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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 3, 2023 21:19:24 GMT
The article suggests that Phillip first had sexual contact with the boy when he was aged 20, suggesting that he didn't do anything illegal. However he said that homophobia was a factor in why people disapproved of the relationship and it wouldn't be a scandal if it was between a man and a woman. I think that this is a very weak excuse, and surely it would be worse if he groomed a young girl? (FYI I don't think that grooming a young boy is less serious but it's the way that British society thinks about this is that it is worse if a male perpetrator grooms a female victim) He does say he's sorry and whilst I'm for forgiveness, consequences have actions. He chose to act like that and repeatedly deny it, now he has to face the facts that his television contracts have been stripped away from him and he and his family will face online abuse. I feel bad for his daughters because everyone will know what their father and uncle have done. So far it doesn't look like Phillip has broken the law however the boy is yet to tell his side of the story I also think that some people on the internet are hounding him too much, it's similar to the Caroline Flack case where they both did something controversial people should be careful what they write about others on the internet. You never know how people will feel and this doesn't just go towards Philip but regarding anyone in general. I don't approve of Phillip's affair nor his lying but he doesn't deserve to be treated with online abuse I think the main factor is, that Philip has been in contact with the boy since 10! I believe they first met when 16 or he got a job with Philip from then. People are seeing it that he was groomed ( or moulded) Why people are also now sceptical about the whole thing and may think he did have underage sex is down to the fact he has lied about various things over the years on the subject. So if he was lying then, why should people believe him now. It does not help that his brother was just jailed from dealing with under age kids. The internet hounding seems to have started from queuegate, him and holly now have targets on their back Some of the things I have heard Scofield say of recent is reminding me of R Kelly and in some ways is trying to play the victim. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 3, 2023 21:30:30 GMT
The article suggests that Phillip first had sexual contact with the boy when he was aged 20, suggesting that he didn't do anything illegal. However he said that homophobia was a factor in why people disapproved of the relationship and it wouldn't be a scandal if it was between a man and a woman. I think that this is a very weak excuse, and surely it would be worse if he groomed a young girl? (FYI I don't think that grooming a young boy is less serious but it's the way that British society thinks about this is that it is worse if a male perpetrator grooms a female victim) He does say he's sorry and whilst I'm for forgiveness, consequences have actions. He chose to act like that and repeatedly deny it, now he has to face the facts that his television contracts have been stripped away from him and he and his family will face online abuse. I feel bad for his daughters because everyone will know what their father and uncle have done. So far it doesn't look like Phillip has broken the law however the boy is yet to tell his side of the story I also think that some people on the internet are hounding him too much, it's similar to the Caroline Flack case where they both did something controversial people should be careful what they write about others on the internet. You never know how people will feel and this doesn't just go towards Philip but regarding anyone in general. I don't approve of Phillip's affair nor his lying but he doesn't deserve to be treated with online abuse I think the main factor is, that Philip has been in contact with the boy since 10! I believe they first met when 16 or he got a job with Philip from then. People are seeing it that he was groomed ( or moulded) Why people are also now sceptical about the whole thing and may think he did have underage sex is down to the fact he has lied about various things over the years on the subject. So if he was lying then, why should people believe him now. It does not help that his brother was just jailed from dealing with under age kids. The internet hounding seems to have started from queuegate, him and holly now have targets on their back Some of the things I have heard Scofield say of recent is reminding me of R Kelly and in some ways is trying to play the victim. I think that there's a lot of things we don't know. He may have said 'unwise but not illegal' even though he may have had sex with a minor. Comparing his situation to Caroline Flack whilst I get some people may find it silly and desperate for sympathy, they both did bad things, though arguably Phillip was worse since he tried to cover up the whole child grooming. However Flack was still responsible for assaulting her boyfriend and she dated Harry Styles when he was 17 and she was 32. She still had a relationship with a minor. If the gender roles were reversed the man would never get away with it. Society in general seems to treat women better when it comes to this sort of thing. If a man gets sexually assaulted by a woman people won't believe them and will tell them to suck it up. Whereas if a woman gets sexually assaulted by a man she's far more likely to go to the police. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 3, 2023 22:59:53 GMT
I think the main factor is, that Philip has been in contact with the boy since 10! I believe they first met when 16 or he got a job with Philip from then. People are seeing it that he was groomed ( or moulded) Why people are also now sceptical about the whole thing and may think he did have underage sex is down to the fact he has lied about various things over the years on the subject. So if he was lying then, why should people believe him now. It does not help that his brother was just jailed from dealing with under age kids. The internet hounding seems to have started from queuegate, him and holly now have targets on their back Some of the things I have heard Scofield say of recent is reminding me of R Kelly and in some ways is trying to play the victim. I think that there's a lot of things we don't know. He may have said 'unwise but not illegal' even though he may have had sex with a minor. Comparing his situation to Caroline Flack whilst I get some people may find it silly and desperate for sympathy, they both did bad things, though arguably Phillip was worse since he tried to cover up the whole child grooming. However Flack was still responsible for assaulting her boyfriend and she dated Harry Styles when he was 17 and she was 32. She still had a relationship with a minor. If the gender roles were reversed the man would never get away with it. Society in general seems to treat women better when it comes to this sort of thing. If a man gets sexually assaulted by a woman people won't believe them and will tell them to suck it up. Whereas if a woman gets sexually assaulted by a man she's far more likely to go to the police. 