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Post by wirewiper on Dec 15, 2023 12:23:25 GMT
Hah! Wait until they find out what's in store for the SL5! The article fails to mention that later-model LTs meet the Euro6 emissions standard and that they are a stop-gap for the initial short-term contract. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 15, 2023 12:41:27 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 15, 2023 12:50:27 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” Yeah but that doesn’t make a good headline or suit the Standard’s agenda. Selective journalism at its very finest 🙄 or as I like to call it, trash journalism 😂 |
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 15, 2023 12:53:29 GMT
Evening No Standards complain about anything |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 15, 2023 12:55:27 GMT
Evening No Standards complain about anything I'm sure the Standard would complain if TfL procured new electric vehicles for such a short tender. The reply from the Mayor should just be a simple "we're introducing these vehicles on a short-term basis whilst we evaluate the route in preparation for a longer term solution." |
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 15, 2023 12:57:52 GMT
Evening No Standards complain about anything I'm sure the Standard would complain if TfL procured new electric vehicles for such a short tender. The reply from the Mayor should just be a simple "we're introducing these vehicles on a short-term basis whilst we evaluate the route in preparation for a longer term solution." Agreed. I don’t read such a Toilet Paper no wonder they give it out for free… Any vehicle is better than no bus… They must think new buses are built overnight by Fairy’s… The idiots writing it if they ever attack the SL7 they should first know the fact the vehicles on it are the same from the X26 plus 10 extra ones… |
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Post by DE20106 on Dec 15, 2023 13:09:30 GMT
I'm sure the Standard would complain if TfL procured new electric vehicles for such a short tender. The reply from the Mayor should just be a simple "we're introducing these vehicles on a short-term basis whilst we evaluate the route in preparation for a longer term solution." Agreed. I don’t read such a Toilet Paper no wonder they give it out for free… Any vehicle is better than no bus… They must think new buses are built overnight by Fairy’s… The idiots writing it if they ever attack the SL7 they should first know the fact the vehicles on it are the same from the X26 plus 10 extra ones… Not to mention there isn’t actually any electric bus that can handle the route yet 🙄 |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 15, 2023 13:34:57 GMT
I imagine newspaper journalists have access to places like this forum and pick up on posts. There are so many accounts created but never post.
I really don’t see the fuss about LTs being used personally and don’t buy into the whole not wanting to use them because of previous Mayoral policies.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 15, 2023 13:41:10 GMT
I imagine newspaper journalists have access to places like this forum and pick up on posts. There are so many accounts created but never post. I really don’t see the fuss about LTs being used personally and don’t buy into the whole not wanting to use them because of previous Mayoral policies. I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 15, 2023 13:59:00 GMT
I imagine newspaper journalists have access to places like this forum and pick up on posts. There are so many accounts created but never post. I really don’t see the fuss about LTs being used personally and don’t buy into the whole not wanting to use them because of previous Mayoral policies. I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. Surely they are no more polluting than other hybrids. I have never seen any articles where he makes any negative remarks but sure there is! I did read his threats to withdraw them if no funding agreement was made. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 15, 2023 14:46:24 GMT
I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. Surely they are no more polluting than other hybrids. I have never seen any articles where he makes any negative remarks but sure there is! I did read his threats to withdraw them if no funding agreement was made. The article itself seems to clearly state that his comments were a justification to not purchase any further LTs… since they are already there may as well use them. They would write a different article if the LTs were retired early complaining about how perfectly usable buses are being mothballed. Can’t win sometimes. Out of the times to criticise TfL and the Mayor this is really not a strong one. |
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Post by mark on Dec 15, 2023 16:06:36 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 15, 2023 16:13:57 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. Happy to eat my words but I suspect the SL7 will be using EVs within 12 months of a April 2025 contract commencement. The new E400EV with an advertised 260 mile range will be starting delivery by then and also includes the option of OppCharge. |
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Post by mark on Dec 15, 2023 16:22:31 GMT
Happy to eat my words but I suspect the SL7 will be using EVs within 12 months of a April 2025 contract commencement. The new E400EV with an advertised 260 mile range will be starting delivery by then and also includes the option of OppCharge. You will almost certainly be proved right. Speaking to someone from one of the major manufacturers recently I was told that they think opp charging has had its day as improvements in battery density will render it in-necessary. As it is the Electroliner could accommodate additional batteries (although it would breach the permissible axle weight!) |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 15, 2023 16:34:24 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. |
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