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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 16, 2023 11:44:48 GMT
Yes the 20 went DLA from 2007 to 2012. Not sure what route used the ones left behind thou at DX. They went to [SF] and [AR] after some of them. Ah yes. That then led to both the 253 and 254 being retained with VLWs in 2010 when the 253 had never had any bought for it (it had DLAs in 2003).
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 16, 2023 12:44:46 GMT
139: last gained new buses in January 2010 but it only gained them in October of that same with the 60 reg TEs / TEHs. Then it 61 reg TEHs to make it fully TEH. Then it was given the 13’s contract and took its existing VHs (both Gemini 2s and 3s) and VHRs (I don’t know why the 139 wasn’t withdrawn considering it’s contract had come to the end, the 13 didn’t retained its contract and the 82 kept its number 🙄 but oh well). Then in 2020 it was won by Metroline with existing and new buses bus the new buses never materialised or arrived. I thought that the 139 was won by Metroline with existing hybrids from the 34 and some 61 plate TEHs to make up the balance (no new buses). The contract started off with those ex 34 hybrids, not sure where they are now as the 139 allocation has changed to be mainly TEHs both 61 plate and MMC (ex 332 prior to LT conversion) with a few VWHs. Arguably the TEHs suit the route well, but in some ways it is nice to have a route with so many different types of buses allocated. No doubt the TEHs and VWHs can last out the contract if need be, when it will probably get electric buses. The whole 13/82/139 bus numbering was a complete shambles. Sure people didn't want to lose the number 13 as originally proposed, but that was primarily because they didn't want to lose their link to the West End. Having said that it does makes some sense to keep lower number routes and what would have been more sensible is as you you suggest to have axed the 139 (a relatively new creation), and kept both the 13 and 82. The 13 could then have been re-routed from the Finchley Road down West End Lane / Abbey Road following the 139 to Baker Street. The 13 could then have been extended to Waterloo to cover the loss of the 139. Today's 139 would therefore be the 13, the 82 remaining as was and the 139 axed. Completely agree with the 13/82/139 numbering, suggested this at the time, and would have been simpler contractually too since it was the 139's contract that was not renewed. Regarding the 139's allocation, I think when Metroline won it again in 2020 the intention was to mostly use the 64reg VWHs from the recent 34 loss, topped up by some new hybrids. However, the 52 received a significant PVR cut, so this meant some extra existing hybrids could be used instead. Some 17reg VWHs moved from AC to HT, with 14reg then going to W to complete the 139's allocation. One 13reg TEH was also allocated, as the 282 didn't quite need the whole batch. Then a more complex reshuffle happened later on, including the 332 converting to LTs, and the 15reg TEHs then being allocated to the 139. However in the process I think the 139 was down one spare, so at least one 61reg TEH is now allocated too. Though I suspect Metroline will want to withdraw all of the 61reg once the 32 has fully converted to LTs, so perhaps a few VWHs will move to W at some point? I think G currently has a few surplus as refurb cover for the 92?
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 31, 2023 11:28:06 GMT
We can add 253 and 254 to the list now
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Post by SW88 on Aug 1, 2023 0:27:48 GMT
I thought that the 139 was won by Metroline with existing hybrids from the 34 and some 61 plate TEHs to make up the balance (no new buses). The contract started off with those ex 34 hybrids, not sure where they are now as the 139 allocation has changed to be mainly TEHs both 61 plate and MMC (ex 332 prior to LT conversion) with a few VWHs. Arguably the TEHs suit the route well, but in some ways it is nice to have a route with so many different types of buses allocated. No doubt the TEHs and VWHs can last out the contract if need be, when it will probably get electric buses. The whole 13/82/139 bus numbering was a complete shambles. Sure people didn't want to lose the number 13 as originally proposed, but that was primarily because they didn't want to lose their link to the West End. Having said that it does makes some sense to keep lower number routes and what would have been more sensible is as you you suggest to have axed the 139 (a relatively new creation), and kept both the 13 and 82. The 13 could then have been re-routed from the Finchley Road down West End Lane / Abbey Road following the 139 to Baker Street. The 13 could then have been extended to Waterloo to cover the loss of the 139. Today's 139 would therefore be the 13, the 82 remaining as was and the 139 axed. Completely agree with the 13/82/139 numbering, suggested this at the time, and would have been simpler contractually too since it was the 139's contract that was not renewed. Regarding the 139's allocation, I think when Metroline won it again in 2020 the intention was to mostly use the 64reg VWHs from the recent 34 loss, topped up by some new hybrids. However, the 52 received a significant PVR cut, so this meant some extra existing hybrids could be used instead. Some 17reg VWHs moved from AC to HT, with 14reg then going to W to complete the 139's allocation. One 13reg TEH was also allocated, as the 282 didn't quite need the whole batch. Then a more complex reshuffle happened later on, including the 332 converting to LTs, and the 15reg TEHs then being allocated to the 139. However in the process I think the 139 was down one spare, so at least one 61reg TEH is now allocated too. Though I suspect Metroline will want to withdraw all of the 61reg once the 32 has fully converted to LTs, so perhaps a few VWHs will move to W at some point? I think G currently has a few surplus as refurb cover for the 92? What brand new hybrids do you reckon 139 would’ve got?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 1, 2023 1:20:56 GMT
Completely agree with the 13/82/139 numbering, suggested this at the time, and would have been simpler contractually too since it was the 139's contract that was not renewed. Regarding the 139's allocation, I think when Metroline won it again in 2020 the intention was to mostly use the 64reg VWHs from the recent 34 loss, topped up by some new hybrids. However, the 52 received a significant PVR cut, so this meant some extra existing hybrids could be used instead. Some 17reg VWHs moved from AC to HT, with 14reg then going to W to complete the 139's allocation. One 13reg TEH was also allocated, as the 282 didn't quite need the whole batch. Then a more complex reshuffle happened later on, including the 332 converting to LTs, and the 15reg TEHs then being allocated to the 139. However in the process I think the 139 was down one spare, so at least one 61reg TEH is now allocated too. Though I suspect Metroline will want to withdraw all of the 61reg once the 32 has fully converted to LTs, so perhaps a few VWHs will move to W at some point? I think G currently has a few surplus as refurb cover for the 92? What brand new hybrids do you reckon 139 would’ve got? Most likely, it probably would of been VMH's as that was Metroline's preference hybrid wise at the time
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 12, 2023 4:32:55 GMT
We can add 253 and 254 to the list now Didn't they get new buses in 2015 mid-tender?
