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Post by WH241 on Apr 20, 2023 9:52:25 GMT
It is more the traffic around Upton Park especially on Green Street that the 104 encounters, but that said the 262 can equally suffer on Prince Regent Lane.
During the peaks and Saturday shopping hours it's probably even peggings, but outside the weekday peaks the 104 edges as a quicker journey. The congestion the 262 has to face on Prince Regent Lane is constant, whereas Green Street is generally quiet during the day.
The 304 has been helpful to punters along Lonsdale Avenue during the peaks but pretty much dead outside of that. Custom House is not a leisure destination, so it's understandable but saddening that it doesn't get much usage in that direction during the day. The opposite direction is status quo picking up where the 104 to East Ham & Manor Park left off. It has to be said that Heatherley Gardens Sandford Road does have a significant amount of people waiting for the 304; it's either that or be dragged to Albatross Close to get a bus to East Ham.
So are you implying my local observations are wrong again? I am not getting into more petty arguments but again I will again repeat what I said when you argued with me about the installation of the toilet. I live within walking distance of where the 304 terminates and work along the route so see buses at various times of days including the weekends. Yes when the route started it was lightly used but have picked up considerably and always see passengers leaving at the last stop and and a steady group of passengers waiting for buses towards Manor Park. I know what I see with my own eyes. This place can be mentally draining on occasions especially with tedious point scoring. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 20, 2023 11:07:52 GMT
During the peaks and Saturday shopping hours it's probably even peggings, but outside the weekday peaks the 104 edges as a quicker journey. The congestion the 262 has to face on Prince Regent Lane is constant, whereas Green Street is generally quiet during the day.
The 304 has been helpful to punters along Lonsdale Avenue during the peaks but pretty much dead outside of that. Custom House is not a leisure destination, so it's understandable but saddening that it doesn't get much usage in that direction during the day. The opposite direction is status quo picking up where the 104 to East Ham & Manor Park left off. It has to be said that Heatherley Gardens Sandford Road does have a significant amount of people waiting for the 304; it's either that or be dragged to Albatross Close to get a bus to East Ham.
So are you implying my local observations are wrong again? I am not getting into more petty arguments but again I will again repeat what I said when you argued with me about the installation of the toilet. I live within walking distance of where the 304 terminates and work along the route so see buses at various times of days including the weekends. Yes when the route started it was lightly used but have picked up considerably and always see passengers leaving at the last stop and and a steady group of passengers waiting for buses towards Manor Park. I know what I see with my own eyes. This place can be mentally draining on occasions especially with tedious point scoring.
You said you haven't observed the 104 much post Crossrail changes, but got offended when I gave my observations of the 104 and 304 along the Lonsdale Avenue corridor.
Honestly I'm lost for words sometimes of your vitriol towards me. At this point, you're just showing your insecurity towards me because I have some info that you don't. Please don't sully this thread with your unnecessary squabbles towards me and to quote your own words back at you, let's stick to the topic of this thread.
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 20, 2023 15:39:49 GMT
WH241 don't know why you're being so picky with people's posts lately , firstly with Vjaska on Monday in the withdrawn routes thread, then yesterday here you had a go at me for 'not sticking to the topic focus, which whilst you have a point I already explained to you yesterday that I was responding to an idea that someone else gave. We're all free to give our opinions here. Regardless of the fact that someone went off topic, you should have explained that to the OP instead of me. Rather than trying to create arguments with people on this thread (I'm specifically talking about what you said to enviroPB here), which no one is interested in hearing and people instead want to hear what people think of recent route changes, why not contribute to the discussion in a peaceful way. Stuff like this distracts from the topic focus and isn't what people came on here to do.
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Post by TB123 on Apr 20, 2023 15:48:06 GMT
WH241 don't know why you're being so picky with people's posts lately , firstly with Vjaska on Monday in the withdrawn routes thread, then yesterday here you had a go at me for 'not sticking to the topic focus, which whilst you have a point I already explained to you yesterday that I was responding to an idea that someone else gave. We're all free to give our opinions here. Regardless of the fact that someone went off topic, you should have explained that to the OP instead of me. Rather than trying to create arguments with people on this thread (I'm specifically talking about what you said to enviroPB here), which no one is interested in hearing and people instead want to hear what people think of recent route changes, why not contribute to the discussion in a peaceful way. Stuff like this distracts from the topic focus and isn't what people came on here to do. You're saying this as if it's something new. Unfortunately some have little better to do (seemingly) than character assassinate and try to drive people off the forum. Shame really. |
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Post by uakari on Apr 20, 2023 19:58:24 GMT
I'm not going to say anything because it will just bring out the TfL brown-nosers looking for a job 😆
Ok I'll just briefly mention again but not going to get into a discussion with TfL apologists: 384 east of Everyman Cinema has seen as consistent passenger reduction of over 40% despite TfL saying people would be attracted by more 'direct' journeys. This means the Edgware extension has actually cost them more money because overall usage is up 10% (TfL wanted a third), but the net additional route length is over 10% so the required subsidy has also increased by over 10%. Route is more unreliable and doesn't stop where people want to hail it, walks 650m+. No evidence of transfer to other routes as these are even further away and don't serve the same destinations.
84 TfL is still refusing to fund even section up to Hadley Highstone, stating 'consistently nine people per day' using the service, even though they contradicted this via an FOI request that revealed last data they actually have is from 2011 with significantly higher loadings than this.
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