17 is not a minor in the eyes of the law as 16 is the legal age of consent. It would only be illegal if Flack was in a position of trust i.e. employed to look after him in the role of a nanny or teacher. As she wasn’t it was not under the eyes of the law illegal. Immoral, yes, but not illegal and Styles certainly wasn’t a minor in the eyes of sexual consent within the law. As for Schofield sleeping with the guy isn’t the problem, that point is irrelevant as it was put illegal if he was past the age of consent. The issue is that he consistently lied to ITV, his agency, colleagues and his wife about the nature of the relationship, its origins and exactly what they were to each other. Nobody reasonable cares about him sleeping with the guy, it’s the fact that colleagues and ITV defended him over and over again whilst he had the affair. The fact that he went on national television with “gotcha” moments for people like then PM David Cameron and others about peadophilia whilst he was likely aware of the issues with his brother. The fact that he likely came out to dispel these rumours and hold onto his career, pulling off the perfect Kevin Spacey defence, whilst simultaneously garnering sympathy i.e. textbook gaslighting. But again, sleeping with the guy is the least important of these issues, it’s everything related to the relationship as again it wasn’t illegal, immoral but at this stage by all account not technically illegal. For Flack as I mentioned earlier the victim chose to ask the CPS to not pursue the case as he did not consider himself a victim but rather a witness to the incident. The CPS chose to pursue the case based on her high profile nature but it would have been thrown out at some point if the witness was unwilling to pursue charges. This comparison between Flack and Schofield is utterly ridiculous as they are two entirely different situations. There are very few similarities beyond the media led coverage. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 3, 2023 23:36:08 GMT
The article suggests that Phillip first had sexual contact with the boy when he was aged 20, suggesting that he didn't do anything illegal. However he said that homophobia was a factor in why people disapproved of the relationship and it wouldn't be a scandal if it was between a man and a woman. I think that this is a very weak excuse, and surely it would be worse if he groomed a young girl? (FYI I don't think that grooming a young boy is less serious but it's the way that British society thinks about this is that it is worse if a male perpetrator grooms a female victim) He does say he's sorry and whilst I'm for forgiveness, consequences have actions. He chose to act like that and repeatedly deny it, now he has to face the facts that his television contracts have been stripped away from him and he and his family will face online abuse. I feel bad for his daughters because everyone will know what their father and uncle have done. So far it doesn't look like Phillip has broken the law however the boy is yet to tell his side of the story I also think that some people on the internet are hounding him too much, it's similar to the Caroline Flack case where they both did something controversial people should be careful what they write about others on the internet. You never know how people will feel and this doesn't just go towards Philip but regarding anyone in general. I don't approve of Phillip's affair nor his lying but he doesn't deserve to be treated with online abuse I think the main factor is, that Philip has been in contact with the boy since 10! I believe they first met when 16 or he got a job with Philip from then. People are seeing it that he was groomed ( or moulded) Why people are also now sceptical about the whole thing and may think he did have underage sex is down to the fact he has lied about various things over the years on the subject. So if he was lying then, why should people believe him now. It does not help that his brother was just jailed from dealing with under age kids. The internet hounding seems to have started from queuegate, him and holly now have targets on their back Some of the things I have heard Scofield say of recent is reminding me of R Kelly and in some ways is trying to play the victim. Just on the R Kelly debacle, it really surprises me how after all the allegations emerged, how much people still continued to support him and his music. Nowadays R Kelly would get cancelled in an instant and never be heard from again, but when you consider that even after the statutory r*pe tape emerged in 2002, afterwards he went on to sell perhaps his most successful and recognisable song (Ignition) and it was even the 3rd best selling single in the UK in 2003. Times have certainly changed for the better since then.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 4, 2023 6:59:39 GMT
I think the main factor is, that Philip has been in contact with the boy since 10! I believe they first met when 16 or he got a job with Philip from then. People are seeing it that he was groomed ( or moulded) Why people are also now sceptical about the whole thing and may think he did have underage sex is down to the fact he has lied about various things over the years on the subject. So if he was lying then, why should people believe him now. It does not help that his brother was just jailed from dealing with under age kids. The internet hounding seems to have started from queuegate, him and holly now have targets on their back Some of the things I have heard Scofield say of recent is reminding me of R Kelly and in some ways is trying to play the victim. Just on the R Kelly debacle, it really surprises me how after all the allegations emerged, how much people still continued to support him and his music. Nowadays R Kelly would get cancelled in an instant and never be heard from again, but when you consider that even after the statutory r*pe tape emerged in 2002, afterwards he went on to sell perhaps his most successful and recognisable song (Ignition) and it was even the 3rd best selling single in the UK in 2003. Times have certainly changed for the better since then.
