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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 7:41:50 GMT
It's not about getting over it, it's the fact that people in areas like Orpington and Biggin Hill didn't vote for Sadiq Khan, and presumably voting figures will bear that out, and as far as they're concerned if Inner London voted for him then they can have him. But people in Hounslow, Kingston and Richmond did? So your analogy is flawed. I don’t think Biggin Hill sets the world on fire in terms of population either. In the 2019 general election people in Gateshead, Hartlepool, Leeds, Doncaster, Poplar, Dulwich and Ealing etc didn’t vote for the Tory government but should they have something different? After the Brexit vote Khan launched a “London Stays” campaign to keep London in the EU, even though the outer SE/E/NW boroughs voted for Brexit |
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 7:43:49 GMT
It's also really beyond the point. SILENCED really just wants homogeneous areas in a political sense because no one with his political position would win in London hence why he wants to chop London in two alongside boundaries where a Susan Hall would win one of them. In other words that's gerrymandering. The reality, because let's face it, Outer London devolution will never happen, is that all the Tories had to do was choose a candidate who would be able to win sufficient votes, it could've been picking up more Outer London votes (Susan managed to *lose* votes compared to Shaun Bailey remarkably in some Outer London boroughs -- maybe someone with the same policies but giving an impression of competency and likeability would've worked) or to tap into the voter base in Inner London. There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 7:44:47 GMT
There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. In your opinion the worst yes, but not the opinion of London? I’ve heard my local nursery has places free. |
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Post by ibus246 on May 5, 2024 7:47:52 GMT
Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer Exactly - so they shouldn’t keep using those as excuses for their poor management then should they. They done more than eff up - they should be out of power for a very long long time. Labour will inherit a total and chaotic mess - left by the filthy tories. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 7:50:11 GMT
Sadiq Khan heckled by Britain First candidate just moments into victory speechSadiq Khan only managed to say ‘Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you London’ before an outbreak of boos from the crowdwww.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mayoral-election-results-sadiq-khan-susan-hall-britain-first-b1155739.htmlLondon Assembly results are finalisedOverall, Labour won 38.4% of the vote, with the Conservatives on 26.2%. The result means the political make-up of the assembly is: Labour 11 Conservatives 8 Greens 3 Lib Dems 2, and Reform UK 1 There is one member for each of the 14 constituencies and 11 additional members, based on a proportion of the overall result. Interesting, it means Labour are two short of an overall majority on the Assembly. It puts the Greens or the Lib Dems in a strong position and could yet prove to be a thorn in Khan's side if there is disagreement on certain topics. A good result for progressive parties and their supporters though. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 8:02:23 GMT
Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer The whole world went through Covid, but the UK had one of the worst excess death rates because of the Government's poor handling of the situation. Economically we also have one of the weakest recoveries - again because of the Government's poor handling of the economy. You can see the effects of Tory policy every time you see someone sleeping in a shop doorway or underpass. Street homelessness was something that had been almost totally eradicated last time we had a Labour Government. It will not be sunshine and roses under Starmer's Labour. The country is in a huge mess due to Conservative mismanagement and will take a long time to get back on its feet. It does look like people are willing to give Labour that chance now. |
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Post by yunus on May 5, 2024 8:16:58 GMT
In an attempt to look forwards, here are the bus-related policies in the winning candidate's manifesto...
- Deliver a 100 per cent zero-emission bus fleet by 2030.
- Expand bus services in outer London, including a second Superloop.
- Explore the potential to run Superloop-style express bus services while we wait to complete major transport projects.
- Launch a new plan to cut bus waiting times.
- Explore new approaches to increase bus ridership and improve the passenger experience, including adding WiFi and phone charging points.
- Work with a Labour government to explore the potential benefts and means of bringing bus operations into public ownership.
- Increase CCTV on bus shelters.
