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Post by rift on Apr 18, 2023 18:38:21 GMT
Greenwich Town Centre is a huge lure to tourists on the weekends, especially on a Sunday. The 177 does its best to cater to that, but locals also make shopping trips further up the route in Charlton and leisure trips to & from New Cross with its bars and other cultural attractions. Peckham is also becoming more culturally significant with its activities. I have experienced this first hand in the past and indeed have (foolishly) made the excruciating Sunday journey from Woolwich to New Cross for an event, ended up being 30 mins late. I was vocal in saying the 177 needed shorts from Charlton to Peckham to cater for the demand that was already there in Greenwich before the 180 reroute. With the London Marathon broadcasting the attractions of Greenwich nationally and further afield on Sunday, demand for the area on the weekends will likely show no sign of dissipating; quite likely the opposite. I wonder if it might have been a good idea with the 129/180 changes if the 177 was diverted to Lewisham, and instead send the 129 to Peckham? This would also give the 129 a bit more purpose, as for many journeys the 108 or 188 will be quicker. A link from North Greenwich to the New Cross area could be useful too. The 129’s original intention was to be sent to Peckham once Convoy’s Wharf was redeveloped, however no work has ever started on it despite multiple planning approvals. I don’t think rerouting the 177 to Lewisham would be good, I would rather have a route from North Greenwich to Peckham which then goes to Brixton via the 37, I had a proposal like that in 2021. |
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Post by frank on Apr 18, 2023 21:06:46 GMT
All, apologies if there is a thread on this already. Feel free to redirect me and close this thread if so. There have been a number of changes to TfL services, and number of upcoming changes yet to take place. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I have found it difficult to gather feedback on how those changes that have already taken place have faired on this forum, as comments are usually scattered across various threads. Therefore, I thought I'd create a thread for everyone to load anecdotal or factual evidence on the success of failure of TfL bus services changes. This is not a thread designed for creating new ideas / suggesting changes to the network. There are plenty of other threads that serve this purpose. This thread is a place to offer feedback of your experiences of bus service changes, and if you have any statistical data / any other factual evidence / 3rd party reports (news reports/petitions/TfL or user group info etc.), even better! I appreciate that for many of these services changes, it may take up to a year of more for the service changes to settle in. So when I say "recent", I mean feedback from day one up to two years after the change has taken place. Hope this thread is of use! Good idea for a thread! 
This is repeating what I have said elsewhere recently but a good idea to include here.
Route 304 : I was so skeptical of this route but it really is grown as it approaches its one year anniversary. You almost always now see a decent crowd waiting for a bus at Custom House station and passengers soon got wise to stand between the two stops so they could catch either a 147 or 304. From a purely enthusiast point of view I just wish bus allocations could be more consistent it is either nearly all hybrid one day then the next loads of diesel E400s.
Route 241 / 474 : I am not convinced this has been a success yes it serves a purpose from Canning Town to Custom House covering the former Keir Hardie section of the 241 but rarely picks up passengers heading towards North Woolwich, Beckton or a mystery tour to East Ham.. The 241 is still lightly used after Custom House towards Royal Wharf. I do think of all the easy London changes these two routes have the potential for further changes in the future.