It's sad seeing modern day stars succombing just like the 1970's ones did. I loved R Kelly's music, Ignition was such a catchy song in 2003. Schofield is finished now, and has already been said, as his brother was caged for similar, it was no surprise. When that great big "coming out" thing was on This Morning and he was sobbing like a baby, it was all a cover up for what we know now. I think to save the show, ITV bosses will bring in new presenters and try to start over (not that I have the time to watch daytime TV)  |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 4, 2023 9:36:02 GMT
Just on the R Kelly debacle, it really surprises me how after all the allegations emerged, how much people still continued to support him and his music. Nowadays R Kelly would get cancelled in an instant and never be heard from again, but when you consider that even after the statutory r*pe tape emerged in 2002, afterwards he went on to sell perhaps his most successful and recognisable song (Ignition) and it was even the 3rd best selling single in the UK in 2003. Times have certainly changed for the better since then.
It's sad seeing modern day stars succombing just like the 1970's ones did. I loved R Kelly's music, Ignition was such a catchy song in 2003. Schofield is finished now, and has already been said, as his brother was caged for similar, it was no surprise. When that great big "coming out" thing was on This Morning and he was sobbing like a baby, it was all a cover up for what we know now. I think to save the show, ITV bosses will bring in new presenters and try to start over (not that I have the time to watch daytime TV) To be fair he still is sobbing like a baby in his recent interviews and begging for sympathy by using suicidal thoughts, regardless of whether he felt that way or not, it all seems to me like an attention stunt and after all that has been publicised lately no one will feel sympathetic for him |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 4, 2023 9:41:01 GMT
I think that there's a lot of things we don't know. He may have said 'unwise but not illegal' even though he may have had sex with a minor. Comparing his situation to Caroline Flack whilst I get some people may find it silly and desperate for sympathy, they both did bad things, though arguably Phillip was worse since he tried to cover up the whole child grooming. However Flack was still responsible for assaulting her boyfriend and she dated Harry Styles when he was 17 and she was 32. She still had a relationship with a minor. If the gender roles were reversed the man would never get away with it. Society in general seems to treat women better when it comes to this sort of thing. If a man gets sexually assaulted by a woman people won't believe them and will tell them to suck it up. Whereas if a woman gets sexually assaulted by a man she's far more likely to go to the police. 17 is not a minor in the eyes of the law as 16 is the legal age of consent. It would only be illegal if Flack was in a position of trust i.e. employed to look after him in the role of a nanny or teacher. As she wasn’t it was not under the eyes of the law illegal. Immoral, yes, but not illegal and Styles certainly wasn’t a minor in the eyes of sexual consent within the law. As for Schofield sleeping with the guy isn’t the problem, that point is irrelevant as it was put illegal if he was past the age of consent. The issue is that he consistently lied to ITV, his agency, colleagues and his wife about the nature of the relationship, its origins and exactly what they were to each other. Nobody reasonable cares about him sleeping with the guy, it’s the fact that colleagues and ITV defended him over and over again whilst he had the affair. The fact that he went on national television with “gotcha” moments for people like then PM David Cameron and others about peadophilia whilst he was likely aware of the issues with his brother. The fact that he likely came out to dispel these rumours and hold onto his career, pulling off the perfect Kevin Spacey defence, whilst simultaneously garnering sympathy i.e. textbook gaslighting. But again, sleeping with the guy is the least important of these issues, it’s everything related to the relationship as again it wasn’t illegal, immoral but at this stage by all account not technically illegal. For Flack as I mentioned earlier the victim chose to ask the CPS to not pursue the case as he did not consider himself a victim but rather a witness to the incident. The CPS chose to pursue the case based on her high profile nature but it would have been thrown out at some point if the witness was unwilling to pursue charges. This comparison between Flack and Schofield is utterly ridiculous as they are two entirely