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Post by mark on Dec 15, 2023 17:31:20 GMT
There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. In fairness to TfL it does make sense to award short-term contracts, using existing vehicles, for the Superloop initially. This will allow actual demand to be assessed before committing too much resource. It also means the whole enterprise can be stood up far quicker…just think routes 235 and 358…. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2023 18:33:11 GMT
There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. But there is also no reason why TfL couldn’t utilise pantograph charging for the SL7 if the 358 trial is also a success. Rapid charging could be an easy solution if dedicated Croydon and Heathrow bays were allocated to the route. |
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Post by yunus on Dec 15, 2023 18:43:48 GMT
There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. Sorry to be blunt but Caroline Pidgeon is just using this situation to boost up her reputation. Another opportunity! EVs are certainly not green as claimed neither are HEVs! Diesel all the way! |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 15, 2023 19:02:46 GMT
Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. Sorry to be blunt but Caroline Pidgeon is just using this situation to boost up her reputation. Another opportunity! EVs are certainly not green as claimed neither are HEVs! Diesel all the way! She's doing what anybody in her position should be doing, voicing her concerns. |
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Post by busoccultation on Dec 15, 2023 19:07:57 GMT
I don’t write for the Evening Standard in case anyone thinks I do 😂 but like I said before, it surprised me they were using LT’s on the Mayor’s Superloop flagship policy. The article though has issues - as wirewiper points out, the SL5 will join the SL7 in using diesel’s and Caroline Pidgeon seems to have not been informed at the very least about the inability of the SL7 to use electrics currently given here “all Superloop routes should start off with electrics” There is no reason why the SL7 cannot use battery-electric buses now BUT it would require an uplift in the TVR to accommodate the need to charge vehicles during the day. Existing BEVs should be able to manage around 160 miles and the SL7 is about 24 miles. So, with a bit of contingency, a bus should be able to manage three round trips on a single charge. The TfL/City Hall responses to the article in the “Evening Lebedev” do show how they need to get on the front foot when dealing with stories like this. National Express have started using electrics on their X1 route between Birmingham & Coventry that is also around a similar length to the SL7 in terms of distance, which they use a fleet a large fleet BYD E400EV's from Coventry depot since the X1 moved from West Midlands Birmingham Central depot in October.
But that said NXC do sub on and off electrics on the X1 during the day to charge the buses and it is quite common for them to put the electrics on the local Coventry routes after they did few trips on the X1 to Birmingham and back.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 15, 2023 19:36:50 GMT
Sorry to be blunt but Caroline Pidgeon is just using this situation to boost up her reputation. Another opportunity! EVs are certainly not green as claimed neither are HEVs! Diesel all the way! She's doing what anybody in her position should be doing, voicing her concerns. Exactly, she is retiring in May so has nothing personal to gain. Of course it’s going to get rough in the run up to the Mayoral election in May 2023. To get any media interest at all, especially if you represent one of the smaller parties you have to say something punchy, otherwise they will just ignore you. |
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Post by london23 on Dec 15, 2023 23:37:06 GMT
Is there any chance of the SL3 stopping in Hurst Road for Hurstmere School, Hurst School and Old Bexley School.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2023 23:45:40 GMT
Ok who leaked that info to the Standard, come on 'fess up' |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2023 23:48:56 GMT
Agreed. I don’t read such a Toilet Paper no wonder they give it out for free… Any vehicle is better than no bus… They must think new buses are built overnight by Fairy’s… The idiots writing it if they ever attack the SL7 they should first know the fact the vehicles on it are the same from the X26 plus 10 extra ones… Not to mention there isn’t actually any electric bus that can handle the route yet 🙄 They can handle the route, just not all day long (all together now) The wheels on the bus go round and round ... |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2023 23:50:58 GMT
Surely they are no more polluting than other hybrids. I have never seen any articles where he makes any negative remarks but sure there is! I did read his threats to withdraw them if no funding agreement was made. The article itself seems to clearly state that his comments were a justification to not purchase any further LTs… since they are already there may as well use them. They would write a different article if the LTs were retired early complaining about how perfectly usable buses are being mothballed. Can’t win sometimes. Out of the times to criticise TfL and the Mayor this is really not a strong one. There never would in your books, neither party could do no wrong. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 16, 2023 5:57:07 GMT
I imagine newspaper journalists have access to places like this forum and pick up on posts. There are so many accounts created but never post. I really don’t see the fuss about LTs being used personally and don’t buy into the whole not wanting to use them because of previous Mayoral policies. I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. As it is, half of route SL3 will go through Tory-leaning areas who may want to indulge in some point-scoring about it using "Borismasters". |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 16, 2023 6:00:12 GMT
Does anyone have an idea of the net increase in vehicles needed as a result of the introduction of Superloop?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2023 6:59:54 GMT
Does anyone have an idea of the net increase in vehicles needed as a result of the introduction of Superloop? In terms of PVR it's 65 + SL4. For spares add roughly 20% but in some cases higher. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 16, 2023 7:22:20 GMT
Does anyone have an idea of the net increase in vehicles needed as a result of the introduction of Superloop? In terms of PVR it's 65 + SL4. For spares add roughly 20% but in some cases higher. Thank you for letting me know. I have noticed how it is usually vehicles taken from parallel routes or mid-life spares being kept on that are being used at least initially. |
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Post by borneobus on Dec 16, 2023 8:26:57 GMT
I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. As it is, half of route SL3 will go through Tory-leaning areas who may want to indulge in some point-scoring about it using "Borismasters". Being pedantic I think 75% Bromley and Chislehurst CON Old Bexley and Sidcup CON Bexleyheath and Crayford CON Erith and Thamesmead LAB |
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