I think the 304 really opens up direct access to Newham General Hospital to both the NE and SW corners of Newham. Any idea how the 104 diversion to Beckton has faired? |
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Post by greg on Apr 18, 2023 22:59:21 GMT
Someone has read my mind because I have been thinking about the lack of links to the O2 from Central London bar the Jubilee Line and the disastrous choice of the 188 we have. I couldn't think of a good enough choice so please let me know on what you would do or comments based on this 453: extended from Deptford Bridge to North Greenwich via route 177 to Trafalgar Estate then via route 188 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Marylebone, replaced by route 12 I think a O2 to Central Ldn link via Lewisham and Old Kent Road/Vauxhall link would be good however most routes heading to Lewisham from Central London could be more direct via Deptford |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2023 23:52:08 GMT
Someone has read my mind because I have been thinking about the lack of links to the O2 from Central London bar the Jubilee Line and the disastrous choice of the 188 we have. I couldn't think of a good enough choice so please let me know on what you would do or comments based on this 453: extended from Deptford Bridge to North Greenwich via route 177 to Trafalgar Estate then via route 188 Withdrawn between Oxford Circus and Marylebone, replaced by route 12 I think a O2 to Central Ldn link via Lewisham and Old Kent Road/Vauxhall link would be good however most routes heading to Lewisham from Central London could be more direct via Deptford I'm unsure anyone outside of bus enthusiasts would ride a bus from Central London to North Greenwich - 99% would likely grab the Jubilee Line. For me, I've mentioned it before and I know few would agree (and that's fine) but the best way to sort the 188 out is cut it at the Central London end to make the Greenwich end a bit more reliable. If something else was to go to the 02 and that's difficult due to lack of stand space, then either the 202 extended from Blackheath or something more from my own neck of the woods providing a new east to west link instead might be more ideal IMO |
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 19, 2023 10:15:07 GMT
Greenwich Town Centre is a huge lure to tourists on the weekends, especially on a Sunday. The 177 does its best to cater to that, but locals also make shopping trips further up the route in Charlton and leisure trips to & from New Cross with its bars and other cultural attractions. Peckham is also becoming more culturally significant with its activities. I have experienced this first hand in the past and indeed have (foolishly) made the excruciating Sunday journey from Woolwich to New Cross for an event, ended up being 30 mins late. I was vocal in saying the 177 needed shorts from Charlton to Peckham to cater for the demand that was already there in Greenwich before the 180 reroute. With the London Marathon broadcasting the attractions of Greenwich nationally and further afield on Sunday, demand for the area on the weekends will likely show no sign of dissipating; quite likely the opposite. I wonder if it might have been a good idea with the 129/180 changes if the 177 was diverted to Lewisham, and instead send the 129 to Peckham? This would also give the 129 a bit more purpose, as for many journeys the 108 or 188 will be quicker. A link from North Greenwich to the New Cross area could be useful too. I personally wouldn't reroute the 129 to Peckham as it's going to be extended through the Silvertown tunnel. Cross River links already exist from Peckham by taking the Overground and changing at Canada Water for the Jubilee line |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 19, 2023 10:30:28 GMT
I wonder if it might have been a good idea with the 129/180 changes if the 177 was diverted to Lewisham, and instead send the 129 to Peckham? This would also give the 129 a bit more purpose, as for many journeys the 108 or 188 will be quicker. A link from North Greenwich to the New Cross area could be useful too. I personally wouldn't reroute the 129 to Peckham as it's going to be extended through the Silvertown tunnel. Cross River links already exist from Peckham by taking the Overground and changing at Canada Water for the Jubilee line Frank did ask for this thread to be kept just for feedback on changes that have already happened. There is already lots of threads where route changes and ideas are discussed. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Apr 19, 2023 10:40:00 GMT
I personally wouldn't reroute the 129 to Peckham as it's going to be extended through the Silvertown tunnel. Cross River links already exist from Peckham by taking the Overground and changing at Canada Water for the Jubilee line Frank did ask for this thread to be kept just for feedback on changes that have already happened. There is already lots of threads where route changes and ideas are discussed. yes I know that and I'm not the only one who suggested route changes! Ultimately if someone suggests route changes you'd want to give your opinion even though it's a distraction from the topic focus however I wasn't the person who suggested the changes in the first place |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 19, 2023 11:05:06 GMT
I personally wouldn't reroute the 129 to Peckham as it's going to be extended through the Silvertown tunnel. Cross River links already exist from Peckham by taking the Overground and changing at Canada Water for the Jubilee line Frank did ask for this thread to be kept just for feedback on changes that have already happened. There is already lots of threads where route changes and ideas are discussed. I have to say I agree. Too many threads end up being route change discussions here imo. But anyway, back on topic. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 19, 2023 19:08:59 GMT
Good idea for a thread!
This is repeating what I have said elsewhere recently but a good idea to include here.
