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Post by Catford94 on Oct 11, 2023 23:09:59 GMT
I vaguely remember the 491 in Barnehurst, if I remember correctly it ran from Belvedere to Dartford and onto Horton Kirby?
Again, from Mike Harris maps -
1970 -
491 was Belvedere (same combination of Generating Station / Railway Station / Eardley Arms) then Brook Street (now not a bus route), Erith Road, Barnehurst, Northall Road (now 99), Thames Road, Crayford Way to Crayford Town Centre (now just 428), then Chastillian Road, Shepherds Lane (as current 492), to Dartford Town Centre, then joint with the 467 via Lowfield Street and Hawley Road to Horton Kirby.
(467 started at Sidcup Station, then via current 492 as far as Bexley Station, avoided Bexleyheath town centre, then via Bourne Road to Crayford, a different loop round Princes Road - mostly no longer served - to Dartford Town Centre then to Horton Kirby.)
1976 - 491 same as 1970, 467 replaced by 492 -
492 from Sidcup Station to Crayford (again, via Bourne Road and avoiding Bexleyheath town centre) to Crayford, then via Crayford Way, Thames Road, Burnham Road to Dartford Town Centre, then as 467 to Horton Kirby.
I don't have an exact date for when the 492 replaced 467, but the June 1974 timetable shows route pattern matching 1970.
It's probably worth adding that Bexleyheath probably wasn't such a major shopping destination then - the likes of Woolwich, Erith and Dartford were still more significant then. |
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Post by buspete on Oct 13, 2023 1:29:48 GMT
I guess Bexleyheath came a destination when the shopping centre opened, before then not much, however it did have a 4 screen ABC cinema. The 725/726 used to go down Bourne Road too.
Do we know when the 486 got extended to Thamesmead?
Think I read ad somewhere that a bus went down Church Road/Belvedere Road?
The Bus B15 gave the Joyden Wood estate, a massive uplift in bus services to Bexleyheath. But with the disappearance of the 400/401 and 423 scaled back those part of routes a massive lose of service.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Oct 17, 2023 18:12:20 GMT
Do we know when the 486 got extended to Thamesmead? . April 1985, according what's on Timetable Graveyard. The 401 started running there in 1983, according to the same source. |
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Post by Madstuntman on Oct 27, 2023 17:47:10 GMT
Originally the 492A run around the North Cray Estate, which is unserved by any bus route now. The 492 from what I can remember has always been a 30 minute frequency. Surprised the frequency hasn’t been upped to 15 minutes and converted to a single decker, maybe revisit the North Cray Estate again. It's been quite a few years since I've driven a 492 but it needs to be a decker for school time loadings between Bluewater and Shepherds Lane. |
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Post by buspete on Oct 29, 2023 0:34:22 GMT
I guess that is because of Dartford Grammar School, which is outside London, so that TFL is not obligated to provide a bus service.
Apart from the B12, which was the B15 the Joyden Wood Estate got a massive uplift in services, where the service has trebled compared with the old 421. However other parts between Dartford and Leyton Green has been virtually obliterated, with the 401 and 423 bus withdrawn.
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 29, 2023 10:30:03 GMT
I guess that is because of Dartford Grammar School, which is outside London, so that TFL is not obligated to provide a bus service. The majority of students who go to both the girls and boys grammars though are from the TfL area - TfL are obliged to give a service to people from the TfL area, and if that means essential services go outside the designated area, then so be it. Same with the 601 to the Wilmington schools. There would be uproar on a huge scale if the 492 and 601 were taken away. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 29, 2023 18:13:51 GMT
I guess that is because of Dartford Grammar School, which is outside London, so that TFL is not obligated to provide a bus service. The majority of students who go to both the girls and boys grammars though are from the TfL area - TfL are obliged to give a service to people from the TfL area, and if that means essential services go outside the designated area, then so be it. Same with the 601 to the Wilmington schools. There would be uproar on a huge scale if the 492 and 601 were taken away. Both the schools you mention have selective entry, so it is entirely a choice for parents to have their children sit and take the exams. I don’t think TfL would be under any obligation to provide a service to a school in Dartford but it may do so as part of an arrangement with KCC and the school themselves. Most of the kids going to these schools would no doubt be ineligible for council arranged free travel. |
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Post by buspete on Nov 7, 2023 20:35:12 GMT
I now wish I added the old London Country bus routes 450 &. 480 to this thread as they kind of operated in the same area.
Just thinking the original B14 bus route that run Bexleyheath to Erith, did this replace the old 492 along Parkside Avenue? Before that was there a bus that run from Parkside Avenue to Slade Green?
Barnehurst Village, where the 99 and 492 now go was this served by the old 492 and 486?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 19:01:06 GMT
I guess that is because of Dartford Grammar School, which is outside London, so that TFL is not obligated to provide a bus service. Apart from the B12, which was the B15 the Joyden Wood Estate got a massive uplift in services, where the service has trebled compared with the old 421. However other parts between Dartford and Leyton Green has been virtually obliterated, with the 401 and 423 bus withdrawn. Leyton’s Cross  |
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 10, 2023 19:15:11 GMT
I now wish I added the old London Country bus routes 450 &. 480 to this thread as they kind of operated in the same area. Just thinking the original B14 bus route that run Bexleyheath to Erith, did this replace the old 492 along Parkside Avenue? Before that was there a bus that run from Parkside Avenue to Slade Green? Barnehurst Village, where the 99 and 492 now go was this served by the old 492 and 486? 486 served Barnehurst Village. 492 didn’t really - it went from Bexleyheath via 229 to Barnehurst, then went right and passed Barnehurst Station, then did a left into Northall Road and followed the current 99 to the Thames Road roundabout. |
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Post by buspete on Nov 14, 2023 1:14:40 GMT
Thanks for that.
