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Post by frank on Apr 17, 2023 17:56:52 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so.
There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes.
This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better!
I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place.
Hope this thread is of use!
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Post by WH241 on Apr 17, 2023 19:29:30 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! Good idea for a thread! 
This is repeating what I have said elsewhere recently but a good idea to include here.
Route 304 : I was so skeptical of this route but it really is grown as it approaches its one year anniversary. You almost always now see a decent crowd waiting for a bus at Custom House station and passengers soon got wise to stand between the two stops so they could catch either a 147 or 304. From a purely enthusiast point of view I just wish bus allocations could be more consistent it is either nearly all hybrid one day then the next loads of diesel E400s.
Route 241 / 474 : I am not convinced this has been a success yes it serves a purpose from Canning Town to Custom House covering the former Keir Hardie section of the 241 but rarely picks up passengers heading towards North Woolwich, Beckton or a mystery tour to East Ham.. The 241 is still lightly used after Custom House towards Royal Wharf. I do think of all the easy London changes these two routes have the potential for further changes in the future.
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Post by rj131 on Apr 17, 2023 19:56:02 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! Good idea for a thread!
This is repeating what I have said elsewhere recently but a good idea to include here.
Route 304 : I was so skeptical of this route but it really is grown as it approaches its one year anniversary. You almost always now see a decent crowd waiting for a bus at Custom House station and passengers soon got wise to stand between the two stops so they could catch either a 147 or 304. From a purely enthusiast point of view I just wish bus allocations could be more consistent it is either nearly all hybrid one day then the next loads of diesel E400s.
Route 241 / 474 : I am not convinced this has been a success yes it serves a purpose from Canning Town to Custom House covering the former Keir Hardie section of the 241 but rarely picks up passengers heading towards North Woolwich, Beckton or a mystery tour to East Ham.. The 241 is still lightly used after Custom House towards Royal Wharf. I do think of all the easy London changes these two routes have the potential for further changes in the future.
Ive always wondered how’s the 241 doing. Is it carrying fresh air all day every day, or does it still have very busy times/sections? |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 17, 2023 19:57:37 GMT
Good idea for a thread!
This is repeating what I have said elsewhere recently but a good idea to include here.
Route 304 : I was so skeptical of this route but it really is grown as it approaches its one year anniversary. You almost always now see a decent crowd waiting for a bus at Custom House station and passengers soon got wise to stand between the two stops so they could catch either a 147 or 304. From a purely enthusiast point of view I just wish bus allocations could be more consistent it is either nearly all hybrid one day then the next loads of diesel E400s.
Route 241 / 474 : I am not convinced this has been a success yes it serves a purpose from Canning Town to Custom House covering the former Keir Hardie section of the 241 but rarely picks up passengers heading towards North Woolwich, Beckton or a mystery tour to East Ham.. The 241 is still lightly used after Custom House towards Royal Wharf. I do think of all the easy London changes these two routes have the potential for further changes in the future.
Ive always wondered how’s the 241 doing. Is it carrying fresh air all day every day, or does it still have very busy times/sections? It’s very busy Custom House to Stratford City. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 17, 2023 21:39:44 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! 427 changes - I live on the corridor but do not use the route, however I'd say that the 207 and 607 have coped without the 427. However I'd say that longer journeys on the 607 are undesirable, the bus moves so slowly through Southall. The best use of these routes are west of Southall as it's the only area where there's 40mph and is where there isn't any train stations nearby. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 17, 2023 21:59:24 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! 427 changes - I live on the corridor but do not use the route, however I'd say that the 207 and 607 have coped without the 427. However I'd say that longer journeys on the 607 are undesirable, the bus moves so slowly through Southall. The best use of these routes are west of Southall as it's the only area where there's 40mph and is where there isn't any train stations nearby. Thats good they are coping.TFLs data was correct despite all the concerns. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 17, 2023 23:04:24 GMT
427 changes - I live on the corridor but do not use the route, however I'd say that the 207 and 607 have coped without the 427. However I'd say that longer journeys on the 607 are undesirable, the bus moves so slowly through Southall. The best use of these routes are west of Southall as it's the only area where there's 40mph and is where there isn't any train stations nearby. Thats good they are coping.TFLs data was correct despite all the concerns. Depends on certain parameters - for all we know, there may be a group of people who switched away from public transport to alternatives as a result of this change resulting in the effect of other routes "coping". That shouldn't be a case of back slapping TfL and high fiving everyone. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 18, 2023 1:49:46 GMT
This has probably been said ad-nauseam but the current 23 is inane. Southern section should be helping the 9 especially on weekends but it's not doing a very good job at that given that it goes nowhere that useful at a reasonable speed (turns out that passengers don't like being dropped off on the far side of Marble Arch).