different situations. There are very few similarities beyond the media led coverage. I still believe that people like Schofield and Flack were hounded by the media too much. Flack struggled with her mental health a lot in the past and although it wasn't the media coverage that killed her but the fact that she was going to be prosecuted. This wouldn't have made headlines if Flack was an ordinary person, likewise with Schofield. Schofield though is a lying cheat who has lied during the entire scandal and has cheated big time on his wife and that I don't feel sympathy for him, neither for giving those interviews. However we're yet to hear the boy's side of the story so it could become a lot more sinister if he does reveal what happened. I feel that this isn't the end of the Schofield scandal. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 4, 2023 10:08:32 GMT
17 is not a minor in the eyes of the law as 16 is the legal age of consent. It would only be illegal if Flack was in a position of trust i.e. employed to look after him in the role of a nanny or teacher. As she wasn’t it was not under the eyes of the law illegal. Immoral, yes, but not illegal and Styles certainly wasn’t a minor in the eyes of sexual consent within the law. As for Schofield sleeping with the guy isn’t the problem, that point is irrelevant as it was put illegal if he was past the age of consent. The issue is that he consistently lied to ITV, his agency, colleagues and his wife about the nature of the relationship, its origins and exactly what they were to each other. Nobody reasonable cares about him sleeping with the guy, it’s the fact that colleagues and ITV defended him over and over again whilst he had the affair. The fact that he went on national television with “gotcha” moments for people like then PM David Cameron and others about peadophilia whilst he was likely aware of the issues with his brother. The fact that he likely came out to dispel these rumours and hold onto his career, pulling off the perfect Kevin Spacey defence, whilst simultaneously garnering sympathy i.e. textbook gaslighting. But again, sleeping with the guy is the least important of these issues, it’s everything related to the relationship as again it wasn’t illegal, immoral but at this stage by all account not technically illegal. For Flack as I mentioned earlier the victim chose to ask the CPS to not pursue the case as he did not consider himself a victim but rather a witness to the incident. The CPS chose to pursue the case based on her high profile nature but it would have been thrown out at some point if the witness was unwilling to pursue charges. This comparison between Flack and Schofield is utterly ridiculous as they are two entirely different situations. There are very few similarities beyond the media led coverage. I still believe that people like Schofield and Flack were hounded by the media too much. Flack struggled with her mental health a lot in the past and although it wasn't the media coverage that killed her but the fact that she was going to be prosecuted. This wouldn't have made headlines if Flack was an ordinary person, likewise with Schofield. Schofield though is a lying cheat who has lied during the entire scandal and has cheated big time on his wife and that I don't feel sympathy for him, neither for giving those interviews. However we're yet to hear the boy's side of the story so it could become a lot more sinister if he does reveal what happened. I feel that this isn't the end of the Schofield scandal. Key difference is that Schofield has been given numerous opportunities to respond and to some degree of success control the narrative surrounding the stories coming out. Flack was never given that opportunity and had to endure story after story about her incident. |
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Post by cardinal on Jun 4, 2023 10:34:05 GMT
I view this as a father of three sons.
If I found out my teenage son was in contact with a celebrity on social media I would question the adults motives. Be the celebrity male or female. And when I say teenage I mean up to 17.
It is not normal behaviour. I don’t think a reasonable person would behave like that. And frankly I don’t believe the contents of his interview.
If you have had an affair and get caught out and get asked how many times did “it” happen, I’m sorry but you can’t quote an exact figure straight off the bat. Whatever that figure is it is likely to be a lie: that’s what people do when they’re caught out, they lie.
These people are on our screens every day and present themselves sometimes, as squeaky clean. If they do that and it turns out to be a lie then really the aftermath is quite predictable and they need to deal with it.
