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Post by DE20106 on Jul 15, 2024 15:26:15 GMT
These ones shouldn’t have issues, these ones are Hanover screens which are known to be more reliable than the Mobitec McKenna screens which the Stagecoach 58 and 276 BZLs have. Those are the ones plagued with issues TBF, it seems to only be the 276 motors who are having major issues. The ES's N137 rear blind issue looks to have been resolved or certainly improved upon and the majority of the Caetanos at WL that had their blinds re-done, which I presume have Mobitec screens, have had no issues since this change. Nope the TUK Caetanos have Hanover
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 16, 2024 5:57:39 GMT
Today, I saw 2 unregistered Kite Electroliners on the move at Twickenham. They both surprisingly displayed Abellio on the front blind. Both were literally a minute apart heading towards Fulwell. These are most likely the R70 batch. Look like one is out on the route now as there a TMP on it
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Post by eal1ngvolvo483 on Jul 16, 2024 15:29:59 GMT
Today, I saw 2 unregistered Kite Electroliners on the move at Twickenham. They both surprisingly displayed Abellio on the front blind. Both were literally a minute apart heading towards Fulwell. These are most likely the R70 batch. Look like one is out on the route now as there a TMP on it Yep 2 of R70s intended kites are now in service
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Post by cl54 on Jul 17, 2024 10:00:26 GMT
TBF, it seems to only be the 276 motors who are having major issues. The ES's N137 rear blind issue looks to have been resolved or certainly improved upon and the majority of the Caetanos at WL that had their blinds re-done, which I presume have Mobitec screens, have had no issues since this change. Nope the TUK Caetanos have Hanover and they still have problems like buses displaying destinations in the incorrect font.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 17, 2024 10:04:39 GMT
I imagine powerblinds will only be replaced on newer buses as part of their refurbishment for a future existing bus contract, a possible example on that being the 196 with its 18 plate MMCs I thought the cost of powerblinds also went up which is also making more operators go for them rather than LEDs, which don't have to be replaced in the long run to make sure more routes are inserted or a destination rename etc. It's expensive for an LED at first, but it saves a good amount of money in the future! Power blinds with a maintenance contract covering repairs and inserts are still cheaper over the London life of a bus. (I was told this by the MD of McKenna.) The problem is that some operators don't take out the contract to save money.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jul 17, 2024 10:20:09 GMT
I thought the cost of powerblinds also went up which is also making more operators go for them rather than LEDs, which don't have to be replaced in the long run to make sure more routes are inserted or a destination rename etc. It's expensive for an LED at first, but it saves a good amount of money in the future! Power blinds with a maintenance contract covering repairs and inserts are still cheaper over the London life of a bus. (I was told this by the MD of McKenna.) The problem is that some operators don't take out the contract to save money. I assume the switch to LED blind help resale value/provide a cheaper second life out of London if the powerblind contract only lasts the London life.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 17, 2024 15:30:05 GMT
Power blinds with a maintenance contract covering repairs and inserts are still cheaper over the London life of a bus. (I was told this by the MD of McKenna.) The problem is that some operators don't take out the contract to save money. I assume the switch to LED blind help resale value/provide a cheaper second life out of London if the powerblind contract only lasts the London life. I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots.
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 17, 2024 17:33:07 GMT
I assume the switch to LED blind help resale value/provide a cheaper second life out of London if the powerblind contract only lasts the London life. I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. Not true, as Nottingham City Transport also specified high-resolution Hanover LED blinds with full colour displays, which they use the colour background on the route number reflecting the route's colour on their Yutong electrics.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 17, 2024 17:40:25 GMT
I assume the switch to LED blind help resale value/provide a cheaper second life out of London if the powerblind contract only lasts the London life. I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. The electric buses in Norwich looked absolutely fine to me.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 17, 2024 17:46:54 GMT
Wright Streetdeck Electroliner 3080 has been given an allover white-based wrap for the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden. Although nominally a route 133 vehicles, it is pictured here on route 306 (not my photo): flic.kr/p/2q4Gi8y
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 17, 2024 18:27:00 GMT
I assume the switch to LED blind help resale value/provide a cheaper second life out of London if the powerblind contract only lasts the London life. I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. There’s nothing wrong with the Norwich ones imo. I’m actually very impressed at how clear the number is inside the display, they’ve done a good job programming them imo, and I think actually look quite futuristic with the bright white display and the coloured number Although I agree it’s a regular dot matrix screen which you find in nearly every provincial bus fleet, and not the high resolution you find on London’s LED screens Although having been on 11 of the Norwich Electroliners now, I do find them somewhat mediocre, if quiet. They’re okay but nothing amazing, certainly don’t make you go ‘WOW’ as you get on them. My opinion of most Electroliners tbh Although back on topic I love the TUK Electroliners, but that’s more because TUK’s brilliant bright interior flatters it tbh, a bright interior is so needed on those vehicles with the small windows (which I detest)
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Post by cl54 on Jul 18, 2024 6:14:23 GMT
I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. Not true, as Nottingham City Transport also specified high-resolution Hanover LED blinds with full colour displays, which they use the colour background on the route number reflecting the route's colour on their Yutong electrics. One operator doesn't make it untrue. Nottingham has always had higher standards.
