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Post by mark on Dec 16, 2023 8:28:54 GMT
Exactly, I've said that before that there's no reason why EV's can't be used on the SL7/X26, with an increased TVR as you mentioned, and Caroline Pidgeon is quite right to question why EV's aren't being used throughout on Superloop. But there is also no reason why TfL couldn’t utilise pantograph charging for the SL7 if the 358 trial is also a success. Rapid charging could be an easy solution if dedicated Croydon and Heathrow bays were allocated to the route. Why go to the trouble and expense of installing opp charging if it’s not needed? There are also operational constraints if buses have to use the same bay at the CBS. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Dec 16, 2023 8:36:15 GMT
As it is, half of route SL3 will go through Tory-leaning areas who may want to indulge in some point-scoring about it using "Borismasters". Being pedantic I think 75% Bromley and Chislehurst CON Old Bexley and Sidcup CON Bexleyheath and Crayford CON Erith and Thamesmead LAB Fair comment. I think I was allowing for when Bexleyheath was Labour during the Labour landslides, and anticipating it will be Labour again by this time next year.  Oh, and of course Tory Bromley love kicking up a fuss against London Labour.  |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 16, 2023 8:38:01 GMT
As it is, half of route SL3 will go through Tory-leaning areas who may want to indulge in some point-scoring about it using "Borismasters". Being pedantic I think 75% Bromley and Chislehurst CON Old Bexley and Sidcup CON Bexleyheath and Crayford CON Erith and Thamesmead LAB To be even more pedantic, depending when the election is (if it is May as seems likely) most of the SL3s contract lifespan will actually entail it serving 5 constituencies, 80% of which are notionally Tory! As all of the parliamentary boundaries are being redrawn for the 2024 election with London going from 73 to 75 MPs. Bromley & Biggin Hill (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Eltham & Chislehurst (notionally marginal Tory in 2019) Old Bexley & Sidcup (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Bexleyheath & Crayford (notionally safe Tory in 2019) Erith & Thamesmead (notionally safe Labour in 2019) The SL4 and SL9 are therefore atm the only Superloop routes not to run through any Tory constituencies on paper. Every other runs through at least 1, or in the case of the SL3,7 & 10, up to 3. SL1 - Finchley & Golders Green SL2 - Chingford & Woodford Green SL3 - Bromley & Chislehurst, Old Bexley & Sidcup, Bexleyheath & Crayford SL5 - Beckenham, Bromley & Chislehurst SL6 - Cities of London & Westminster SL7 - Croydon South, Carshalton & Wallington, Sutton & Cheam SL8 - Uxbridge & South Ruislip SL10 - Harrow East, Hendon, Finchley & Golders Green |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 9:39:38 GMT
But there is also no reason why TfL couldn’t utilise pantograph charging for the SL7 if the 358 trial is also a success. Rapid charging could be an easy solution if dedicated Croydon and Heathrow bays were allocated to the route. Why go to the trouble and expense of installing opp charging if it’s not needed? There are also operational constraints if buses have to use the same bay at the CBS. You could ask that question about the 358 although opportunity charging seems to work well elsewhere. |
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Post by TB123 on Dec 16, 2023 10:06:37 GMT
Why go to the trouble and expense of installing opp charging if it’s not needed? There are also operational constraints if buses have to use the same bay at the CBS. You could ask that question about the 358. Opportunity charging seems to work well elsewhere. Where? the only real deployment so far in the UK is Harrogate. It's noticeable they are moving to mostly standard overnight charging for their next intake of electric buses (Citaros) for the town network, though the 36 route (longer than SL7) will still have OppCharge buses on it's new E400EVs. The jury is out thus far. |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 10:24:05 GMT
You could ask that question about the 358. Opportunity charging seems to work well elsewhere. Where? the only real deployment so far in the UK is Harrogate. It's noticeable they are moving to mostly standard overnight charging for their next intake of electric buses (Citaros) for the town network, though the 36 route (longer than SL7) will still have OppCharge buses on it's new E400EVs. The jury is out thus far. Elsewhere in Europe if not in this country although I agree that the jury is out long term. |
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Post by mark on Dec 16, 2023 12:18:56 GMT
Where? the only real deployment so far in the UK is Harrogate. It's noticeable they are moving to mostly standard overnight charging for their next intake of electric buses (Citaros) for the town network, though the 36 route (longer than SL7) will still have OppCharge buses on it's new E400EVs. The jury is out thus far. Elsewhere in Europe if not in this country although I agree that the jury is out long term. OPP charging has rather had its day, thanks to improved battery density. The 358 “trial” will go ahead largely as it’s now beyond the point of no return. In addition to the Harrogate buses there are also opp charge Volvo 7900e in Kilmarnock and Birmingham Airport. |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2023 13:05:04 GMT
Elsewhere in Europe if not in this country although I agree that the jury is out long term. OPP charging has rather had its day, thanks to improved battery density. The 358 “trial” will go ahead largely as it’s now beyond the point of no return. In addition to the Harrogate buses there are also opp charge Volvo 7900e in Kilmarnock and Birmingham Airport. Surely less batteries is a plus in economic and environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 16, 2023 13:12:56 GMT
