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Post by snowman on Nov 1, 2023 21:25:12 GMT
The E100EV looks amazing, I'm glad they have increased the headroom space in the lower deck of the E400EV. However, I presume the 11.1m length would prevent quite a few orders in London, unless the turning circle is miles better than the BYD based E400EV. I'd imagine a combined order for the S2 and 439 is on the cards. The new 400EV has peak motor output of 410kw (550 HP), so ought to be able to climb hills at reasonable speed |
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Post by snowman on Nov 1, 2023 21:31:56 GMT
The E100EV looks amazing, I'm glad they have increased the headroom space in the lower deck of the E400EV. However, I presume the 11.1m length would prevent quite a few orders in London, unless the turning circle is miles better than the BYD based E400EV. I'd imagine a combined order for the S2 and 439 is on the cards. It's just 0.2m longer than the current BYD version, and only a small number of routes so far have failed the test for those (200, 363, etc). I do wonder though why both versions of the E400EV are longer than the Streetdeck, Metrodecker etc. The spec sheet for 100EV says it is 8.5 long, 2.35m wide, 4.5m wheelbase, 3.1m high www.alexander-dennis.com/site-content/uploads/2023/10/Enviro100EV-2023-11.pdfAs the 100EV is a slim bus it is more likely to fit narrow medieval street layouts. The BYD 200EV is wider at 2.47m, taller at 3.4m Although available in 5 lengths : 9.6m, 10.2m, 10.9m, 11.6m, 12.0m www.alexander-dennis.com/site-content/uploads/2023/06/BYD-AD-Enviro200EV-2023-07.pdfThe new 400EV is even wider at 2.55m, with 5.9m wheelbase 11.1m long and 4.2 or 4.3m tall www.alexander-dennis.com/site-content/uploads/2023/10/Enviro400EV-2023-11.pdf |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 1, 2023 22:22:31 GMT
Interior layout of the E400EV looks as good as that of the E500EV -- that is, just like a standard diesel DD of the same length! All in all, very nice.
Worth noting that this is the first time it's been confirmed officially iirc that an E200EV integral was on the cards:
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Post by allentc on Nov 2, 2023 11:16:17 GMT
Nice promotional stuff by ADL, it’s the quality I’ll judge these by. I hope ADL have sorted the cacophony of creaking interior panels and moldings that particularly affects the double deck MMCs (less so the single deck). |
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Post by sp17 on Nov 2, 2023 12:56:57 GMT
Nice promotional stuff by ADL, it’s the quality I’ll judge these by. I hope ADL have sorted the cacophony of creaking interior panels and moldings that particularly affects the double deck MMCs (less so the single deck). When the MMC was launched it was done as the rattle-proof bus, but the rattles were in part replaced by creaking which i find more irritating than anything. Of course this was blighted by the Gemini 3 and it’s problems but for me ADL just aren’t there when it comes to bodywork. I’d take the Versa over an E200 any day having driven the two types, i say the Versa is a much better bus in pretty much every way. |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 2, 2023 13:52:54 GMT
Also they let slip the enviro200 EV will be ready from 2025!
