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Post by vjaska on Mar 31, 2024 11:46:40 GMT
Oh yes they are far better, solely by not being the Conservatives who don't know what they're doing and do nothing to help the struggling in the community. So basically you just want a repeat of the 97-10 era where everyone was given every possible handout under the sun despite the fact that it has fostered in this entitled attitude so that so many who grew up in that era now have? Even though the current Labour have made it clear they don’t intend to increase benefits and have indicated they won’t really change much from the current governments distribution models? I’d absolutely love a repeat of the 97-10 era because it’s the best era politically I’ve lived through. Since 2010, we’ve had abhorrent austerity needlessly forced upon us by the Tories whilst before 97, it was a government continuing the mass decline of working class areas rather than investing into them so given that choice, I’m absolutely going to pick 97-10. The entitled attitude doesn’t come from merely benefits, it comes from a breakdown in society in a number of things - if it was solely from things like benefits, the 70’s & 80’s would have a lot of entitled people from those who fiddle the system be it electricity meters, paying tax, etc |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 13:03:09 GMT
Oh, Labour will be better, at least initially. The grotesque sense of entitlement the Conservatives will have if they somehow beat the odds in the general election will not be pretty for the country. But as with all governments, even the (presumed ) next Labour one will eventually run out of gas in some way, shape or form. No-one knows how, or when, but happen it will. I can’t understand anyone who will just vote for a specific party because that’s what they’ve always done. Are you really expecting much change. Labour politicians are exactly the same as Conservative politicians, all are self centred w⚓s. Very few party aligned politians care about the man in the street, they are just in it for themselves. Not really saying either lot is exceptionally better or worse than the other ... both inept. It will be interesting to see how Labour do, as when they traditionally come to power the economy is normally in a pretty good shape, which they ruin and hand over to the conservatives. This time they will take over with the economy royally screwed. There is no wiggle room at the moment form either party, so not sure what you are expecting from a new government, it will be much of the same. It will remain that way until the issue that is the NHS is sorted. It can't continue to keep hemorrhaging cash at the rate it does, slowly increasing the percentage of GDP. How they do that, thankfully I am not a politician to decide, but we need a government that is not frightened to tackle the issue, as the longer we leave it, the deeper the more hole the country finds itself in. Unfortunately can't see either party having the balls to face up to this problem, as for some reason the public seem to think we should just keep shoveling money into the cash cow in an uncontrolled manner. In 2008 it was actually Conservative hysteria which crashed the economy, nothing of Labour's own doing. |
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 31, 2024 13:07:09 GMT
Labour are no better and I don’t feel like anything is going to be different. Oh yes they are far better, solely by not being the Conservatives who don't know what they're doing and do nothing to help the struggling in the community. I just hope you never need an ambulance or fire engine, as both are charged ULEZ by Khan! Care to explain how Khan taxing the poorest drivers is helping those struggling? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 13:11:04 GMT
Oh yes they are far better, solely by not being the Conservatives who don't know what they're doing and do nothing to help the struggling in the community. I just hope you never need an ambulance or fire engine, as both are charged ULEZ by Khan! Care to explain how Khan taxing the poorest drivers is helping those struggling? I don't think ambulances or fire engines refuse to attend call outs because of ULEZ. I also don't agree with the ULEZ expansion but it's been implemented and people have now dealt with it. If Hall was to scrap it she'd very quickly find a black hole in TfL's finances. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 31, 2024 13:13:26 GMT
Oh yes they are far better, solely by not being the Conservatives who don't know what they're doing and do nothing to help the struggling in the community. I just hope you never need an ambulance or fire engine, as both are charged ULEZ by Khan! Care to explain how Khan taxing the poorest drivers is helping those struggling? Your statement is misleading. All serving ambulances and fire engines are compliant so would not be subject to ULEZ charges. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2024 13:21:23 GMT
I just hope you never need an ambulance or fire engine, as both are charged ULEZ by Khan! Care to explain how Khan taxing the poorest drivers is helping those struggling? Your statement is misleading. All serving ambulances and fire engines are compliant so would not be subject to ULEZ charges. Exemption ends in 2025 so the ambulance trust is having to spend £65million to upgrade their fleet this year |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 13:36:24 GMT
Your statement is misleading. All serving ambulances and fire engines are compliant so would not be subject to ULEZ charges. Exemption ends in 2025 so the ambulance trust is having to spend £65million to upgrade their fleet this year Isn't it a good thing if ambulances are upgrading their vehicles to meet emission standards? |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2024 13:37:57 GMT
Exemption ends in 2025 so the ambulance trust is having to spend £65million to upgrade their fleet this year Isn't it a good thing if ambulances are upgrading their vehicles to meet emission standards? Is it good health spending in London is being diverted for spending on assets that are not life expired. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2024 13:39:53 GMT
