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Post by jacky on Sept 5, 2024 20:12:19 GMT
I have not been keeping up with this at all, but a question for anyone who has, what problems are being solved by these changes?? I found a few maps out this morning “ explaining” the changes and it just looked like an overstimulating and confusing disaster W12 being more direct (even though it cuts off Walthamstow Village of a bus) Woodford and Buckhurst Hill gets a frequency upgrade Seems the hail and ride section in Wanstead will have no bus service at all.I am trying the Wanstead to WX bit of the route on Saturday as it goes completely different from previous. And if you are travelling from Woodford on the route it will not go where you expect it as I have run it in my minds eye . The one I think good thing is the hospital is still being serviced but even that will mean you have to ensure you use the correct bus stop for the direction you wish to travel . I can still envisage lots of problems plus the destination stated on the bus will present confusion as it will not be what you expect it to be . I will have challenges on Saturday as I can expect W12 W13 and W14 buses in the same area and at the same bus stop (I think!!)
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Post by WH241 on Sept 5, 2024 20:43:50 GMT
W12 being more direct (even though it cuts off Walthamstow Village of a bus) Woodford and Buckhurst Hill gets a frequency upgrade Seems the hail and ride section in Wanstead will have no bus service at all.I am trying the Wanstead to WX bit of the route on Saturday as it goes completely different from previous. And if you are travelling from Woodford on the route it will not go where you expect it as I have run it in my minds eye . The one I think good thing is the hospital is still being serviced but even that will mean you have to ensure you use the correct bus stop for the direction you wish to travel . I can still envisage lots of problems plus the destination stated on the bus will present confusion as it will not be what you expect it to be . I will have challenges on Saturday as I can expect W12 W13 and W14 buses in the same area and at the same bus stop (I think!!) I thought all the old sections of the W12 were being served by the revised W14 in the Wanstead area?
One thing I am not sure about is does the W14 serve Whipps Cross Hospital or just terminate where the 56 stops?
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Post by abellion on Sept 5, 2024 20:53:11 GMT
Seems the hail and ride section in Wanstead will have no bus service at all.I am trying the Wanstead to WX bit of the route on Saturday as it goes completely different from previous. And if you are travelling from Woodford on the route it will not go where you expect it as I have run it in my minds eye . The one I think good thing is the hospital is still being serviced but even that will mean you have to ensure you use the correct bus stop for the direction you wish to travel . I can still envisage lots of problems plus the destination stated on the bus will present confusion as it will not be what you expect it to be . I will have challenges on Saturday as I can expect W12 W13 and W14 buses in the same area and at the same bus stop (I think!!) I thought all the old sections of the W12 were being servered by the revised W14 in the Wanstead area?
one thing I am not sure about is does the W14 serve Whipps Cross Hospital or just terminate where the 56 stops?
The maps I saw shows the W14 terminating at the bus stand and only the W12 going into the hospital
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Post by vjaska on Sept 5, 2024 21:49:01 GMT
W12 being more direct (even though it cuts off Walthamstow Village of a bus) Woodford and Buckhurst Hill gets a frequency upgrade Seems the hail and ride section in Wanstead will have no bus service at all.I am trying the Wanstead to WX bit of the route on Saturday as it goes completely different from previous. And if you are travelling from Woodford on the route it will not go where you expect it as I have run it in my minds eye . The one I think good thing is the hospital is still being serviced but even that will mean you have to ensure you use the correct bus stop for the direction you wish to travel . I can still envisage lots of problems plus the destination stated on the bus will present confusion as it will not be what you expect it to be . I will have challenges on Saturday as I can expect W12 W13 and W14 buses in the same area and at the same bus stop (I think!!) W14 will be running over the hail & ride section in Wanstead that the W12 currently does - that’s something I did remember from looking at the map on Tuesday
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Post by routew15 on Sept 5, 2024 22:15:19 GMT
The bus stop maintainers have already started to add W13s to replace to W14 tiles. The W12 is now also done seen the stops on Shernhall Street and Fairlop Road
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 6, 2024 9:59:00 GMT
Just seen the new map explaining the changes , way too much going on it's very very confusing , they should of kept the 549 number going to be chaos tomorrow unless you have helpful drivers who like to communicate and staff on foot explaining the changes for a week or two not good .
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Post by jacky on Sept 6, 2024 10:22:13 GMT
Seems the hail and ride section in Wanstead will have no bus service at all.I am trying the Wanstead to WX bit of the route on Saturday as it goes completely different from previous. And if you are travelling from Woodford on the route it will not go where you expect it as I have run it in my minds eye . The one I think good thing is the hospital is still being serviced but even that will mean you have to ensure you use the correct bus stop for the direction you wish to travel . I can still envisage lots of problems plus the destination stated on the bus will present confusion as it will not be what you expect it to be . I will have challenges on Saturday as I can expect W12 W13 and W14 buses in the same area and at the same bus stop (I think!!) W14 will be running over the hail & ride section in Wanstead that the W12 currently does - that’s something I did remember from looking at the map on Tuesday what size will the W14 bus be as you cannot put a large bus on the hail and ride section in Wanstead due to tight bends etc .and maps are all very well but a physical bus has to drive the road
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Post by vjaska on Sept 6, 2024 11:35:52 GMT
W14 will be running over the hail & ride section in Wanstead that the W12 currently does - that’s something I did remember from looking at the map on Tuesday what size will the W14 bus be as you cannot put a large bus on the hail and ride section in Wanstead due to tight bends etc .and maps are all very well but a physical bus has to drive the road I don’t know what size bus it will be
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 6, 2024 12:23:05 GMT
W14 will be running over the hail & ride section in Wanstead that the W12 currently does - that’s something I did remember from looking at the map on Tuesday what size will the W14 bus be as you cannot put a large bus on the hail and ride section in Wanstead due to tight bends etc .and maps are all very well but a physical bus has to drive the road While the exact type hasn't been confirmed, it was mentioned that 10.8m SDs have been ordered for the W14. I would have thought something shorter like the 339's Metrocitys would have been more suitable for that section? The revised W14 is mostly replacing the 549 anyway, so unlikely to have the demand for higher capacity SDs anyway.
