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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2023 13:02:40 GMT
SL7 drivers will sometimes divert via New Malden High Street, Coombe Lane West and Kingston Hospital when traffic is heavy on Kingston Road. Just this morning I have seen 2 towards Kingston and 1 towards Croydon. That's an interesting point there. Do you by any chance know what other routes it takes whenever there's disruptions. I took one not to long ago that diverted via Plough Lane and Stafford Road towards Croydon when Croydon Road was particularly busy. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 13:10:02 GMT
That's an interesting point there. Do you by any chance know what other routes it takes whenever there's disruptions. I took one not to long ago that diverted via Plough Lane and Stafford Road towards Croydon when Croydon Road was particularly busy. Also via Five Ways and then the 119 route in or out of Croydon occasionally, there's probably quite a few varients. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 13:10:47 GMT
For instance with the SL6 there has been some drivers that opt to go via Camberwell in order to get to Tulse Hill and then you have most of them that go through Brixton in order to get to Tulse Hill so it may depend but the tricky situation could be what if Ilford Lane and the NCR are both screwed. There could be a plan for it to go via the old 366 route when it used to go to Longbridge Road and then via the 145 through to South Park Drive and then into Ilford. I know the EL1 and 169 have done that in the past. SL7 drivers will sometimes divert via New Malden High Street, Coombe Lane West and Kingston Hospital when traffic is heavy on Kingston Road. Just this morning I have seen 2 towards Kingston and 1 towards Croydon. They need to change the Westbound stop in New Malden to the one before the fountain. Our driver had to serve the usual stop, wait about ten minutes in standstill traffic before being able to turn around using the 152 stand and head via High Street on the 213 LOR and used Gloucester Road to reconnect to Kingston Road near the Norbiton area. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2023 13:13:47 GMT
SL7 drivers will sometimes divert via New Malden High Street, Coombe Lane West and Kingston Hospital when traffic is heavy on Kingston Road. Just this morning I have seen 2 towards Kingston and 1 towards Croydon. They need to change the Westbound stop in New Malden to the one before the fountain. Our driver had to serve the usual stop, wait about ten minutes in standstill traffic before being able to turn around using the 152 stand and head via High Street on the 213 LOR and used Gloucester Road to reconnect to Kingston Road near the Norbiton area. I agree, I hate getting off at the New Malden stop, too much traffic and a lack of suitable crossing makes it dangerous. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2023 13:18:25 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 6, 2023 13:36:01 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. It’s the same with the SL8! Of course there is going to be an increase if the hours of operation increased. They take people for fools. Interestingly there was no TV coverage of the press event yesterday unless I missed it? |
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 6, 2023 13:41:57 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. It’s the same with the SL8! Of course there is going to be an increase if the hours of operation increased. They take people for fools. Interestingly there was no TV coverage of the press event yesterday unless I missed it? I don't think a couple of hours extra late at night and a few earlier buses early on Sunday mornings account for all of a 15% increase on the SL8. Also interesting to note that the SL9 even managed a small increase, even though it is essentially an unchanged route - of course, that corridor had its boost when the X140 (the prototype for Superloop if ever there was one) was created. |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 6, 2023 13:56:04 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. I'd be very surprised if the frequency is dropped to every 20 minutes throughout the day, although it probably does need to be dropped to every 20 in the late evening. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 6, 2023 14:45:37 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. I think it was mentioned before the increase that the Croydon-Kingston section was far more in need of the extra capacity than the Heathrow end. I suppose they could look at reviewing the 407's frequency if needed when it gets cut back to Croydon, while the 213 recently had a minor PVR cut at the start of the new contract? I'm not sure the SL7's increase would have had much impact though on routes west of Kingston (such as the 285), considering how few stops are served. I still think a stop near Feltham Station should have been added. