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Post by greenboy on Dec 16, 2023 20:38:37 GMT
I would have thought opportunity charging still has its merits despite the 358 debacle. Apparently the problem is something to do with Network Rail at Orpington, I don't know if anybody has anymore details? Couldn't the Crystal Palace one be used and at least some of 'trams' be put into service maybe on the 227 rather than the 358? The stupid thing is we are installing a single charger at Crystal Palace. Bit of foresight for future use would have been easier to install multiple chargers looking how long and expensive the process must be to install a single example. All new bus stations such comd with multiple charging locations. Not convinced how it would work on one route compared to another if it does not work on one with just a single terminal charging point. What is the logic behind the belief the 227 will work and not the 358? Just the fact that the 227 is a shorter route so presumably would be able to manage with one charger? That said there may be other factors involved that I'm not aware of. Aren't the buses on the Fastrack contract going to be using opportunity charging? |
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2023 21:04:52 GMT
The stupid thing is we are installing a single charger at Crystal Palace. Bit of foresight for future use would have been easier to install multiple chargers looking how long and expensive the process must be to install a single example. All new bus stations such comd with multiple charging locations. Not convinced how it would work on one route compared to another if it does not work on one with just a single terminal charging point. What is the logic behind the belief the 227 will work and not the 358? Just the fact that the 227 is a shorter route so presumably would be able to manage with one charger? That said there may be other factors involved that I'm not aware of. Aren't the buses on the Fastrack contract going to be using opportunity charging? Quick one for the bus drivers. Are stand times proportionate to running time, IE if your journey takes 90 minutes, would you expect to get 50% more stand time than if it took 60 minutes? |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Dec 17, 2023 0:19:42 GMT
The article itself seems to clearly state that his comments were a justification to not purchase any further LTs… since they are already there may as well use them. They would write a different article if the LTs were retired early complaining about how perfectly usable buses are being mothballed. Can’t win sometimes. Out of the times to criticise TfL and the Mayor this is really not a strong one. There never would in your books, neither party could do no wrong. You confuse 'never' with being reasonable. I think busman essentially summed it up well in a post a few pages back. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 17, 2023 9:51:41 GMT
This really should be applied to more situations, it should not be taking nearly a year to get a garage ready for electrics. The 86 was awarded in November 2022, December 2023 the garage still isn't ready. It's quite pathetic it takes this long to get anything done in this country and shows why we are falling behind very quickly in terms of infrastructure. Agree with you. There should be some kind of enquiry as to how infrastructure is delivered in this country. It is all very well saying all these nice "words" at COP conventions if you country lacks the basic ability to get things done. The electricity infrastructure owners need to be set environmental targets to ensure things are achieved in a timely manner. Unfortunately, inquiries are another thing you can put under 'things that are not done quickly or at all'. |
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Post by cl54 on Dec 17, 2023 10:10:41 GMT
I imagine newspaper journalists have access to places like this forum and pick up on posts. There are so many accounts created but never post. I really don’t see the fuss about LTs being used personally and don’t buy into the whole not wanting to use them because of previous Mayoral policies. I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. Evidence of that statement? They are hybrids with engines that meet the latest requirements to run in London. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 17, 2023 14:40:37 GMT
I think the problem is the Mayor has previously described LTs as dirty polluting vehicles and opponents are using his own words to attacks him. Evidence of that statement? They are hybrids with engines that meet the latest requirements to run in London. The mayor said words of similar effect in his first turn in office. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 17, 2023 14:48:56 GMT
The new bus stops on the A1020 at Gallions Reach have been installed ready for the SL2.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 17, 2023 17:00:03 GMT
Evidence of that statement? They are hybrids with engines that meet the latest requirements to run in London. The mayor said words of similar effect in his first turn in office. Which just goes to show how he really doesn’t have a clue or really take a proper interest in buses. He made a gaff on TV last week saying the Bakerloo line stock was 40 years old. |
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Post by busman on Dec 17, 2023 19:19:16 GMT
There never would in your books, neither party could do no wrong. You confuse 'never' with being reasonable. I think busman essentially summed it up well in a post a few pages back. Being reasonable is out of fashion in the UK. You either have to love reds & hate blues OR you love blues & hate reds. The UK is becoming far too polarised, like the US Khan in my opinion has been a poor mayor. Livingstone and Johnson could both at least point to a positive aspect of their legacy. Khan? Absolutely nothing. Apart from Superloop. This may actually be the one thing he has implemented that I agree with. Everything else from his virtue signalling that marked the start of his reign through to his stupid 20mph everywhere rules and LTNs…disaster. His soft approach to policing leaves a lot to be desired too. But some of the blame for poor policing has to go to the higher-ups too… At a national level, the Tories have absolutely screwed this country. Thirteen years of power and what have we got to show for it? The country has regressed in every aspect. I’m actually leaving with my family next year. I’ve had enough of this place. I didn’t vote for any of these jokers. Politicians, their foreign country paymasters, and their spin doctors are laughing at us. We’re out of here…but not before riding the SL3 😉 |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 17, 2023 20:11:42 GMT
Evidence of that statement? They are hybrids with engines that meet the latest requirements to run in London. The mayor said words of similar effect in his first turn in office. Found this rather flimsy statement on the Evening Standard website.
In 2016, a spokesperson for Mr Khan said: “Sadiq will not be making any further purchases of the New Routemasters.
"Londoners deserve a bus fleet that is greener, more affordable and more functional than these vanity buses.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 17, 2023 20:52:42 GMT
The mayor said words of similar effect in his first turn in office. Found this rather flimsy statement on the Evening Standard website. In 2016, a spokesperson for Mr Khan said: “Sadiq will not be making any further purchases of the New Routemasters.
