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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 9, 2023 12:42:42 GMT
The amount of young people (early 20s and even under 18s now) who smoke or vape or do both is at alarmingly high levels. A lot of my friends vape and we're in our early 20s. I think vaping especially is seen as a fashion accessory now because people are attracted by the flavour or the colour. It doesn't help that there's posters advertising them at bus stops and on buses. But I think that young people are influenced by their friends to smoke or vape and this is where the problem lies. I think a lot of people in their teens and 20s aren't aware of the consequences or think that it won't happen to them because they're young. Your lungs can still heal if you quit at a young age (ideally before 25) but not to the same extent as those who have never smoked or vaped. I am a person who has never tried these activities because I don't think it's worth the risks. Why increase your chances of cancer or lung disease when this is totally preventable
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 9, 2023 13:33:18 GMT
Couldn't care less what people do, if you want to puff on a Cancer stick then go for it. But please just don't do it at a bus stop.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 9, 2023 13:43:44 GMT
I don’t buy the whole advertising on buses and trains encourages vaping! It’s the same with the whole junk food advertising ban.
People will do what they want regardless.
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Post by snowman on Sept 9, 2023 14:26:53 GMT
Vaping hadn't been invented when I was in my 20s
However you could smoke upstairs on London's buses.
But these days, think both are disgusting smelly habits.
As for being fashionable, there was a thing when I was at school of the thick kids (to use the term common in 1970s when I was at school, although nowadays not politically correct) smoking behind the bike sheds. The rest of us decided smoking was for those who felt they needed to look big, but hadn't matured, our standard response at secondary school was no thanks, I've already reached puberty so don't need to pretend I am big.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 9, 2023 14:46:49 GMT
The amount of young people (early 20s and even under 18s now) who smoke or vape or do both is at alarmingly high levels. A lot of my friends vape and we're in our early 20s. I think vaping especially is seen as a fashion accessory now because people are attracted by the flavour or the colour. It doesn't help that there's posters advertising them at bus stops and on buses. But I think that young people are influenced by their friends to smoke or vape and this is where the problem lies. I think a lot of people in their teens and 20s aren't aware of the consequences or think that it won't happen to them because they're young. Your lungs can still heal if you quit at a young age (ideally before 25) but not to the same extent as those who have never smoked or vaped. I am a person who has never tried these activities because I don't think it's worth the risks. Why increase your chances of cancer or lung disease when this is totally preventable In regards to smoking, I tend to think cannabis should be legalised. Perhaps not a discussion for this forum though and its a very contentious debate. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 9, 2023 15:10:47 GMT
Vaping hadn't been invented when I was in my 20s However you could smoke upstairs on London's buses. But these days, think both are disgusting smelly habits. As for being fashionable, there was a thing when I was at school of the thick kids (to use the term common in 1970s when I was at school, although nowadays not politically correct) smoking behind the bike sheds. The rest of us decided smoking was for those who felt they needed to look big, but hadn't matured, our standard response at secondary school was no thanks, I've already reached puberty so don't need to pretend I am big. At my school we had an alley behind our school but before the main road. Quite a lot of people smoked there. Don't really remember vaping existing much more than 10 years ago |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 9, 2023 15:18:24 GMT
Vaping for those who are trying to ween themselves off cigarettes is only a good thing because the vapes, whilst not entirely harmless, are nowhere near as harmful in comparison and you can get 0% nicotine vapes which my mum is currently on and is close to coming off vaping for good having used it to come off smoking. However, vaping for children and young adults who have never smoked before is as silly as taking up smoking itself - quite frankly, a waste of money and time
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Post by abellion on Sept 9, 2023 17:06:45 GMT
I don’t buy the whole advertising on buses and trains encourages vaping! It’s the same with the whole junk food advertising ban. People will do what they want regardless. True, especially as it is popular and young people will want to do what looks cool. I think that it’s strange how so much stuff is banned from advertising yet last year WHV84 was fully branded for vapes which are potentially harmful and already had a huge grasp on people, it just seems hypocritical. Apparently TfL have banned some cheese adverts now. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 9, 2023 17:29:52 GMT
Vaping for those who are trying to ween themselves off cigarettes is only a good thing because the vapes, whilst not entirely harmless, are nowhere near as harmful in comparison and you can get 0% nicotine vapes which my mum is currently on and is close to coming off vaping for good having used it to come off smoking. However, vaping for children and young adults who have never smoked before is as silly as taking up smoking itself - quite frankly, a waste of money and time I agree but honestly they don’t know the long term effects of the chemicals used in vape. Scientists are only starting to discover how harmful they are. There are stories out there of collapsing lungs and other medical conditions arising from sustained vape usage. Like cigarettes I reckon they will effectively be banned but much faster than cigarettes were. In the next 10-15 years I reckon. I personally hate the smells and I hate that teenagers use them so prolifically. Honestly I have to leave the office to beat them to the bus as after 3pm the whole rear becomes filled vape smoke. School administrators should do more to educate kids about the harmful untested chemicals in vapes. |
