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Post by buspete on Jan 11, 2024 11:15:03 GMT
Are we certain on the 24th February start date? The linked Evening Standard article says April, what one is correct? Given the reliability of newspapers in general, I know which one I'd go with personally - can't see any reason to delay SL3 till April when all the rest have or will be implemented between November 23 (SL10 & SL1) & March 24 (SL2, SL3 & SL5) Given the reliability of newspapers in general, I know which one I'd go with personally - can't see any reason to delay SL3 till April when all the rest have or will be implemented between November 23 (SL10 & SL1) & March 24 (SL2, SL3 & SL5) Given the politicised nature of the Superloop it would be unlikely for any new routes to be introduced during the pre-election Purdah period. Oh, and contracts with a commencement date have been signed. Oh thanks, just wondering if there is anything official? I agree with both posts on social media and newspapers can be misleading, in fact I am at this moment looking at an article in the Daily Mail about a pilot ‘kidnapped and tortured’ in South Africa, however the photograph accompanying the article is of a A320, which to my knowledge has never flown London to Johannesburg. Makes sense not to introduce the new route during purdah and introduce this before the Mayor election, as to give the Mayor a best chance in the election, so therefore the February date on here seems more feasible. However it would be great to see this date as official. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 11, 2024 12:46:34 GMT
Given the reliability of newspapers in general, I know which one I'd go with personally - can't see any reason to delay SL3 till April when all the rest have or will be implemented between November 23 (SL10 & SL1) & March 24 (SL2, SL3 & SL5) Given the politicised nature of the Superloop it would be unlikely for any new routes to be introduced during the pre-election Purdah period. Oh, and contracts with a commencement date have been signed. Oh thanks, just wondering if there is anything official? I agree with both posts on social media and newspapers can be misleading, in fact I am at this moment looking at an article in the Daily Mail about a pilot ‘kidnapped and tortured’ in South Africa, however the photograph accompanying the article is of a A320, which to my knowledge has never flown London to Johannesburg. Makes sense not to introduce the new route during purdah and introduce this before the Mayor election, as to give the Mayor a best chance in the election, so therefore the February date on here seems more feasible. However it would be great to see this date as official. Purdah I believe begins on 19th March, so that should mean all the SL routes are up and running in time. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jan 11, 2024 12:55:54 GMT
Oh thanks, just wondering if there is anything official? I agree with both posts on social media and newspapers can be misleading, in fact I am at this moment looking at an article in the Daily Mail about a pilot ‘kidnapped and tortured’ in South Africa, however the photograph accompanying the article is of a A320, which to my knowledge has never flown London to Johannesburg. Makes sense not to introduce the new route during purdah and introduce this before the Mayor election, as to give the Mayor a best chance in the election, so therefore the February date on here seems more feasible. However it would be great to see this date as official. Purdah I believe begins on 19th March, so that should mean all the SL routes are up and running in time. I was wondering when Purdah was, and how that will affect tenders in general, there are so many that are so far behind now and a period where tenders can’t be issued is going to hugely exacerbate that |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jan 11, 2024 13:32:12 GMT
Purdah I believe begins on 19th March, so that should mean all the SL routes are up and running in time. I was wondering when Purdah was, and how that will affect tenders in general, there are so many that are so far behind now and a period where tenders can’t be issued is going to hugely exacerbate that There have been results issued during a purdah period before. But they tend to be routes with no changes like frequency or PVR reductions which are few and far between these days. Given everything is going electric now I’d expect even less announcements as a route going electric could easily be used by the mayor and a local council to boost their green credentials |
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Post by mark on Jan 11, 2024 16:28:25 GMT
I was wondering when Purdah was, and how that will affect tenders in general, there are so many that are so far behind now and a period where tenders can’t be issued is going to hugely exacerbate that There have been results issued during a purdah period before. But they tend to be routes with no changes like frequency or PVR reductions which are few and far between these days. Given everything is going electric now I’d expect even less announcements as a route going electric could easily be used by the mayor and a local council to boost their green credentials Business as usual announcements are fine (such as new tender awards) but as the Superloop is very much one of the mayor’s policies it probably falls foul of the guidance. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 11, 2024 17:33:01 GMT
There have been results issued during a purdah period before. But they tend to be routes with no changes like frequency or PVR reductions which are few and far between these days. Given everything is going electric now I’d expect even less announcements as a route going electric could easily be used by the mayor and a local council to boost their green credentials Business as usual announcements are fine (such as new tender awards) but as the Superloop is very much one of the mayor’s policies it probably falls foul of the guidance. I don't think Purdah is a factor here, I think TfL wants to have the services up and running by the end of the current Financial Year on 31st March. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2024 9:47:46 GMT