Has it got something to do with homophobia ? Some people are using that yes. But as I said at the start , the starting point for this was an adult celebrity contacting a child and promising them work and then subsequently at that work sexual activity took place. If that isn’t taking advantage &
Potentially grooming then I don’t know what is.
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Post by cardinal on Jun 4, 2023 10:36:50 GMT
I view this as a father of three sons. If I found out my teenage son was in contact with a celebrity on social media I would question the adults motives. Be the celebrity male or female. And when I say teenage I mean up to 17. It is not normal behaviour. I don’t think a reasonable person would behave like that. And frankly I don’t believe the contents of his interview. If you have had an affair and get caught out and get asked how many times did “it” happen, I’m sorry but you can’t quote an exact figure straight off the bat. Whatever that figure is it is likely to be a lie: that’s what people do when they’re caught out, they lie. These people are on our screens every day and present themselves sometimes, as squeaky clean. If they do that and it turns out to be a lie then really the aftermath is quite predictable and they need to deal with it. Has it got something to do with homophobia ? Some people are using that yes. But as I said at the start , the starting point for this was an adult celebrity contacting a child and promising them work and then subsequently at that work sexual activity took place. If that isn’t taking advantage & Potentially grooming then I don’t know what is. Edit - Schofield said he had tens of thousand of followers on Twitter. Are we now to believe he was just in contact with this one child ? |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 4, 2023 13:07:38 GMT
It's sad seeing modern day stars succombing just like the 1970's ones did. I loved R Kelly's music, Ignition was such a catchy song in 2003. Schofield is finished now, and has already been said, as his brother was caged for similar, it was no surprise. When that great big "coming out" thing was on This Morning and he was sobbing like a baby, it was all a cover up for what we know now. I think to save the show, ITV bosses will bring in new presenters and try to start over (not that I have the time to watch daytime TV) To be fair he still is sobbing like a baby in his recent interviews and begging for sympathy by using suicidal thoughts, regardless of whether he felt that way or not, it all seems to me like an attention stunt and after all that has been publicised lately no one will feel sympathetic for him This is a common practice in phychology called transferrance where you put all your sh!t on someone else - no doubt over the years he's had people ring in and pour out their hearts to him on his phone-ins, so he will know how to turn on the waterworks. And as most us don't know him to openly cry, as he's had this kind vivacious persona, wheras his front has changed more times than an LT after a crash  Schofield has overdrawn on people's kindness after his arrogance when the Queen passed, and when he needed time off when his brother was sent down, it all seemed odd. The latest theatre when he's being interviewed asking " how far do people want to push me, do they want me to die ?! " didn't get any sympathy from me. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 4, 2023 16:31:12 GMT
Holly Willoughby is expected to deliver a statement regarding Phillip Schofield on her return to This Morning tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what she says.
It is important to note that Holly and Phil haven't been speaking lately. The way that Holly has gone by the whole scandal is ridiculous because she threw Phillip under a bus to save her career.
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Post by WH241 on Jun 4, 2023 16:53:50 GMT
Holly Willoughby is expected to deliver a statement regarding Phillip Schofield on her return to This Morning tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what she says. It is important to note that Holly and Phil haven't been speaking lately. The way that Holly has gone by the whole scandal is ridiculous because she threw Phillip under a bus to save her career. I’m sorry but don’t see how Holly threw Phillip under a bus. He did that by himself. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 4, 2023 16:55:56 GMT
Holly Willoughby is expected to deliver a statement regarding Phillip Schofield on her return to This Morning tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what she says. It is important to note that Holly and Phil haven't been speaking lately. The way that Holly has gone by the whole scandal is ridiculous because she threw Phillip under a bus to save her career. I’m sorry but don’t see how Holly threw Phillip under a bus. He did that by himself. His actions are immoral but surely Holly knew what was going on and kept quiet about it. Only now that the revelations come to light, she's distancing herself from Phillip. It's like she wants nothing to do with it. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2023 17:09:33 GMT
Holly Willoughby is expected to deliver a statement regarding Phillip Schofield on her return to This Morning tomorrow. Will be interesting to see what she says. It is important to note that Holly and Phil haven't been speaking lately. The way that Holly has gone by the whole scandal is ridiculous because she threw Phillip under a bus to save her career. What else is she meant to do? Stand by him? She didn't know, and distanced herself when she did. I don't think you can expect much more from her. |
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