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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 2:31:24 GMT
I don’t know what Khan can possibly do differently now as opposed to his first two terms, I’m not optimistic either, he’s a bad mayor who won on apathy from the right pretty much. It has to be said though but Silened isn’t wrong about the stark contrasts between Inner and Outer London, other cities seem mostly unified barring a couple of wards, but London really is divided between by a Labour voting centre and a Tory voting suburban area. It's not as simple as an Inner/Outer divide.
In the outer London boroughs of Enfield/Haringey, twice as many people voted for Sadiq as voted for Susan.
And in Hounslow/Richmond/Kingston Sadiq got 11,000 more votes than Susan.
It's also really beyond the point. SILENCED really just wants homogeneous areas in a political sense because no one with his political position would win in London hence why he wants to chop London in two alongside boundaries where a Susan Hall would win one of them. In other words that's gerrymandering. The reality, because let's face it, Outer London devolution will never happen, is that all the Tories had to do was choose a candidate who would be able to win sufficient votes, it could've been picking up more Outer London votes (Susan managed to *lose* votes compared to Shaun Bailey remarkably in some Outer London boroughs -- maybe someone with the same policies but giving an impression of competency and likeability would've worked) or to tap into the voter base in Inner London. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 4:32:19 GMT
It's not as simple as an Inner/Outer divide.
In the outer London boroughs of Enfield/Haringey, twice as many people voted for Sadiq as voted for Susan.
And in Hounslow/Richmond/Kingston Sadiq got 11,000 more votes than Susan.
It's also really beyond the point. SILENCED really just wants homogeneous areas in a political sense because no one with his political position would win in London hence why he wants to chop London in two alongside boundaries where a Susan Hall would win one of them. In other words that's gerrymandering. The reality, because let's face it, Outer London devolution will never happen, is that all the Tories had to do was choose a candidate who would be able to win sufficient votes, it could've been picking up more Outer London votes (Susan managed to *lose* votes compared to Shaun Bailey remarkably in some Outer London boroughs -- maybe someone with the same policies but giving an impression of competency and likeability would've worked) or to tap into the voter base in Inner London. There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 4:35:16 GMT
The main issue with an anti ULEZ policy was that it's effectively effecting less and less people and therefore was unlikely to sustain any voter base. Hence why she started (falsely) pushing the idea that Khan was on his way to implement pay-per-mile (and in effect turned it onto a referendum into that -- and lost it). I agree. Her campaign and the screeching that she regularly done was an embarrassment. She turned the whole thing into an “anti-Khan” campaign and there’s only so far that can take you. I remember when she was asked the bus fare one of the first thing she said was “I know Sadiq Khan’s cut a lot of bus routes” - a perfect example of not being on top of the brief and diverting back to this whole “anti-SK” rhetoric. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 5:29:24 GMT
It's also really beyond the point. SILENCED really just wants homogeneous areas in a political sense because no one with his political position would win in London hence why he wants to chop London in two alongside boundaries where a Susan Hall would win one of them. In other words that's gerrymandering. The reality, because let's face it, Outer London devolution will never happen, is that all the Tories had to do was choose a candidate who would be able to win sufficient votes, it could've been picking up more Outer London votes (Susan managed to *lose* votes compared to Shaun Bailey remarkably in some Outer London boroughs -- maybe someone with the same policies but giving an impression of competency and likeability would've worked) or to tap into the voter base in Inner London. There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. It's not about getting over it, it's the fact that people in areas like Orpington and Biggin Hill didn't vote for Sadiq Khan, and presumably voting figures will bear that out, and as far as they're concerned if Inner London voted for him then they can have him. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 5:33:45 GMT
There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. It's not about getting over it, it's the fact that people in areas like Orpington and Biggin Hill didn't vote for Sadiq Khan, and presumably voting figures will bear that out, and as far as they're concerned if Inner London voted for him then they can have him. But people in Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond did? So your analogy is flawed. I don’t think Biggin Hill sets the world on fire in terms of population either. In the 2019 general election people in Gateshead, Hartlepool, Leeds, Doncaster, Poplar, Dulwich and Ealing etc didn’t vote for the Tory government but should they have something different? |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 5:49:11 GMT