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 14:52:10 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. I think it was mentioned before the increase that the Croydon-Kingston section was far more in need of the extra capacity than the Heathrow end. I suppose they could look at reviewing the 407's frequency if needed when it gets cut back to Croydon, while the 213 recently had a minor PVR cut at the start of the new contract? I'm not sure the SL7's increase would have had much impact though on routes west of Kingston (such as the 285), considering how few stops are served. I still think a stop near Feltham Station should have been added. Yes that would be possible, double deckers on the 166 went that way years ago, but I think the priorities are wrong. Any limited stop service should take the most direct route and not be rerouted around the houses to avoid low bridges. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 6, 2023 15:06:08 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. I think it was mentioned before the increase that the Croydon-Kingston section was far more in need of the extra capacity than the Heathrow end. I suppose they could look at reviewing the 407's frequency if needed when it gets cut back to Croydon, while the 213 recently had a minor PVR cut at the start of the new contract? I'm not sure the SL7's increase would have had much impact though on routes west of Kingston (such as the 285), considering how few stops are served. I still think a stop near Feltham Station should have been added. The 213 was cut to 14 during the pandemic. I’ve said multiple times that having a 15 minute frequency between Croydon and Kingston makes sense but in my experience after Kingston the route is much lighter in usage. This is TfL, I’m sure they and GAL could create a timetable that allows for 30 minutes between Croydon and Heathrow with short slotted in to create a 15 minute frequency from Croydon to Kingston. It would be much better and far more realistic for usage. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 6, 2023 15:10:50 GMT
Yes that would be possible, double deckers on the 166 went that way years ago, but I think the priorities are wrong. Any limited stop service should take the most direct route and not be rerouted around the houses to avoid low bridges. I think for a genuinely direct route, they should have investigated if the width restriction could be removed by West Wickham Station. Or, looking on Google Maps, one of the faster routes might actually be going via Addington, avoiding the traffic along Wickham Road, though TFL probably want to minimise duplicating links covered by the Trams. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 15:18:44 GMT
Yes that would be possible, double deckers on the 166 went that way years ago, but I think the priorities are wrong. Any limited stop service should take the most direct route and not be rerouted around the houses to avoid low bridges. I think for a genuinely direct route, they should have investigated if the width restriction could be removed by West Wickham Station. Or, looking on Google Maps, one of the faster routes might actually be going via Addington, avoiding the traffic along Wickham Road, though TFL probably want to minimise duplicating links covered by the Trams. I doubt if the width restriction at West Wickham would be removed. The old 726 route still seems the obvious one to me but obviously TfL won't have that because of Tramlink. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 6, 2023 15:36:31 GMT
I’d be interested to see how much parallel local routes surrounding the SL7 have decreased in usage. It’s all well and good spitting out a 60%+ rise but are these new passengers or existing ones from other services. Of course TfL will never release these figures. I still think the SL7 will go to every 20 minutes with additional peak shorts at the renewal. I’d be very surprised if it kept a 15 minute frequency. My thoughts exactly, TfL are quick to shout about an increase without mentioning any decline in use on other routes. I don't think the current service is sustainable long term and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with a half hourly service Croydon to Kingston and another half hourly service Sutton to Heathrow. |
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 6, 2023 15:43:06 GMT
I think it was mentioned before the increase that the Croydon-Kingston section was far more in need of the extra capacity than the Heathrow end. I suppose they could look at reviewing the 407's frequency if needed when it gets cut back to Croydon, while the 213 recently had a minor PVR cut at the start of the new contract? I'm not sure the SL7's increase would have had much impact though on routes west of Kingston (such as the 285), considering how few stops are served. I still think a stop near Feltham Station should have been added. The 213 was cut to 14 during the pandemic. I’ve said multiple times that having a 15 minute frequency between Croydon and Kingston makes sense but in my experience after Kingston the route is much lighter in usage. This is TfL, I’m sure they and GAL could create a timetable that allows for 30 minutes between Croydon and Heathrow with short slotted in to create a 15 minute frequency from Croydon to Kingston. It would be much better and far more realistic for usage. I would say every 30 minutes is too low for the Kingston to Heathrow section, I wonder if every 10 minutes between Croydon and Kingston and every 20 between Kingston and Heathrow would work. Alternatively just decreasing the SL7 to every 20 minutes would be fine providing the 213 is increased back to every 10 minutes (which is needed regardless of the SL7's frequency anyway). |
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