Good on TfL for fixing this (even if it is to cut costs).
The 73/390 swap still has me perplexed. The 390's frequency matches demand well down to Victoria but I feel that the 73 would enable more through journeys, at least to the end of Oxford Street. Dropping off before the Circus itself too is not ideal, a return to being able to get off at the John Lewis stand would be nice. At the moment the route feels like a dead-end and passengers loads most certainly show it as the bus empties out without picking up too many as it heads down TCR, though it is nice to get an empty seat from outside the side entrance to John Lewis. Would be interesting to see the passenger numbers on the Victoria-Oxford Circus section comparing when the 73 did it and now with the 390.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 18, 2023 6:30:18 GMT
Thats good they are coping.TFLs data was correct despite all the concerns. Depends on certain parameters - for all we know, there may be a group of people who switched away from public transport to alternatives as a result of this change resulting in the effect of other routes "coping". That shouldn't be a case of back slapping TfL and high fiving everyone. Unlikely I would say to have left altogether. More likely people who used to ride down to Ealing Broadway rather then taking the GWR are now taking the Elizabeth Line. Secondly realistically what alternatives? People in Southall only take a Uber now or overnight bought a car. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 18, 2023 6:53:58 GMT
This has probably been said ad-nauseam but the current 23 is inane. Southern section should be helping the 9 especially on weekends but it's not doing a very good job at that given that it goes nowhere that useful at a reasonable speed (turns out that passengers don't like being dropped off on the far side of Marble Arch). Good on TfL for fixing this (even if it is to cut costs). The 73/390 swap still has me perplexed. The 390's frequency matches demand well down to Victoria but I feel that the 73 would enable more through journeys, at least to the end of Oxford Street. Dropping off before the Circus itself too is not ideal, a return to being able to get off at the John Lewis stand would be nice. At the moment the route feels like a dead-end and passengers loads most certainly show it as the bus empties out without picking up too many as it heads down TCR, though it is nice to get an empty seat from outside the side entrance to John Lewis. Would be interesting to see the passenger numbers on the Victoria-Oxford Circus section comparing when the 73 did it and now with the 390. I wouldn't say that tfl have fixed the 23 issue because Hammersmith loses its link to Marble Arch and only has one link to Hyde Park Corner. the 23 should never have gone to Hammersmith, neither should the 10 have been withdrawn but tfl had to make cuts |
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 18, 2023 7:11:25 GMT
Ive always wondered how’s the 241 doing. Is it carrying fresh air all day every day, or does it still have very busy times/sections? It’s very busy Custom House to Stratford City. Wasn't the change to the 241 to pit buses into an area that is still being developed? Ideally a bus route is put in at the earliest opportunity, so it is there as people start moving into the area. Even if that means it runs around near-empty at first. If the route is put in too late, many of the new residents will have found alternatives. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 18, 2023 7:33:31 GMT
This has probably been said ad-nauseam but the current 23 is inane. Southern section should be helping the 9 especially on weekends but it's not doing a very good job at that given that it goes nowhere that useful at a reasonable speed (turns out that passengers don't like being dropped off on the far side of Marble Arch). Good on TfL for fixing this (even if it is to cut costs). The 73/390 swap still has me perplexed. The 390's frequency matches demand well down to Victoria but I feel that the 73 would enable more through journeys, at least to the end of Oxford Street. Dropping off before the Circus itself too is not ideal, a return to being able to get off at the John Lewis stand would be nice. At the moment the route feels like a dead-end and passengers loads most certainly show it as the bus empties out without