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Post by jacky on Sept 6, 2024 12:57:16 GMT
what size will the W14 bus be as you cannot put a large bus on the hail and ride section in Wanstead due to tight bends etc .and maps are all very well but a physical bus has to drive the road While the exact type hasn't been confirmed, it was mentioned that 10.8m SDs have been ordered for the W14. I would have thought something shorter like the 339's Metrocitys would have been more suitable for that section? The revised W14 is mostly replacing the 549 anyway, so unlikely to have the demand for higher capacity SDs anyway. plus any bus routing into the WX site has to be single decker due to restricted height demand of the Link Bridge on that site..I await tomorrow's chaos and confusion.
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Post by routew15 on Sept 6, 2024 13:04:20 GMT
While the exact type hasn't been confirmed, it was mentioned that 10.8m SDs have been ordered for the W14. I would have thought something shorter like the 339's Metrocitys would have been more suitable for that section? The revised W14 is mostly replacing the 549 anyway, so unlikely to have the demand for higher capacity SDs anyway. plus any bus routing into the WX site has to be single decker due to restricted height demand of the Link Bridge on that site..I await tomorrow's chaos and confusion. The new W14 does not serve Whipps Cross Hospital site - it terminates at Whipps Cross Bus Stand without entering the hospital. TfL has ruled out serving the hospital for now.
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 7, 2024 17:00:34 GMT
You dont realise how wild the W14 route is until you take it. Your in and out of Buckhurst Hill (as normal), in and out of South Woodford, in and out of Wanstead, Woodbine Place (without actually stopping - not sure if this is what will happen or my driver did not). Despite all those in and outs, you cant bother to go into Whipps Cross Hospital?
It did occur to me that W13 has been cleared out of Leytonstone station for the possibility of a SuperLoop route and may explain some of the chosen routings.
We all expected confusion and it was everywhere. TfL just need to use the ibus for the weeks before changes as they used to for certain things. Hopefully, another thing that can be easier with ibus 2.
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 7, 2024 17:17:48 GMT
You dont realise how wild the W14 route is until you take it. Your in and out of Buckhurst Hill (as normal), in and out of South Woodford, in and out of Wanstead, Woodbine Place (without actually stopping - not sure if this is what will happen or my driver did not). Despite all those in and outs, you cant bother to go into Whipps Cross Hospital? It did occur to me that W13 has been cleared out of Leytonstone station for the possibility of a SuperLoop route and may explain some of the chosen routings. We all expected confusion and it was everywhere. TfL just need to use the ibus for the weeks before changes as they used to for certain things. Hopefully, another thing that can be easier with ibus 2. I've been looking at the timetable on bustimes.org and there is certainly time to include a run around the Hospital. What I would like to see is standardised and consistent departure times from each terminus - say 15 minutes past each hour consistently from both Whipps Cross and Loughton. I still think this route should have been given a completely new number - say W10 or W20 - instead of taking the W14 number. Personally I would have retired the W12 number and used W14 for the Walthamstow (Coppermill) - Leytonstone - Woodford Bridge route.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2024 17:41:11 GMT
You dont realise how wild the W14 route is until you take it. Your in and out of Buckhurst Hill (as normal), in and out of South Woodford, in and out of Wanstead, Woodbine Place (without actually stopping - not sure if this is what will happen or my driver did not). Despite all those in and outs, you cant bother to go into Whipps Cross Hospital? It did occur to me that W13 has been cleared out of Leytonstone station for the possibility of a SuperLoop route and may explain some of the chosen routings. We all expected confusion and it was everywhere. TfL just need to use the ibus for the weeks before changes as they used to for certain things. Hopefully, another thing that can be easier with ibus 2. I think with changes as big as today TfL should have had staff at key points like South Woodford and Leytonstone and Wanstead. I am of course assuming they never?
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Post by abellion on Sept 7, 2024 20:18:00 GMT
You dont realise how wild the W14 route is until you take it. Your in and out of Buckhurst Hill (as normal), in and out of South Woodford, in and out of Wanstead, Woodbine Place (without actually stopping - not sure if this is what will happen or my driver did not). Despite all those in and outs, you cant bother to go into Whipps Cross Hospital? It did occur to me that W13 has been cleared out of Leytonstone station for the possibility of a SuperLoop route and may explain some of the chosen routings. We all expected confusion and it was everywhere. TfL just need to use the ibus for the weeks before changes as they used to for certain things. Hopefully, another thing that can be easier with ibus 2. I think with changes as big as today TfL should have had staff at key points like South Woodford and Leytonstone and Wanstead. I am of course assuming they never? The staff probably don’t even understand the changes themselves
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