"Londoners deserve a bus fleet that is greener, more affordable and more functional than these vanity buses.
LTs are one thing I do agree with Khan on. It was right not to order anymore due to the longer length and less capacity, the removal of the open platform and open boarding meant the 3 doors and 2 staircases lost its purpose a bit. That said I do agree with his decision to keep using them to till the end of their natural life's. In fact I think some contracts should have been for fixed 7 years personally and get them to 14 years old on routes like the 149, 159. |
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Post by WH241 on Dec 17, 2023 22:27:23 GMT
Found this rather flimsy statement on the Evening Standard website. In 2016, a spokesperson for Mr Khan said: “Sadiq will not be making any further purchases of the New Routemasters.
"Londoners deserve a bus fleet that is greener, more affordable and more functional than these vanity buses.
LTs are one thing I do agree with Khan on. It was right not to order anymore due to the longer length and less capacity, the removal of the open platform and open boarding meant the 3 doors and 2 staircases lost its purpose a bit. That said I do agree with his decision to keep using them to till the end of their natural life's. In fact I think some contracts should have been for fixed 7 years personally and get them to 14 years old on routes like the 149, 159. LTs are not ideal but my post was more about the fact they are no different to other hybrids in terms environmental impact. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 17, 2023 23:36:19 GMT
LTs are one thing I do agree with Khan on. It was right not to order anymore due to the longer length and less capacity, the removal of the open platform and open boarding meant the 3 doors and 2 staircases lost its purpose a bit. That said I do agree with his decision to keep using them to till the end of their natural life's. In fact I think some contracts should have been for fixed 7 years personally and get them to 14 years old on routes like the 149, 159. LTs are not ideal but my post was more about the fact they are no different to other hybrids in terms environmental impact. I think they actually were at the time, many were found to be running in full diesel mode at the time and not storing and using electricity, effectively making them diesels which is worse than your standard Hybrid. I'd hope many since then have been fixed. |
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 18, 2023 0:30:32 GMT
Being reasonable is out of fashion in the UK. You either have to love reds & hate blues OR you love blues & hate reds. The UK is becoming far too polarised, like the US Khan in my opinion has been a poor mayor. Livingstone and Johnson could both at least point to a positive aspect of their legacy. Khan? Absolutely nothing. Apart from Superloop. This may actually be the one thing he has implemented that I agree with. Everything else from his virtue signalling that marked the start of his reign through to his stupid 20mph everywhere rules and LTNs…disaster. His soft approach to policing leaves a lot to be desired too. But some of the blame for poor policing has to go to the higher-ups too… At a national level, the Tories have absolutely screwed this country. Thirteen years of power and what have we got to show for it? The country has regressed in every aspect. I’m actually leaving with my family next year. I’ve had enough of this place. I didn’t vote for any of these jokers. Politicians, their foreign country paymasters, and their spin doctors are laughing at us. We’re out of here…but not before riding the SL3 😉 My exact thoughts on politics also , except I've come to the realisation that red or blue they are all full of poo 😂 but absolutely bang on statement . As for the LTs I they should be kept on until at least 2062 like the RMs were 😉 I wasn't but I am a big fan now love the uniqueness and they don't half pull off very quick if you get a heavy footed decent driver and are now like a London Icon I guess , and the problem with the 358 and opportunity charging this problem is going to occur in lots and lots of places in the future , just think how many bus terminals there are in London alone , how will this work with all different routes plus running late due to traffic etc ? And for major transport , are all warehouse hubs going to have charging facilities for lorries to sit for 8 hours to get a full charge ? Hybrid is the way forward for commercial vehicles at the moment anyway I think . |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 18, 2023 5:03:32 GMT
Being reasonable is out of fashion in the UK. You either have to love reds & hate blues OR you love blues & hate reds. The UK is becoming far too polarised, like the US Khan in my opinion has been a poor mayor. Livingstone and Johnson could both at least point to a positive aspect of their legacy. Khan? Absolutely nothing. Apart from Superloop. This may actually be the one thing he has implemented that I agree with. Everything else from his virtue signalling that marked the start of his reign through to his stupid 20mph everywhere rules and LTNs…disaster. His soft approach to policing leaves a lot to be desired too. But some of the blame for poor policing has to go to the higher-ups too… At a national level, the Tories have absolutely screwed this country. Thirteen years of power and what have we got to show for it? The country has regressed in every aspect. I’m actually leaving with my family next year. I’ve had enough of this place. I didn’t vote for any of these jokers. Politicians, their foreign country paymasters, and their spin doctors are laughing at us. We’re out of here…but not before riding the SL3 😉 My exact thoughts on politics also , except I've come to the realisation that red or blue they are all full of poo 😂 but absolutely bang on statement . As for the LTs I they should be kept on until at least 2062 like the RMs were 😉 I wasn't but I am a big fan now love the uniqueness and they don't half pull off very quick if you get a heavy footed decent driver and are now like a London Icon I guess , and the problem with the 358 and opportunity charging this problem is going to occur in lots and lots of places in the future , just think how many bus terminals there are in London alone , how will this work with all different routes plus running late due to traffic etc ? And for major transport , are all warehouse hubs going to have charging facilities for lorries to sit for 8 hours to get a full charge ? Hybrid is the way forward for commercial vehicles at the moment anyway I think . They would simply last nowhere near 2062 as they aren't built like the RM's. Once their current contract finish on most of the LT routes, I'll be looking forward to whatever replaces them, providing the mayor at that point doesn't get any ideas to build his/her own bus. |
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