OPP charging has rather had its day, thanks to improved battery density. The 358 “trial” will go ahead largely as it’s now beyond the point of no return. In addition to the Harrogate buses there are also opp charge Volvo 7900e in Kilmarnock and Birmingham Airport. Surely less batteries is a plus in economic an environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! This really should be applied to more situations, it should not be taking nearly a year to get a garage ready for electrics. The 86 was awarded in November 2022, December 2023 the garage still isn't ready. It's quite pathetic it takes this long to get anything done in this country and shows why we are falling behind very quickly in terms of infrastructure. |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2023 13:27:09 GMT
Surely less batteries is a plus in economic an environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! This really should be applied to more situations, it should not be taking nearly a year to get a garage ready for electrics. The 86 was awarded in November 2022, December 2023 the garage still isn't ready. It's quite pathetic it takes this long to get anything done in this country and shows why we are falling behind very quickly in terms of infrastructure. Agree with you. There should be some kind of enquiry as to how infrastructure is delivered in this country. It is all very well saying all these nice "words" at COP conventions if you country lacks the basic ability to get things done. The electricity infrastructure owners need to be set environmental targets to ensure things are achieved in a timely manner. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 16, 2023 13:40:50 GMT
OPP charging has rather had its day, thanks to improved battery density. The 358 “trial” will go ahead largely as it’s now beyond the point of no return. In addition to the Harrogate buses there are also opp charge Volvo 7900e in Kilmarnock and Birmingham Airport. Surely less batteries is a plus in economic and environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! The charging points are already installed, the problem is specifically at Orpington and presumably to do with connecting to the grid? I believe the Palace one has been tested but not 100% sure |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2023 14:08:41 GMT
Surely less batteries is a plus in economic and environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! The charging points are already installed, the problem is specifically at Orpington and presumably to do with connecting to the grid? I believe the Palace one has been tested but not 100% sure The installing process for the charging points goes right up until commissioning. Whatever the hold up, whoever is to blame, the length of the time taken is a joke for something that is not a complex construction. The delays seems to be down to process which is unacceptable, when we have bodies greenwash preaching to the common man. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 16, 2023 15:58:26 GMT
The charging points are already installed, the problem is specifically at Orpington and presumably to do with connecting to the grid? I believe the Palace one has been tested but not 100% sure The installing process for the charging points goes right up until commissioning. Whatever the hold up, whoever is to blame, the length of the time taken is a joke for something that is not a complex construction. The delays seems to be down to process which is unacceptable, when we have bodies greenwash preaching to the common man. Never said it didn’t go up to commission or made any comment on length of time or agreed/disagreed with anything regarding the process - I was simply saying where I understand it’s currently at |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 19:55:34 GMT
OPP charging has rather had its day, thanks to improved battery density. The 358 “trial” will go ahead largely as it’s now beyond the point of no return. In addition to the Harrogate buses there are also opp charge Volvo 7900e in Kilmarnock and Birmingham Airport. Surely less batteries is a plus in economic and environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! I would have thought opportunity charging still has its merits despite the 358 debacle. Apparently the problem is something to do with Network Rail at Orpington, I don't know if anybody has anymore details? Couldn't the Crystal Palace one be used and at least some of 'trams' be put into service maybe on the 227 rather than the 358? |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2023 20:16:52 GMT
Surely less batteries is a plus in economic and environmental concerns whatever their density? The problem with opportunity charging is just like anything else in this country, actually getting things done and installing charging points. The 358 examples are a joke. Why can't this be a maximum 6 months process to get them live, installed and working? Defunct Britain! I would have thought opportunity charging still has its merits despite the 358 debacle. Apparently the problem is something to do with Network Rail at Orpington, I don't know if anybody has anymore details? Couldn't the Crystal Palace one be used and at least some of 'trams' be put into service maybe on the 227 rather than the 358? The stupid thing is we are installing a single charger at Crystal Palace. Bit of foresight for future use would have been easier to install multiple chargers looking how long and expensive the process must be to install a single example. All new bus stations such comd with multiple charging locations. Not convinced how it would work on one route compared to another if it does not work on one with just a single terminal charging point. What is the logic behind the belief the 227 will work and not the 358? |
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