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 2, 2023 13:54:53 GMT
Stagecoach has fifty-five E400 EV on order for Oxford and Transdev Blazefield has ordered nineteen for Harrogate-Leeds route 36. I wonder if any London operators may have already placed orders for the E400EV? I’m hoping and PRAYING these will be coming to the 131 next year |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 2, 2023 14:01:55 GMT
I have a strange feeling we might not see too many of these E400s in London. It’s still not known whether GAL will switch of their rigid BYDs (looking fairly unlikely despite how much I want these on the 131), RATP might do the same, hard to tell as they’ve had no new vehicle orders for quite a while now. Metroline and Arriva seem very happy with their Wrightbus vehicles, so not sure they’ll be too interested in it. Stagecoach once upon a time would have been a sure fire buyer of them, but they go for anything now and seem to prefer Volvo due to lower delivery times, they might place some sporadic orders. Abellio seem to dual source so we may see some from them though alongside Electroliners
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 2, 2023 14:59:33 GMT
I have a strange feeling we might not see too many of these E400s in London. It’s still not known whether GAL will switch of their rigid BYDs (looking fairly unlikely despite how much I want these on the 131), RATP might do the same, hard to tell as they’ve had no new vehicle orders for quite a while now. The original article posted here suggested that the front end of the new E400EV had been specifically designed to meet new TFL safety regulations - something we have also seen with other manufacturers recently. I wonder then if the current BYD/City is actually compliant - or if operators might eventually be forced to switch for the integral if wanting to order from ADL? |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 2, 2023 15:17:14 GMT
I have a strange feeling we might not see too many of these E400s in London. It’s still not known whether GAL will switch of their rigid BYDs (looking fairly unlikely despite how much I want these on the 131), RATP might do the same, hard to tell as they’ve had no new vehicle orders for quite a while now. The original article posted here suggested that the front end of the new E400EV had been specifically designed to meet new TFL safety regulations - something we have also seen with other manufacturers recently. I wonder then if the current BYD/City is actually compliant - or if operators might eventually be forced to switch for the integral if wanting to order from ADL? Hm that’s an interesting observation, it depends on the deal BYD and ADL have. If they have to collaborate for a certain amount of time despite the integral E400EV being out they’ll have to redesign the City front end if not already compliant for London, so as not to force BYD out of sales. I think it’s by 2025 all new TfL bus front ends have to be redesigned? Happy to be corrected What safety standards to the front end of TfL buses have to follow now? All I know is the Electroliner having a new redesigned end to comply, but don’t know what it has to comply with |
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Post by abellion on Nov 2, 2023 15:35:35 GMT
I wonder if any London operators may have already placed orders for the E400EV? I’m hoping and PRAYING these will be coming to the 131 next year The article says it’s 11m long so that will struggle to use Longmead Road safely, especially if it has the bad turning circle too |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 2, 2023 15:48:14 GMT
The original article posted here suggested that the front end of the new E400EV had been specifically designed to meet new TFL safety regulations - something we have also seen with other manufacturers recently. I wonder then if the current BYD/City is actually compliant - or if operators might eventually be forced to switch for the integral if wanting to order from ADL? Hm that’s an interesting observation, it depends on the deal BYD and ADL have. If they have to collaborate for a certain amount of time despite the integral E400EV being out they’ll have to redesign the City front end if not already compliant for London, so as not to force BYD out of sales. I think it’s by 2025 all new TfL bus front ends have to be redesigned? Happy to be corrected What safety standards to the front end of TfL buses have to follow now? All I know is the Electroliner having a new redesigned end to comply, but don’t know what it has to comply with I think TfL are now asking for a rounded front as the theory is in a pedestrian collision it would reduce injury by not having sharp edges. In addition the wipers have to be suspended from at the top of the window rather than the bottom. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 2, 2023 16:30:36 GMT
The original article posted here suggested that the front end of the new E400EV had been specifically designed to meet new TFL safety regulations - something we have also seen with other manufacturers recently. I wonder then if the current BYD/City is actually compliant - or if operators might eventually be forced to switch for the integral if wanting to order from ADL? Hm that’s an interesting observation, it depends on the deal BYD and ADL have. If they have to collaborate for a certain amount of time despite the integral E400EV being out they’ll have to redesign the City front end if not already compliant for London, so as not to force BYD out of sales. I think it’s by 2025 all new TfL bus front ends have to be redesigned? Happy to be corrected What safety standards to the front end of TfL buses have to follow now? All I know is the Electroliner having a new redesigned end to comply, but don’t know what it has to comply with The Enviro400 City body already has a somewhat rounded front. Any modifications needed (if any) to meet the enhanced safety standard would be cosmetic and confined to the lower front and driver's windscreen. |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 2, 2023 16:39:29 GMT
I’m hoping and PRAYING these will be coming to the 131 next year The article says it’s 11m long so that will struggle to use Longmead Road safely, especially if it has the bad turning circle too Ah I forgot about where the 131 actually stands. But surely if a E400EV will struggle then the BYD won’t be much better. Could be an interesting watch to see what happens with it then! |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 2, 2023 17:12:01 GMT
The article says it’s 11m long so that will struggle to use Longmead Road safely, especially if it has the bad turning circle too Ah I forgot about where the 131 actually stands. But surely if a E400EV will struggle then the BYD won’t be much better. Could be an interesting watch to see what happens with it then! The 333 order should be announced sooner, which uses the same stand |
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