrodecker EV Battery: 300kWh Consumption: 1.14kWH/km Range (up to): 219km Passenger Capacity: 98 Volvo BZL Single Deck Battery: 376kWh Consumption: 1.08kWH/km Range (up to): 278km Passenger Capacity: 86 Volvo BZL Double Deck Battery: 470kWh Consumption: 1.09kWH/km Range (up to): 345km Passenger Capacity: 81 Wright StreetDeck Electroliner Battery: 454kWh Consumption: 0.75kWH/km Range (up to): 484km Passenger Capacity: 98 Yutong U11DD Battery: 422kWh Consumption: 0.74kWH/km Range (up to): 503km Passenger Capacity: 80 As can be seen the current aging BYD E400EV platform is significantly less efficient than the equivalent new ADL offerings. The Metrodecker EV doesn't do well either but it too is an old platform now. The biggest surprise for me is the Volvo BZL double deck. The efficient figures don't seem that good for something that has only just been released fairly recently. I can't see any reason why the likes of GAL won't be switching over to the new non-BYD E400EV in the near future with Wright coming a close second. I can't see a compelling reason for going with the Volvo BZL DD unless there is a significant price advantage. I look forward to seeing what the new non-BYD E200EV will produce when it goes through the same tests in the near future. When ADL pay you to write an article…reminds me of the “rattle proof” bus from all them years ago. I would like to see the real life operation of this bus. |
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