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Post by cl54 on Jul 18, 2024 6:18:26 GMT
I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. There’s nothing wrong with the Norwich ones imo. I’m actually very impressed at how clear the number is inside the display, they’ve done a good job programming them imo, and I think actually look quite futuristic with the bright white display and the coloured number Although I agree it’s a regular dot matrix screen which you find in nearly every provincial bus fleet, and not the high resolution you find on London’s LED screens Although having been on 11 of the Norwich Electroliners now, I do find them somewhat mediocre, if quiet. They’re okay but nothing amazing, certainly don’t make you go ‘WOW’ as you get on them. My opinion of most Electroliners tbh Although back on topic I love the TUK Electroliners, but that’s more because TUK’s brilliant bright interior flatters it tbh, a bright interior is so needed on those vehicles with the small windows (which I detest) Norwich buses used to have good colour route branding. There is nothing now on the buses or stops to explain the colour background to the route number.
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 18, 2024 6:28:25 GMT
There’s nothing wrong with the Norwich ones imo. I’m actually very impressed at how clear the number is inside the display, they’ve done a good job programming them imo, and I think actually look quite futuristic with the bright white display and the coloured number Although I agree it’s a regular dot matrix screen which you find in nearly every provincial bus fleet, and not the high resolution you find on London’s LED screens Although having been on 11 of the Norwich Electroliners now, I do find them somewhat mediocre, if quiet. They’re okay but nothing amazing, certainly don’t make you go ‘WOW’ as you get on them. My opinion of most Electroliners tbh Although back on topic I love the TUK Electroliners, but that’s more because TUK’s brilliant bright interior flatters it tbh, a bright interior is so needed on those vehicles with the small windows (which I detest) Norwich buses used to have good colour route branding. There is nothing now on the buses or stops to explain the colour background to the route number. Thats a good thing, the coloured screen is enough with coloured routes on the online and bus stop timetables, and next-stop display. They got rid of coloured buses because of the lack of flexibility around it, and when there were breakdowns wrong colours got sent on the wrong routes etc. Operationally it’s a FAR better idea to have universally coloured buses and coloured screens which can change themselves depending on the colour
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jul 18, 2024 16:16:10 GMT
I don't think operators outside the capital will want a London spec display if the buy a bus. Cheap and nasty is the usual choice as I saw on the expensive electric buses in Norwich last week. Big dots. There’s nothing wrong with the Norwich ones imo. I’m actually very impressed at how clear the number is inside the display, they’ve done a good job programming them imo, and I think actually look quite futuristic with the bright white display and the coloured number Although I agree it’s a regular dot matrix screen which you find in nearly every provincial bus fleet, and not the high resolution you find on London’s LED screens Although having been on 11 of the Norwich Electroliners now, I do find them somewhat mediocre, if quiet. They’re okay but nothing amazing, certainly don’t make you go ‘WOW’ as you get on them. My opinion of most Electroliners tbh Although back on topic I love the TUK Electroliners, but that’s more because TUK’s brilliant bright interior flatters it tbh, a bright interior is so needed on those vehicles with the small windows (which I detest) Agreed - I really liked the Norwich Electroliner displays when I was over there, and was really quite impressed with the vehicles as a whole. As a lower deck interior (I don't go upstairs generally) I thought it was far superior to the BYD/ADL DDs. With the First livery and interior I thought they looked really good, but I'd imagine it would be that bit better with the Arriva interior. Gutted the 243 isn't getting Electroliners, although I am yet to try the BZL!
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