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Post by busoccultation on Apr 28, 2024 17:19:23 GMT
I can imagine the buses on the SL3 will be doing a lot of milage in a day, you'd want a bus with a lot of range for that which would look good for the E400EV, the Electroliner also probably has enough range at just a bit less than the E400EV. The Electroliner is considerably less than the E400EV actually. Off the top of my head the Electroliner range is ~480km (approx figure), the new E400 is ~605km. The SL3 is pretty comparable with the 111 in length, but with the SL3 being an express route I imagine the scheduled mileage is quite a bit higher than the 111. So if I were to guess I’d say the Electroliner might struggle to meet the SL3’s schedule, especially in winter. I’d also make a guess that itll be the new E400EV in line for the SL3 SL3 already does have a number of buses that are scehduled to run dead between Bromley North to TB during the day for driver changeovers so may just tweek the scheudle to have more buses going back to the garage once the SL3 starts using electrics next year.
I woundn't rule out BZL's being ordered for the SL3 as TB already got the single deck BZL on order for the 314 which like the SL3 is also another long route in terms of distance from TB.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 28, 2024 17:31:54 GMT
I can imagine the buses on the SL3 will be doing a lot of milage in a day, you'd want a bus with a lot of range for that which would look good for the E400EV, the Electroliner also probably has enough range at just a bit less than the E400EV. The Electroliner is considerably less than the E400EV actually. Off the top of my head the Electroliner range is ~480km (approx figure), the new E400 is ~605km. The SL3 is pretty comparable with the 111 in length, but with the SL3 being an express route I imagine the scheduled mileage is quite a bit higher than the 111. So if I were to guess I’d say the Electroliner might struggle to meet the SL3’s schedule, especially in winter. I’d also make a guess that itll be the new E400EV in line for the SL3 I believe it's 350-400km for the Electroliner and 450km for the E400EV - advertised. So lots of variables. The 111 is a more intensive service than the SL3 - 24/7 operation throws lots more spanners into the works with vehicles that are billed as having "overnight" charging! I also wouldn't be surprised to see "bizzles" (Volvo BZLs) ordered - as our friend Busoccultation mentions, it already has a number of positioning runs to TB garage for changeover which could no doubt double up as vehicle rotations on an EV schedule. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2024 19:38:26 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year That time frame does rather put them out of some quite big orders. Go ahead are likely to still stick with BYDs on suitable routes (321, 333, 22, 88, 172, 188, 99, 229, 401) but both Arriva and Metroline need large amounts for the 34, 141, 243, 341, SL1 and U3, U4, 4, 90, 98 to follow on for the 206, 210, W7, W8 (not sure if an order has even been confirmed for those routes either). Is the SD version available yet for the R routes? |
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Post by cl54 on Apr 28, 2024 20:11:48 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year Thanks for that information. There's a lot of deckers required before they're ready. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2024 20:49:40 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year That time frame does rather put them out of some quite big orders. Go ahead are likely to still stick with BYDs on suitable routes (321, 333, 22, 88, 172, 188, 99, 229, 401) but both Arriva and Metroline need large amounts for the 34, 141, 243, 341, SL1 and U3, U4, 4, 90, 98 to follow on for the 206, 210, W7, W8 (not sure if an order has even been confirmed for those routes either). Is the SD version available yet for the R routes? Is there a time frame yet on a 10.3m BYD version? Only reason I ask is I look at the 22, 88 & 99 which are routes that either have confirmed restrictions to longer buses or possible restrictions - 22 between Green Park & Regent Street? 88 at Parliament Hill Fields roundabout & 99 at Slade Green? I don't think Arriva or Metroline will order BYD's if I'm being honest personally. Arriva have ordered ES's for the 64, 417, 279 plus the Croydon routes for TH since the EA's for the 319 and Metroline have ordered WDE's for the 142 (mainly diverted to the 204), 297 & 83 with them also trialling a MCV BZL decker. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2024 20:53:47 GMT