Route 304 : I was so skeptical of this route but it really is grown as it approaches its one year anniversary. You almost always now see a decent crowd waiting for a bus at Custom House station and passengers soon got wise to stand between the two stops so they could catch either a 147 or 304. From a purely enthusiast point of view I just wish bus allocations could be more consistent it is either nearly all hybrid one day then the next loads of diesel E400s.
Route 241 / 474 : I am not convinced this has been a success yes it serves a purpose from Canning Town to Custom House covering the former Keir Hardie section of the 241 but rarely picks up passengers heading towards North Woolwich, Beckton or a mystery tour to East Ham.. The 241 is still lightly used after Custom House towards Royal Wharf. I do think of all the easy London changes these two routes have the potential for further changes in the future.
I think the 304 really opens up direct access to Newham General Hospital to both the NE and SW corners of Newham. Any idea how the 104 diversion to Beckton has faired? I don't see the 104 much but it seems to carry a decent amount of passengers from Beckton. I agree the 304 is a very handy route for the hospital and almost supports the 376 with school loading to Brampton Manor. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2023 19:44:04 GMT
I think the 304 really opens up direct access to Newham General Hospital to both the NE and SW corners of Newham. Any idea how the 104 diversion to Beckton has faired? I don't see the 104 much but it seems to carry a decent amount of passengers from Beckton. I agree the 304 is a very handy route for the hospital and almost supports the 376 with school loading to Brampton Manor. If I'm not mistaken the 104 isn't a particularly round the houses route so it must hook in some Beckton to Stratford passengers along with the 262? |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 19, 2023 19:57:53 GMT
I don't see the 104 much but it seems to carry a decent amount of passengers from Beckton. I agree the 304 is a very handy route for the hospital and almost supports the 376 with school loading to Brampton Manor. If I'm not mistaken the 104 isn't a particularly round the houses route so it must hook in some Beckton to Stratford passengers along with the 262? It is very much around the houses and would be a slow journey to Stratford! 262 is much more direct. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 19, 2023 20:21:13 GMT
If I'm not mistaken the 104 isn't a particularly round the houses route so it must hook in some Beckton to Stratford passengers along with the 262? It is very much around the houses and would be a slow journey to Stratford! 262 is much more direct. Oh OK. So it doesn't have much Stratford traffic then. |
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 19, 2023 20:27:20 GMT
It is very much around the houses and would be a slow journey to Stratford! 262 is much more direct. Oh OK. So it doesn't have much Stratford traffic then. It is more the traffic around Upton Park especially on Green Street that the 104 encounters, but that said the 262 can equally suffer on Prince Regent Lane. |
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Post by WH241 on Apr 19, 2023 21:23:35 GMT
Oh OK. So it doesn't have much Stratford traffic then. It is more the traffic around Upton Park especially on Green Street that the 104 encounters, but that said the 262 can equally suffer on Prince Regent Lane. I just checked both routes timetables and they both pretty much allow 30 mins which surprised me! As you say Upton Park is a sticky point for the 104 so do wonder how often buses manage to do the journey in that time, I certainly wouldn’t use the 104 over the 262. |
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Post by enviroPB on Apr 20, 2023 9:18:06 GMT
Oh OK. So it doesn't have much Stratford traffic then. It is more the traffic around Upton Park especially on Green Street that the 104 encounters, but that said the 262 can equally suffer on Prince Regent Lane.
During the peaks and Saturday shopping hours it's probably even peggings, but outside the weekday peaks the 104 edges as a quicker journey. The congestion the 262 has to face on Prince Regent Lane is constant, whereas Green Street is generally quiet during the day.
The 304 has been helpful to punters along Lonsdale Avenue during the peaks but pretty much dead outside of that. Custom House is not a leisure destination, so it's understandable but saddening that it doesn't get much usage in that direction during the day. The opposite direction is status quo picking up where the 104 to East Ham & Manor Park left off. It has to be said that Heatherley Gardens Sandford Road does have a significant amount of people waiting for the 304; it's either that or be dragged to Albatross Close to get a bus to East Ham.
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