The date for a full ZE bus fleet keeps flopping between 2030 & 34! |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 8:17:02 GMT
What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer The whole world went through Covid, but the UK had one of the worst excess death rates because of the Government's poor handling of the situation. Economically we also have one of the weakest recoveries - again because of the Government's poor handling of the economy. You can see the effects of Tory policy every time you see someone sleeping in a shop doorway or underpass. Street homelessness was something that had been almost totally eradicated last time we had a Labour Government. It will not be sunshine and roses under Starmer's Labour. The country is in a huge mess due to Conservative mismanagement and will take a long time to get back on its feet. It does look like people are willing to give Labour that chance now. The excess deaths comment is a bit subjective. There was no agreed way of recording data. So some countries only recorded and released figures purely of Covid deaths i.e no other underlying conditions etc. Whereas here doctors were recording it within the other causes. There are numerous stories of family members in the UK having to argue doctors into removing it as a suspected cause. So on paper the UK may have had a high excess death rate but the reality is we really won’t ever know the true figures as many of those that died would have been waiting for treatment or had their doctor visits delayed by covid. |
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 8:26:08 GMT
Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. In your opinion the worst yes, but not the opinion of London? I’ve heard my local nursery has places free. It was a 40% voter turnout, hardly showing signs of enthusiasm for Khan. What about your nursery? What’s that got to do with anything? |
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Post by route53 on May 5, 2024 8:29:57 GMT
What’s Russia and Ukraine got to do with the Tories? Britain has been a staunch ally of Ukraine, Covid? The whole world went through that. I remember the Blair years in the 00s well, people would always refer back to the Thatcher years of the 80s as a whataboutism. The Tories effed up, but let’s not pretend things will be sunshine and roses under Starmer Exactly - so they shouldn’t keep using those as excuses for their poor management then should they. They done more than eff up - they should be out of power for a very long long time. Labour will inherit a total and chaotic mess - left by the filthy tories. Much like how the Tories inherited a note that said “no money left” back in 2010. Neither the Tories nor Labour deserve a chance to be anywhere near government but sadly our FPTP system means we’re stuck in a endless tennis match between two parties that are out of steam and are at this point only elected because the other one has been in power for too long. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 8:30:39 GMT
Sadiq Khan heckled by Britain First candidate just moments into victory speechSadiq Khan only managed to say ‘Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you London’ before an outbreak of boos from the crowdwww.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-mayoral-election-results-sadiq-khan-susan-hall-britain-first-b1155739.htmlLondon Assembly results are finalisedOverall, Labour won 38.4% of the vote, with the Conservatives on 26.2%. The result means the political make-up of the assembly is: Labour 11 Conservatives 8 Greens 3 Lib Dems 2, and Reform UK 1 There is one member for each of the 14 constituencies and 11 additional members, based on a proportion of the overall result. Interesting, it means Labour are two short of an overall majority on the Assembly. It puts the Greens or the Lib Dems in a strong position and could yet prove to be a thorn in Khan's side if there is disagreement on certain topics. A good result for progressive parties and their supporters though. Why? The assembly is toothless, has zero power. They ask questions, but don't actually have any power. The role of Mayor is effectively a tyranny! |
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Post by wirewiper on May 5, 2024 8:37:39 GMT
The whole world went through Covid, but the UK had one of the worst excess death rates because of the Government's poor handling of the situation. Economically we also have one of the weakest recoveries - again because of the Government's poor handling of the economy. You can see the effects of Tory policy every time you see someone sleeping in a shop doorway or underpass. Street homelessness was something that had been almost totally eradicated last time we had a Labour Government. It will not be sunshine and roses under Starmer's Labour. The country is in a huge mess due to Conservative mismanagement and will take a long time to get back on its feet. It does look like people are willing to give Labour that chance now. The excess deaths comment is a bit subjective. There was no agreed way of recording data. So some countries only recorded and released figures purely of Covid deaths i.e no other underlying conditions etc. Whereas here doctors were recording it within the other causes. There are numerous stories of family members in the UK having to argue doctors into removing it as a suspected cause. So on paper the UK may have had a high excess death rate but the reality is we really won’t ever know the true figures as many of those that died would have been waiting for treatment or had their doctor visits delayed by covid. My excess deaths comment refers to all causes, not just those who died directly from covid but also those who died because other treatments were not available during the crisis, or because people were reluctant to go into healthcare settings. Even today we have people who are sicker than they would have been, because they had treatment cancelled or postponed due to lack of capacity in the health service whilst it was dealing with the covid emergency, or because they were unable or unwiling to seek timely intervention. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 5, 2024 8:38:10 GMT
Indeed and whatever people think about the current government do they really expect anything better from the current Labour Party? Yes they do. The tories have had 14 years to impress and they’ve failed to make things better. Covid, Russia, Ukraine - always someone else’s fault. If there was huge appetite for them they’d be miles ahead in polls but alas they’re not and he’s too scared to call an election. People always harp on about what Labour was like last time it was in government way over a decade ago as if that’s any comparison to today. Whilst that 2nd sentence is true, it could easily say The London Mayor had 8 years to impress and they've failed to make things better. In fact things have got worse, he just blames everyone else other than himself, and gullible Londoners have just said we want more of this crap! |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 5, 2024 8:41:31 GMT
The excess deaths comment is a bit subjective. There was no agreed way of recording data. So some countries only recorded and released figures purely of Covid deaths i.e no other underlying conditions etc. Whereas here doctors were recording it within the other causes. There are numerous stories of family members in the UK having to argue doctors into removing it as a suspected cause. So on paper the UK may have had a high excess death rate but the reality is we really won’t ever know the true figures as many of those that died would have been waiting for treatment or had their doctor visits delayed by covid. My excess deaths comment refers to all causes, not just those who died directly from covid but also those who died because other treatments were not available during the crisis, or because people were reluctant to go into healthcare settings. Even today we have people who are sicker than they would have been, because they had treatment cancelled or postponed due to lack of capacity in the health service whilst it was dealing with the covid emergency, or because they were unable or unwiling to seek timely intervention. Like I said other countries weren’t including things like this in their officially published figures so whilst it is technically correct to say the UK excess deaths was amongst the highest excess deaths there is absolutely no way to verify this. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 5, 2024 8:54:20 GMT
There was 0 talk of splitting up London prior to the election but suddenly those like SILENCED didn’t like the result and thus want the system changed to suit them. It’s astonishing that people can hold this view and so loudly as well. The FPTP system used in this mayoral election also made it harder for SK to win. It’s typical tory talk to even discuss changing the system when an election doesn’t go their way. When BJ won in 2012 I don’t recall discussion of a similar nature. SK won fairly and squarely (and no there wasn’t voter postal fraud) as some right wing individuals have suggested. Get over it. Bit hard to “get over it” when the worst mayor this city has ever had gets a third term to mess it up even more. Well the voters are quite happy to have him stay. Those who didn't turn up effectively voted for Khan by not doing so. |
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