That time frame does rather put them out of some quite big orders. Go ahead are likely to still stick with BYDs on suitable routes (321, 333, 22, 88, 172, 188, 99, 229, 401) but both Arriva and Metroline need large amounts for the 34, 141, 243, 341, SL1 and U3, U4, 4, 90, 98 to follow on for the 206, 210, W7, W8 (not sure if an order has even been confirmed for those routes either). Is the SD version available yet for the R routes? Is there a time frame yet on a 10.3m BYD version? Only reason I ask is I look at the 22, 88 & 99 which are routes that either have confirmed restrictions to longer buses or possible restrictions - 22 between Green Park & Regent Street? 88 at Parliament Hill Fields roundabout & 99 at Slade Green? I don't think Arriva or Metroline will order BYD's if I'm being honest personally. Arriva have ordered ES's for the 64, 417, 279 plus the Croydon routes for TH since the EA's for the 319 and Metroline have ordered WDE's for the 142 (mainly diverted to the 204), 297 & 83 with them also trialling a MCV BZL decker. Go Ahead will probably want to be careful to avoid a 151 situation again and will test and test again the 22/88/99. I'd like to think Metroline and Arriva will carry on the with Electroliners. Only issue would be how many orders are being placed especially when Arriva might be adding the 41, 121, 329 aswell to a new bus order. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2024 21:01:42 GMT
Is there a time frame yet on a 10.3m BYD version? Only reason I ask is I look at the 22, 88 & 99 which are routes that either have confirmed restrictions to longer buses or possible restrictions - 22 between Green Park & Regent Street? 88 at Parliament Hill Fields roundabout & 99 at Slade Green? I don't think Arriva or Metroline will order BYD's if I'm being honest personally. Arriva have ordered ES's for the 64, 417, 279 plus the Croydon routes for TH since the EA's for the 319 and Metroline have ordered WDE's for the 142 (mainly diverted to the 204), 297 & 83 with them also trialling a MCV BZL decker. Go Ahead will probably want to be careful to avoid a 151 situation again and will test and test again the 22/88/99. I'd like to think Metroline and Arriva will carry on the with Electroliners. Only issue would be how many orders are being placed especially when Arriva might be adding the 41, 121, 329 aswell to a new bus order. I think your right on the 151 point - the 88 hopefully should be well known to Go-Ahead as rouge LT workings have to take different turnings and miss the first stop towards Clapham Common as a result. If one of Arriva or Metroline might switch to another manufacturer, I think it would be Metroline especially with the trial of the MCV BZL - they are known for their of love of Volvo products and they have a few of the single deckers both in service and on order for other routes too. I think Arriva will stick exclusively to the Electroliner (and Kites for the longer single decker routes as the 255 has been confirmed as receiving them) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 21:18:41 GMT
That time frame does rather put them out of some quite big orders. Go ahead are likely to still stick with BYDs on suitable routes (321, 333, 22, 88, 172, 188, 99, 229, 401) but both Arriva and Metroline need large amounts for the 34, 141, 243, 341, SL1 and U3, U4, 4, 90, 98 to follow on for the 206, 210, W7, W8 (not sure if an order has even been confirmed for those routes either). Is the SD version available yet for the R routes? Is there a time frame yet on a 10.3m BYD version? I believe it's not available as there are not enough seats for TfL spec, missed out by 2 (used to be 62 minimum but I think it's now 60 as the middle seat on 5 seaters at the back are removed) BYD 10.3m - 58 For comparison: Electroliner - 60 ADL E400EV - 62 BZL - 62 B5LH Gemini 3 - 62 NRM - 62 MetroDecker - 63 Streetdeck HEV - 63 ADL E400MMC (E40D) - 64 BYD 10.9m - 65 ADL E400City (E40H) - 66 ADL E400MMC (E40H) - 66 BCI Hybrid Tri-Axle (TA1) - 78 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 28, 2024 21:36:06 GMT
Go Ahead will probably want to be careful to avoid a 151 situation again and will test and test again the 22/88/99. I'd like to think Metroline and Arriva will carry on the with Electroliners. Only issue would be how many orders are being placed especially when Arriva might be adding the 41, 121, 329 aswell to a new bus order. I think your right on the 151 point - the 88 hopefully should be well known to Go-Ahead as rouge LT workings have to take different turnings and miss the first stop towards Clapham Common as a result. If one of Arriva or Metroline might switch to another manufacturer, I think it would be Metroline especially with the trial of the MCV BZL - they are known for their of love of Volvo products and they have a few of the single deckers both in service and on order for other routes too. I