So Barnehurst Village had a bus service, every 30 minutes from the 486.
So when Bexleybus came about this was replaced by the 492 at the same frequency. However this got a boost by the new B14 that run every 20 minutes, this got replaced by the B13 if memory served me well and gave a 15 minutes service? This got replaced I think by the 469 anyone remember the frequency? Now the 99 runs the route every 10 minutes with a double decker?
Just thinking the area of Barnehurst Village and Parkside has had a massive upgrade in bus service over the last 30 years. Also I don’t think there was a link between Parkside Avenue and Slade Green Station? Which if I am right is very useful.
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Post by cardinal on Nov 14, 2023 9:16:57 GMT
The majority of students who go to both the girls and boys grammars though are from the TfL area - TfL are obliged to give a service to people from the TfL area, and if that means essential services go outside the designated area, then so be it. Same with the 601 to the Wilmington schools. There would be uproar on a huge scale if the 492 and 601 were taken away. Both the schools you mention have selective entry, so it is entirely a choice for parents to have their children sit and take the exams. I don’t think TfL would be under any obligation to provide a service to a school in Dartford but it may do so as part of an arrangement with KCC and the school themselves. Most of the kids going to these schools would no doubt be ineligible for council arranged free travel. Anyone can apply to go there as long as they get high enough marks in certain examinations. They’re not private schools with fees they are public grammar schools. Dartford along with Wilmington Grammar schools provide superb schooling and see large numbers of children from areas like Thamesmead , Woolwich , Bexleyheath , etc along with Kent. I don’t know what you are suggesting exactly about not being eligible for free travel, the kids that go to these schools are not all from rich families I can assure you of that. |
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Post by cl54 on Nov 14, 2023 9:25:43 GMT
The majority of students who go to both the girls and boys grammars though are from the TfL area - TfL are obliged to give a service to people from the TfL area, and if that means essential services go outside the designated area, then so be it. Same with the 601 to the Wilmington schools. There would be uproar on a huge scale if the 492 and 601 were taken away. Both the schools you mention have selective entry, so it is entirely a choice for parents to have their children sit and take the exams. I don’t think TfL would be under any obligation to provide a service to a school in Dartford but it may do so as part of an arrangement with KCC and the school themselves. Most of the kids going to these schools would no doubt be ineligible for council arranged free travel. TfL does run the double deck 96 route past the school. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 14, 2023 9:37:29 GMT
Both the schools you mention have selective entry, so it is entirely a choice for parents to have their children sit and take the exams. I don’t think TfL would be under any obligation to provide a service to a school in Dartford but it may do so as part of an arrangement with KCC and the school themselves. Most of the kids going to these schools would no doubt be ineligible for council arranged free travel. Anyone can apply to go there as long as they get high enough marks in certain examinations. They’re not private schools with fees they are public grammar schools. Dartford along with Wilmington Grammar schools provide superb schooling and see large numbers of children from areas like Thamesmead , Woolwich , Bexleyheath , etc along with Kent. I don’t know what you are suggesting exactly about not being eligible for free travel, the kids that go to these schools are not all from rich families I can assure you of that. Yes but the point is it is entirely a choice to send have a child sit an exam and then send them to that school. They could just as easily go to the local comprehensive rather than a school that is further away by bus or car. Regardless of whether these schools are better it is still a choice to send your child there and as a parent you have the responsibility to make sure they can get there and back safely. It isn’t down to TfL to provide a school bus when the schools in question are selective entry and beyond TfL. They are lucky they still get the 96 stopping there. As for free council travel I suggest you read up on the rules related to this as poor or not as the parents choose to send their children to the grammar schools every child would be instantly ineligible for a school to home taxi or mini-bus arranged pickup. They would get TfL passes but not direct door to door travel. |
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Post by cardinal on Nov 14, 2023 13:32:38 GMT
Anyone can apply to go there as long as they get high enough marks in certain examinations. They’re not private schools with fees they are public grammar schools. Dartford along with Wilmington Grammar schools provide superb schooling and see large numbers of children from areas like Thamesmead , Woolwich , Bexleyheath , etc along with Kent. I don’t know what you are suggesting exactly about not being eligible for free travel, the kids that go to these schools are not all from rich families I can assure you of that. Yes but the point is it is entirely a choice to send have a child sit an exam and then send them to that school. They could just as easily go to the local comprehensive rather than a school that is further away by bus or car. Regardless of whether these schools are better it is still a choice to send your child there and as a parent you have the responsibility to make sure they can get there and back safely. It isn’t down to TfL to provide a school bus when the schools in question are selective entry and beyond TfL. They are lucky they still get the 96 stopping there. As for free council travel I suggest you read up on the rules related to this as poor or not as the parents choose to send their children to the grammar schools every child would be instantly ineligible for a school to home taxi or mini-bus arranged pickup. They would get TfL passes but not direct door to door travel. Harsh opinions there. |
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