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 12, 2023 7:06:07 GMT
We can add 253 and 254 to the list now Didn't they get new buses in 2015 mid-tender? The 254 got new LTs I think on its 2017 tenders I think. Not sure about the 253.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 12, 2023 13:54:03 GMT
Well from the last round of results it looks like we can add P4 to the list. vjaska how many years is it now that the P4 has gained existing buses?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2023 14:39:44 GMT
Well from the last round of results it looks like we can add P4 to the list. vjaska how many years is it now that the P4 has gained existing buses? 20 years exactly I believe as the last new buses were the 03 reg Pointer Darts - since then, it's been those Darts for a second term, then the ELBG crap from the 246 & 372 (with two interlopers allocated at one point - the MMC that went off lease 36665 and the sole 11 reg TL received once redundant from BK, 36263?) until London Central take control.
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Post by yunus on Sept 12, 2023 14:49:07 GMT
Well from the last round of results it looks like we can add P4 to the list. vjaska how many years is it now that the P4 has gained existing buses? 20 years exactly I believe as the last new buses were the 03 reg Pointer Darts - since then, it's been those Darts for a second term, then the ELBG crap from the 246 & 372 (with two interlopers allocated at one point - the MMC that went off lease 36665 and the sole 11 reg TL received once redundant from BK, 36263?) until London Central take control. May I ask your thoughts on the P4 result? Are you pleased that it will stay with Diesels?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2023 14:52:20 GMT
20 years exactly I believe as the last new buses were the 03 reg Pointer Darts - since then, it's been those Darts for a second term, then the ELBG crap from the 246 & 372 (with two interlopers allocated at one point - the MMC that went off lease 36665 and the sole 11 reg TL received once redundant from BK, 36263?) until London Central take control. May I ask your thoughts on the P4 result? Are you pleased that it will stay with Diesels? Only if it gains the 65 reg SE's will I be content otherwise, I'd rather it got new electrics regardless of operator
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 12, 2023 16:14:32 GMT
May I ask your thoughts on the P4 result? Are you pleased that it will stay with Diesels? Only if it gains the 65 reg SE's will I be content otherwise, I'd rather it got new electrics regardless of operator I think it is possible it will get the 65 reg SEs. They have proved useful as a float for routes awaiting electric conversion hopefully the time has come for them to have their own contract term. The WS could still be used to win another route.
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 12, 2023 16:58:27 GMT
Well from the last round of results it looks like we can add P4 to the list. vjaska how many years is it now that the P4 has gained existing buses? 20 years exactly I believe as the last new buses were the 03 reg Pointer Darts - since then, it's been those Darts for a second term, then the ELBG crap from the 246 & 372 (with two interlopers allocated at one point - the MMC that went off lease 36665 and the sole 11 reg TL received once redundant from BK, 36263?) until London Central take control. You're right on 36263 that was used at TL though it came from NS on the 296 with a short term loan at BK until those MMC's for the 167 & 362 entered service before moving to TL.
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Post by mkay315 on Sept 12, 2023 20:58:39 GMT
Well from the last round of results it looks like we can add P4 to the list. vjaska how many years is it now that the P4 has gained existing buses? 20 years exactly I believe as the last new buses were the 03 reg Pointer Darts - since then, it's been those Darts for a second term, then the ELBG crap from the 246 & 372 (with two interlopers allocated at one point - the MMC that went off lease 36665 and the sole 11 reg TL received once redundant from BK, 36263?) until London Central take control. Wowsers. That is a while. The run continues
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Post by mkay315 on Apr 25, 2024 7:16:01 GMT
So capitalomnibus can we add the 141 to this thread as another route that has gone many years with no new vehicles of it's own.... Until now 😂
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