think Arriva will stick exclusively to the Electroliner (and Kites for the longer single decker routes as the 255 has been confirmed as receiving them) Arguably Go Ahead are the most up against it time wise with ideally everything in place for the take up of the 99, 269, 401 so if the 99 can't take BYDs then the 400EV might not be an option as an alternative. The 22 and 88 could wait and be lauch customers of it and maybe even the 151. Am I right in thinking the BZL on the 213 is potentially too long aswell. It's funny when they are only fully in service on the 417 and getting there on the 307 but already the Electroliners look and feel like the new Arriva bus and interior really suits it just as quickly as it did with the DW (1st and 2nd gen). |
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Post by M1104 on Apr 28, 2024 22:33:44 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year That time frame does rather put them out of some quite big orders. Go ahead are likely to still stick with BYDs on suitable routes (321, 333, 22, 88, 172, 188, 99, 229, 401) but both Arriva and Metroline need large amounts for the 34, 141, 243, 341, SL1 and U3, U4, 4, 90, 98 to follow on for the 206, 210, W7, W8 (not sure if an order has even been confirmed for those routes either). Is the SD version available yet for the R routes? Go Ahead could optionally continue with their relevant existing buses until those EVs are available, somewhat like they did in the late 90s waiting for B7TLs whilst firms like Metroline had changed initial orders to Tridents |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2024 23:58:33 GMT
I think your right on the 151 point - the 88 hopefully should be well known to Go-Ahead as rouge LT workings have to take different turnings and miss the first stop towards Clapham Common as a result. If one of Arriva or Metroline might switch to another manufacturer, I think it would be Metroline especially with the trial of the MCV BZL - they are known for their of love of Volvo products and they have a few of the single deckers both in service and on order for other routes too. I think Arriva will stick exclusively to the Electroliner (and Kites for the longer single decker routes as the 255 has been confirmed as receiving them) Arguably Go Ahead are the most up against it time wise with ideally everything in place for the take up of the 99, 269, 401 so if the 99 can't take BYDs then the 400EV might not be an option as an alternative. The 22 and 88 could wait and be lauch customers of it and maybe even the 151. Am I right in thinking the BZL on the 213 is potentially too long aswell. It's funny when they are only fully in service on the 417 and getting there on the 307 but already the Electroliners look and feel like the new Arriva bus and interior really suits it just as quickly as it did with the DW (1st and 2nd gen). Yeah, the BZL is the same length as the BYD examples |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 29, 2024 18:35:42 GMT
I was at ADL yesterday, and one of the reps by the new EV's who was giving out talks hinted that with TfL spec, production buses would likely be available from Q2/Q3 2025, but a demo vehicle would be available around Q3/Q4 this year I wonder if they are considering offering the E500EV to the UK market too. It'd be nice to see if TfL considered them as LT replacements. They are currently only available in 12m versions but Hong Kong will require some 11.3m too so I'd imagine that might be available in the coming years. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 14:26:10 GMT
Is there a time frame yet on a 10.3m BYD version? I believe it's not available as there are not enough seats for TfL spec, missed out by 2 (used to be 62 minimum but I think it's now 60 as the middle seat on 5 seaters at the back are removed) BYD 10.3m - 58 For comparison: Electroliner - 60 ADL E400EV - 62 BZL - 62 B5LH Gemini 3 - 62 NRM - 62 MetroDecker - 63 Streetdeck HEV - 63 ADL E400MMC (E40D) - 64 BYD 10.9m - 65 ADL E400City (E40H) - 66 ADL E400MMC (E40H) - 66 BCI Hybrid Tri-Axle (TA1) - 78 Seems to not be the case, the demo is with Uno for TfL services |
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Post by cl54 on May 10, 2024 17:15:56 GMT
ADL has announced that the 2 inward facing seats behind the driver on the 100EV are step free. They think this is an advance.
I wonder if this is a good idea with feet getting trodden on and run over with pushchairs etc.
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 10, 2024 23:12:50 GMT
The E500EV will be having its maiden revenue service with KMB in Hong Kong on Saturday just before noon. There'll no doubt be lots of videos by the local bus fans before the end of the day.
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