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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 8, 2023 10:42:31 GMT
View AttachmentADL have confirmed the TfL specifications of the new E100 and E400 EV products. The TfL spec E400EV is somewhat sensibly, built to a shorter 10.5m length rather than the normal 11.1m length Also means it should fit around some routes that failed the BYD version, such as the 204 or 363? |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 8, 2023 10:49:52 GMT
The TfL spec E400EV is somewhat sensibly, built to a shorter 10.5m length rather than the normal 11.1m length Also means it should fit around some routes that failed the BYD version, such as the 204 or 363? Quite possibly |
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Post by cl54 on Dec 8, 2023 11:01:22 GMT
View AttachmentADL have confirmed the TfL specifications of the new E100 and E400 EV products. The TfL spec E400EV is somewhat sensibly, built to a shorter 10.5m length rather than the normal 11.1m length No lower deck seats forward of the staircase. This will encourage more people to stand in the area and delay boarding passengers. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 8, 2023 11:04:50 GMT
The TfL spec E400EV is somewhat sensibly, built to a shorter 10.5m length rather than the normal 11.1m length No lower deck seats forward of the staircase. This will encourage more people to stand in the area and delay boarding passengers. Same layout as the Wrightbus product and the BZLs. Don't think it's a huge issue. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 8, 2023 11:06:16 GMT
The TfL spec E400EV is somewhat sensibly, built to a shorter 10.5m length rather than the normal 11.1m length No lower deck seats forward of the staircase. This will encourage more people to stand in the area and delay boarding passengers. Looks like the same seating layout as the Streetdeck Electroliner |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 8, 2023 11:23:09 GMT
View AttachmentADL have confirmed the TfL specifications of the new E100 and E400 EV products. 17.5" wheels ... would not be looking forward to the ride quality on those! |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 11:57:48 GMT
For many years a distinctive visual feature of Hong Kong buses compared to UK ones was the lack of a lower-deck rear window (I think at that time taken up by AC equipment?) With the move to electric the UK models will no longer look that different. I wish there would be a common model with a back window, Electroliner seating layout and E400EV iBus layout. The Electroliner iBus looks a bit clunky and the lack of back window is inconvenient It is such a shame, as there was such a push after with LFDD's when they came out to ban no rear windows as per the first DLA's and TA's Arriva went as far as cutting rear windows on the lower deck. I do not understand why on the 400 city that blue light on the lower deck around a panel a TV screen was not put there and relaying the rear view camera. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 12:05:01 GMT
View AttachmentADL have confirmed the TfL specifications of the new E100 and E400 EV products. The new Mini Pointer Dart... |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 8, 2023 12:09:12 GMT
View AttachmentADL have confirmed the TfL specifications of the new E100 and E400 EV products. 17.5" wheels ... would not be looking forward to the ride quality on those! No different for many small buses of that size over the years. |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 8, 2023 12:51:16 GMT
Let's hope so, they look good. Let's hope the start of something else other then City's aswell for Go Ahead. I wonder if the 262/333/321/473 will be the first break in the chain. As well as the 333 those new specs would also be more practical (over Ees) for the 131's general maneuvering not only at the stand at Tooting Broadway but also for New Malden with those occasional curtailments. Those buses would also allow fleet flexibility with the Mes spec EV deckers on the 200, potentially then giving AL three variants of zero emission deckers. It could also allow potential odd workings on the 152 if and when that tree issue's finally sorted. |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 8, 2023 13:07:34 GMT
17.5" wheels ... would not be looking forward to the ride quality on those! No different for many small buses of that size over the years. Diesel E200s have 19.5" wheels. It is basically a 2020s breadvan and those did not offer a great ride. |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 8, 2023 13:21:40 GMT
Those buses would also allow fleet flexibility with the Mes spec EV deckers on the 200¹, potentially then giving AL three variants of zero emission deckers. Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. |
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Post by M1104 on Dec 8, 2023 14:24:17 GMT
Those buses would also allow fleet flexibility with the Mes spec EV deckers on the 200¹, potentially then giving AL three variants of zero emission deckers. Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. It 'should' theoretically be ok with the 200 as its dimensions and overhang are more or less identical to the Mes. Mind you it's unlikely those Metrodeckers will be going anywhere soon (barring substantial mechanical failures) as they are committed to the present contract, like with the non standard WSDs on the 44. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2023 14:41:57 GMT
Those buses would also allow fleet flexibility with the Mes spec EV deckers on the 200¹, potentially then giving AL three variants of zero emission deckers. Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. That would be colossal waste of money - the Metrodeckers are here to stay just like RATP will continue to operate their ones despite being having a majority ADL preference. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 8, 2023 15:51:57 GMT
Those buses would also allow fleet flexibility with the Mes spec EV deckers on the 200¹, potentially then giving AL three variants of zero emission deckers. Part of me wonders, if these buses pass a route test on the 200, would GAL potentially just order a new batch of these buses for the route and bin off the Metrodeckers. Very unlikely. However if Go Ahead do switch generally to the new integral E400EV, it would mean they wouldn't have to make exceptions like the 200 in the future. I do wonder though how TFL will address a few routes like the 240 and 291, since there may not be any electric DDs short enough at the moment. Given the 291's length, I wonder if it might be best to return to SDs again at the next retender but at a higher frequency? And TFL could consider if any minor road layout changes in the Mill Hill area could allow longer DDs on the 240? Or maybe the 10.3m BYD DD could be a solution for such routes, but would presumably have less capacity than other electric DDs? |
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