picking up too many as it heads down TCR, though it is nice to get an empty seat from outside the side entrance to John Lewis. Would be interesting to see the passenger numbers on the Victoria-Oxford Circus section comparing when the 73 did it and now with the 390. The fact that the 23 doesn't go along Oxford Street like the 10 did has probably contributed to the decline and there's just not enough demand anymore for two routes between HPC and Hammersmith in addition to the 27,52 and 452. It would have seemed simpler to have cut the 390 back to Archway to Oxford Circus and left the 73 going to Victoria and in my experience all routes terminating at Oxford Circus from the east empty out before they get there as people find it quicker to get off and walk. |
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Post by greenboy on Apr 18, 2023 7:54:05 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! 427 changes - I live on the corridor but do not use the route, however I'd say that the 207 and 607 have coped without the 427. However I'd say that longer journeys on the 607 are undesirable, the bus moves so slowly through Southall. The best use of these routes are west of Southall as it's the only area where there's 40mph and is where there isn't any train stations nearby. It was inevitable a lot of people would switch to Crossrail when it opened rather than take a bus to Ealing Broadway for the tube and as you say the 207 and 607 seem quite adequate for demand now. The 607 seems to have got slower since it moved from UX to G with an additional stop added for driver changeovers, I can recall some spirited driving from UX drivers but it just seems a plod along service now with drivers often sitting at stops to regulate which is ridiculous on a supposedly express service. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 18, 2023 8:35:53 GMT
Depends on certain parameters - for all we know, there may be a group of people who switched away from public transport to alternatives as a result of this change resulting in the effect of other routes "coping". That shouldn't be a case of back slapping TfL and high fiving everyone. Unlikely I would say to have left altogether. More likely people who used to ride down to Ealing Broadway rather then taking the GWR are now taking the Elizabeth Line. Secondly realistically what alternatives? People in Southall only take a Uber now or overnight bought a car. Agree that there are far too many routes with dwindling passenger numbers approaching a dead end at Oxford Circus when they could go a little further down Oxford Street and stop outside the doors of all the shops, which was the great advantage of taking the bus rather than the tube to Oxford Street. I am not sure how far Oxford Street needs to decline before the various parties who clamoured for a reduction in bus numbers along Oxford Street realise their mistake, especially now that pedestrianisation is not going to happen anytime soon. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 18, 2023 10:26:07 GMT
Fab idea for a thread, frankThinking about the SE London Liz line changes (all anecdotal) 129 : not really a route I use much. 177 : seems to be coping OK without the 180, except during the day on Sunday, strangely - possibly needs a frequency uplift on this day. 180 : very popular on its new Erith section in the early mornings Mon-Sat with factory and warehouse workers. Beyond from Erith to Fraser Road seems very weak and in an ideal world probably needs to burrow deeper into the Quarry estate. 229 : not changed, but this service gets a right bashing northbound from Bexleyheath in the morning peak and southbound from Abbey Wood in the evening peak Monday to Friday. Perhaps feeling the loss of the 469? 244, 380 : seem really heavily overloaded - both sides of Woolwich on the 244 in peaks and to and from Belmarsh on the 380. 301 : generally popular and a good addition to the network. Very helpful at school times to/from Bexleyheath. 469 : loadings seem a tad disappointing on the new Upper Belvedere section - many seem to be riding through and alighting on the Belvedere - West Street - Erith section. If both arrive at Abbey Wood of an evening peak together, it is invariably the 229 that is more popular, 472 : not really observed it enough to say. Seems busy enough. |
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