I just hope you never need an ambulance or fire engine, as both are charged ULEZ by Khan! Care to explain how Khan taxing the poorest drivers is helping those struggling? I don't think ambulances or fire engines refuse to attend call outs because of ULEZ. I also don't agree with the ULEZ expansion but it's been implemented and people have now dealt with it. If Hall was to scrap it she'd very quickly find a black hole in TfL's finances. How exactly, by 2026 ULEZ is TfLs black hole ... according to projections income will not exceed expense ... the get Sadiq rich scheme only has a limited life span. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 13:41:15 GMT
I don't think ambulances or fire engines refuse to attend call outs because of ULEZ. I also don't agree with the ULEZ expansion but it's been implemented and people have now dealt with it. If Hall was to scrap it she'd very quickly find a black hole in TfL's finances. How exactly, by 2026 ULEZ is TfLs black hole ... according to projections income will not exceed expense ... the get Sadiq rich scheme only has a limited life span. If income will not exceed expense then surely the people that claim it's a cash grab will realise that it's not? |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 13:42:13 GMT
Isn't it a good thing if ambulances are upgrading their vehicles to meet emission standards? Is it good health spending in London is being diverted for spending on assets that are not life expired. While pollution has only killed one person, pollution itself acts as a factor in people's health sp I'd say that's good expenditure. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2024 13:42:30 GMT
Are you really expecting much change. Labour politicians are exactly the same as Conservative politicians, all are self centred w⚓s. Very few party aligned politians care about the man in the street, they are just in it for themselves. Not really saying either lot is exceptionally better or worse than the other ... both inept. It will be interesting to see how Labour do, as when they traditionally come to power the economy is normally in a pretty good shape, which they ruin and hand over to the conservatives. This time they will take over with the economy royally screwed. There is no wiggle room at the moment form either party, so not sure what you are expecting from a new government, it will be much of the same. It will remain that way until the issue that is the NHS is sorted. It can't continue to keep hemorrhaging cash at the rate it does, slowly increasing the percentage of GDP. How they do that, thankfully I am not a politician to decide, but we need a government that is not frightened to tackle the issue, as the longer we leave it, the deeper the more hole the country finds itself in. Unfortunately can't see either party having the balls to face up to this problem, as for some reason the public seem to think we should just keep shoveling money into the cash cow in an uncontrolled manner. In 2008 it was actually Conservative hysteria which crashed the economy, nothing of Labour's own doing. Hang on so the opposition caused it? Even though we are in power, not our fault jack! |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 31, 2024 13:47:38 GMT
Is it good health spending in London is being diverted for spending on assets that are not life expired. While pollution has only killed one person, pollution itself acts as a factor in people's health sp I'd say that's good expenditure. Please never complain about spending on NHS then, if spending on replacements for non-life expired assets is good value ... No wonder it is such a cash cow. And don't know about you, but my local air monitoring station has not changed post ULEZ ... it was constantly good pre ULEZ, and still good post ULEZ. Zero improvement. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 31, 2024 14:16:25 GMT
While pollution has only killed one person, pollution itself acts as a factor in people's health sp I'd say that's good expenditure. Please never complain about spending on NHS then, if spending on replacements for non-life expired assets is good value ... No wonder it is such a cash cow. And don't know about you, but my local air monitoring station has not changed post ULEZ ... it was constantly good pre ULEZ, and still good post ULEZ. Zero improvement. Unfortunately I don't think it works having exemptions for certain roads just because of air quality levels. It needs to be a blanket system for all of outer London, or none of outer London. I said myself I'm not supportive of it in outer London but it's been introduced now and it would be a retrograde step removing it. The asset itself might not be life expired, but if it's contributing to ill health then it is a saving for the NHS in the grand scheme. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 31, 2024 22:32:48 GMT
Please never complain about spending on NHS then, if spending on replacements for non-life expired assets is good value ... No wonder it is such a cash cow. And don't know about you, but my local air monitoring station has not changed post ULEZ ... it was constantly good pre ULEZ, and still good post ULEZ. Zero improvement. Unfortunately I don't think it works having exemptions for certain roads just because of air quality levels. It needs to be a blanket system for all of outer London, or none of outer London. I said myself I'm not supportive of it in outer London but it's been introduced now and it would be a retrograde step removing it. The asset itself might not be life expired, but if it's contributing to ill health then it is a saving for the NHS in the grand scheme. But surely by that logic we shouldn’t be using the tube as according to reports it’s 20 times as toxic as roadside air? Perhaps TfL should start there to save the NHS money in the long term. How many asthma sufferers get worse due to persistent tube usage? |
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