It's not about getting over it, it's the fact that people in areas like Orpington and Biggin Hill didn't vote for Sadiq Khan, and presumably voting figures will bear that out, and as far as they're concerned if Inner London voted for him then they can have him. But people in Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond did? So your analogy is flawed. I don’t think Biggin Hill sets the world on fire in terms of population either. In the 2019 general election people in Gateshead, Hartlepool, Leeds, Doncaster, Poplar, Dulwich and Ealing etc didn’t vote for the Tory government but should they have something different? That's true about Biggin Hill hence why they have no air pollution problem and object strongly to the ULEZ expansion which is basically what this is all about. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 6:46:20 GMT
Susan Hall could only have a hope of winning if Labour didn’t field a candidate full stop - no amount of turnout was getting her in given her whole campaign was just Outer London based - she didn’t even bother to try and make inroads in Inner London where there are plenty of people tired of him. Thank goodness she flopped as expected anyway, I’m not in the business of having far right candidates running London and it was excellent to see Count Binface beat the racists are Britain First I just hope when it comes to the general election, all the parties & voters that are right of centre, put aside their differences and vote for the realistic party that will keep out labour, regardless of what's gone in recent years. Indeed and whatever people think about the current government do they really expect anything better from the current Labour Party? |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 6:49:44 GMT
But people in Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond did? So your analogy is flawed. I don’t think Biggin Hill sets the world on fire in terms of population either. In the 2019 general election people in Gateshead, Hartlepool, Leeds, Doncaster, Poplar, Dulwich and Ealing etc didn’t vote for the Tory government but should they have something different? That's true about Biggin Hill hence why they have no air pollution problem and object strongly to the ULEZ expansion which is basically what this is all about. Exactly what is about? BTW you totally glossed over the point I made about Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond…. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 6:52:49 GMT
I just hope when it comes to the general election, all the parties & voters that are right of centre, put aside their differences and vote for the realistic party that will keep out labour, regardless of what's gone in recent years. Indeed and whatever people think about the current government do they really expect anything better from the current Labour Party? Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. |
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Post by greenboy on May 5, 2024 7:09:17 GMT
That's true about Biggin Hill hence why they have no air pollution problem and object strongly to the ULEZ expansion which is basically what this is all about. Exactly what is about? BTW you totally glossed over the point I made about Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond…. If it weren't for the ULEZ expansion most people in Biggin Hill probably wouldn't much care about the mayoral election. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 7:12:30 GMT
Exactly what is about? BTW you totally glossed over the point I made about Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond…. If it weren't for the ULEZ expansion most people in Biggin Hill probably wouldn't much care about the mayoral election. You keep harping on about Biggin Hill as if it’s this big London Town. It’s a population of 10k vs nearly 9 million in the whole of London. |
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Post by lundnah on May 5, 2024 7:37:50 GMT
In an attempt to look forwards, here are the bus-related policies in the winning candidate's manifesto...
- Deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet by 2030.
- Expand bus services in outer London, including a second Superloop.
- Explore the potential to run Superloop-style express bus services while we wait to complete major transport projects.
- Launch a new plan to cut bus waiting times.
- Explore new approaches to increase bus ridership and improve the passenger experience, including adding WiFi and phone charging points.
- Work with a Labour government to explore the potential benefts and means of bringing bus operations into public ownership.
- Increase CCTV on bus shelters.
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 7:38:44 GMT
Indeed and whatever people think about the current government do they really expect anything better from the current Labour Party? Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 7:39:32 GMT
I disagree. Different consultations get treated differently and Superloop 2 will definitely be on the agenda as it's more high profile and affects most of the city. The first Superloop was delivered in good time after it was dreamt up and nothing got dropped or significantly altered Yes but that had a deadline of an election. Or am I just being synical. Yes you are being cynical. Who on here voted for Khan rather than Hall because a Superloop route had been introduced, or knows anyone who did? |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 7:41:49 GMT
I got only a single leaflet from her which really shows her dedication to inner London. Lab, Lib and Greens bothered with the first two even sending with door knockers. You wouldn't think that she was from the party governing the country based on this. I Still think Paul Scully would have cut through a bit better having been minister for London and being a bit younger. Or Justine Greening, if she hadn't been edged out of the party because she could not support Boris Johnson's Brexit proposals. She has represented a London constituency and would have been a strong candidate. |
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