Purdah I believe begins on 19th March, so that should mean all the SL routes are up and running in time. I was wondering when Purdah was, and how that will affect tenders in general, there are so many that are so far behind now and a period where tenders can’t be issued is going to hugely exacerbate that Purdah is a big scary monster   |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 12, 2024 10:13:53 GMT
The first route SL5's (3rd February) if anyone is interested on getting the first one are TC101 – Bromley north stn departing 05:00 TC103 - Croydon ‘fairfeild halls’ departing 05:00 Do we know what the running times are like for these journeys? First journeys Bromley to Croydon 21 minutes and Croydon to Bromley 22 minutes AM peak 48 mins Bromley to Croydon, PM peak 43 mins AM peak 52 mins Croydon to Bromley, PM peak 48 mins |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 12, 2024 10:20:17 GMT
Do we know what the running times are like for these journeys? First journeys Bromley to Croydon 21 minutes and Croydon to Bromley 22 minutes AM peak 48 mins Bromley to Croydon, PM peak 43 mins AM peak 52 mins Croydon to Bromley, PM peak 48 mins Thanks for sharing...very little difference there on the peak trips between the 119 and SL5 which is curious if somewhat disappointing. Those early morning trips sound like they'll be quite spirited - that will require an average speed along the way of about 20/25 mph including bus stops! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 12, 2024 10:27:55 GMT
First journeys Bromley to Croydon 21 minutes and Croydon to Bromley 22 minutes AM peak 48 mins Bromley to Croydon, PM peak 43 mins AM peak 52 mins Croydon to Bromley, PM peak 48 mins Thanks for sharing...very little difference there on the peak trips between the 119 and SL5 which is curious if somewhat disappointing. Those early morning trips sound like they'll be quite spirited - that will require an average speed along the way of about 20/25 mph including bus stops! And £4m a year to run with tatty old SDs to achieve a slightly quicker journey time. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 12, 2024 10:37:12 GMT
Thanks for sharing...very little difference there on the peak trips between the 119 and SL5 which is curious if somewhat disappointing. Those early morning trips sound like they'll be quite spirited - that will require an average speed along the way of about 20/25 mph including bus stops! And £4m a year to run with tatty old SDs to achieve a slightly quicker journey time. This is what I keep saying about the whole superloop thing! Having the name super won’t suddenly make buses quicker. They need more dedicated bus lane and less obstacles like wide cycle lane that take up more road space and cause congestion. As for the tatty buses can we at least give Arriva chance? We don’t even know for sure what buses are being used yet. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 12, 2024 10:38:42 GMT
First journeys Bromley to Croydon 21 minutes and Croydon to Bromley 22 minutes AM peak 48 mins Bromley to Croydon, PM peak 43 mins AM peak 52 mins Croydon to Bromley, PM peak 48 mins Thanks for sharing...very little difference there on the peak trips between the 119 and SL5 which is curious if somewhat disappointing. Those early morning trips sound like they'll be quite spirited - that will require an average speed along the way of about 20/25 mph including bus stops! The peak times do seem surprisingly long. I would be interested to know the typical off-peak journey time and whether it can be done in 30 minutes. It might be possible to claim "Croydon to Bromley in under 30 minutes" cheekily if 'Croydon' is taken as East Croydon Station and 'Bromley' as Bromley South Station (cynical - moi?) Also whether the SL5 is perceived to be faster because of the long distances between stops - perceptions of time can count as much as measured time. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 12, 2024 14:20:39 GMT
Thanks for sharing...very little difference there on the peak trips between the 119 and SL5 which is curious if somewhat disappointing. Those early morning trips sound like they'll be quite spirited - that will require an average speed along the way of about 20/25 mph including bus stops! The peak times do seem surprisingly long. I would be interested to know the typical off-peak journey time and whether it can be done in 30 minutes. It might be possible to claim "Croydon to Bromley in under 30 minutes" cheekily if 'Croydon' is taken as East Croydon Station and 'Bromley' as Bromley South Station (cynical - moi?) Also whether the SL5 is perceived to be faster because of the long distances between stops - perceptions of time can count as much as measured time. Even if that was achievable the 119 does East Croydon to Bromley South in 39 minutes off peak. In practice I think it's unlikely that the SL5 will be much quicker. |
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Post by greenboy on Jan 12, 2024 14:36:42 GMT
And £4m a year to run with tatty old SDs to achieve a slightly quicker journey time. This is what I keep saying about the whole superloop thing! Having the name super won’t suddenly make buses quicker. They need more dedicated bus lane and less obstacles like wide cycle lane that take up more road space and cause congestion. As for the tatty buses can we at least give Arriva chance? We don’t even know for sure what buses are being used yet. I thought it had been confirmed that Arriva would be using ENX's from the 289? I think most people would agree that they are rather tatty although obviously no chance of new buses for such a short term contract. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 12, 2024 14:51:35 GMT
This is what I keep saying about the whole superloop thing! Having the name super won’t suddenly make buses quicker. They need more dedicated bus lane and less obstacles like wide cycle lane that take up more road space and cause congestion. As for the tatty buses can we at least give Arriva chance? We don’t even know for sure what buses are being used yet. I thought it had been confirmed that Arriva would be using ENX's from the 289? I think most people would agree that they are rather tatty although obviously no chance of new buses for such a short term contract. I think it was assumed it would be the 289 buses but nothing confirmed as far as I am aware. There is potential for them to source used buses from elsewhere. If the 289 buses are used they will probably have a tidy up. |
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