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Post by abellion on Sept 9, 2023 17:49:35 GMT
Vaping for those who are trying to ween themselves off cigarettes is only a good thing because the vapes, whilst not entirely harmless, are nowhere near as harmful in comparison and you can get 0% nicotine vapes which my mum is currently on and is close to coming off vaping for good having used it to come off smoking. However, vaping for children and young adults who have never smoked before is as silly as taking up smoking itself - quite frankly, a waste of money and time I agree but honestly they don’t know the long term effects of the chemicals used in vape. Scientists are only starting to discover how harmful they are. There are stories out there of collapsing lungs and other medical conditions arising from sustained vape usage. Like cigarettes I reckon they will effectively be banned but much faster than cigarettes were. In the next 10-15 years I reckon. I personally hate the smells and I hate that teenagers use them so prolifically. Honestly I have to leave the office to beat them to the bus as after 3pm the whole rear becomes filled vape smoke. School administrators should do more to educate kids about the harmful untested chemicals in vapes. Its not like schoolkids are going to care about whatever the teachers are saying and schools can't effectively control what kids do in their free time, surely they are aware of the adverse effects already. There have been viral videos online with people talking about their experiences too which millions of people will see. Banning them is just going to make the phenomonon turn into an underground scheme with people treating them like drugs, it doesn't look like there is a perfect solution at the moment. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 9, 2023 17:51:41 GMT
Couldn't care less what people do, if you want to puff on a Cancer stick then go for it. But please just don't do it at a bus stop. Completely agree at least it is not allowed at Bus Stations. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 9, 2023 17:56:39 GMT
I agree but honestly they don’t know the long term effects of the chemicals used in vape. Scientists are only starting to discover how harmful they are. There are stories out there of collapsing lungs and other medical conditions arising from sustained vape usage. Like cigarettes I reckon they will effectively be banned but much faster than cigarettes were. In the next 10-15 years I reckon. I personally hate the smells and I hate that teenagers use them so prolifically. Honestly I have to leave the office to beat them to the bus as after 3pm the whole rear becomes filled vape smoke. School administrators should do more to educate kids about the harmful untested chemicals in vapes. Its not like schoolkids are going to care about whatever the teachers are saying and schools can't effectively control what kids do in their free time, surely they are aware of the adverse effects already. There have been viral videos online with people talking about their experiences too which millions of people will see. Banning them is just going to make the phenomonon turn into an underground scheme with people treating them like drugs, it doesn't look like there is a perfect solution at the moment. Limiting sales, introducing a regulated market to ensure harmful fakes aren’t sold and banning them from public places, indoors and from public transport would effectively ban them and like cigarettes dramatically reduce their usage to the community that actually need them as an alternative to smoking like Vjaskas mother. Schools should do more to educate their kids, that is exactly what teachers are paid for and if they don’t listen then fine but vapes are just glamorised right now and that needs to be taken away. Start with banning flavours and kids will give up on them. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 9, 2023 19:00:12 GMT
Don't generally have a problem with vaping, but strongly advocate the banning of disposable vapes. Totally unnecessary use of plastics.
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Post by WH241 on Sept 9, 2023 19:17:26 GMT
Its not like schoolkids are going to care about whatever the teachers are saying and schools can't effectively control what kids do in their free time, surely they are aware of the adverse effects already. There have been viral videos online with people talking about their experiences too which millions of people will see. Banning them is just going to make the phenomonon turn into an underground scheme with people treating them like drugs, it doesn't look like there is a perfect solution at the moment. Limiting sales, introducing a regulated market to ensure harmful fakes aren’t sold and banning them from public places, indoors and from public transport would effectively ban them and like cigarettes dramatically reduce their usage to the community that actually need them as an alternative to smoking like Vjaskas mother. Schools should do more to educate their kids, that is exactly what teachers are paid for and if they don’t listen then fine but vapes are just glamorised right now and that needs to be taken away. Start with banning flavours and kids will give up on them. There is definitely an issue with school age children. Working in an environment with post 16 age group I have noticed a big issue with vapes being used in buildings and toilets, I think its save to assume this group have probably been vaping for the last few years either at school or on breaks and outside of school.
You can smell the sickle sweet smells a mile off.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 10, 2023 6:45:47 GMT
I think the smoking ban introduced in 2007 has worked very well, people are still free to smoke if they wish but they can no longer inflict it on others.
One thing I do think is over the top is attempts to ban smoking within hospital grounds, in practice it doesn't work anyway and just causes unnecessary conflict. Hospital visits for whatever reason can be very stressful and surely some sort of bus shelter can be provided for smokers to indulgence away from everyone else? It's ridiculous that patients in dressing gowns are expected to go outside the hospital grounds for a smoke and what about buses terminating within hospital grounds, the driver might want a smoke between trips.
Like many others I tried it 'behind the bike sheds' in my school days but once I could smoke legally it didn't seem so attractive and I've never smoked cigarettes since, just a very occasional cigar now and again.
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