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Post by mondraker275 on Apr 17, 2024 7:29:33 GMT
The loop is more for locals than for interchange. It only occurs towards Crossharbour and therefore the interchange is only with 205 really but you could easily take any other bus from Stratford to interchange with that if you wanted the 205. Therefore, the loop only benefits very few locals from the two stops it serves there. I suspect most people who take D8 from there either go to Bromley by Bow for Tesco/station/school (which could be done by walking/488) or to Poplar (which could be done by 108/or walking to D8). There are also links with the 8 and 488 at Bow Church. I used to alight from the 8 and catch a 108 there many times. 488 falls in the same category as 205 in that if you needed 488, you could take any bus from Stratford. I was thinking about 8 to Tottenham Court Rd but you make a valid point about terminating 8s. Having said that I dont think many people are making that interchange to make onwards journeys that can only be done by D8 as exampled above. The benefits of removing the loop will outweigh any loses. It is borderline useless but definitely annoying!
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Post by Alexis on Apr 17, 2024 7:44:51 GMT
There are also links with the 8 and 488 at Bow Church. I used to alight from the 8 and catch a 108 there many times. 488 falls in the same category as 205 in that if you needed 488, you could take any bus from Stratford. I was thinking about 8 to Tottenham Court Rd but you make a valid point about terminating 8s. Having said that I dont think many people are making that interchange to make onwards journeys that can only be done by D8 as exampled above. The benefits of removing the loop will outweigh any loses. It is borderline useless but definitely annoying! I disagree, I used to live in the area and the Bow Church stop is very useful to have as Bow roundabout is not very pleasant to cross as a pedestrian, both for people coming from Stratford or boarding at Bow Church. It doesn't add that much time so should definitely be kept.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 17, 2024 11:08:25 GMT
There are also links with the 8 and 488 at Bow Church. I used to alight from the 8 and catch a 108 there many times. 488 falls in the same category as 205 in that if you needed 488, you could take any bus from Stratford. I was thinking about 8 to Tottenham Court Rd but you make a valid point about terminating 8s. Having said that I dont think many people are making that interchange to make onwards journeys that can only be done by D8 as exampled above. The benefits of removing the loop will outweigh any loses. It is borderline useless but definitely annoying! But if there are people using it, then it has use and so isn’t useless
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Post by tooting395 on Apr 17, 2024 12:10:38 GMT
The 359, wouldn’t call it useless but probably could have some more purpose with a frequency increase or extension
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Post by greenboy on Apr 17, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
The 359, wouldn’t call it useless but probably could have some more purpose with a frequency increase or extension A x45 minute frequency is ridiculous.
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Post by busman on Apr 17, 2024 13:43:47 GMT
The 386 is really annoying with the dizzy routing, small roads and speed humps. Woolwich to Blackheath via 90% of the borough of Greenwich. I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386, but other than that….it’s actually quicker to walk from Hare Street or the Royal Standard to Blackheath Royal Parade than to take the 386! On a bad day I think I could outwalk it between QE Hospital and Royal Parade too. That’s how crazy the routing is.
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 17, 2024 13:58:43 GMT
The 386 is really annoying with the dizzy routing, small roads and speed humps. Woolwich to Blackheath via 90% of the borough of Greenwich. I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386, but other than that….it’s actually quicker to walk from Hare Street or the Royal Standard to Blackheath Royal Parade than to take the 386! On a bad day I think I could outwalk it between QE Hospital and Royal Parade too. That’s how crazy the routing is. With due respect - unless a traveller was supremely unaware, they would use the 54 to get from Woolwich or Royal Standard to Blackheath Royal Parade. The 386 is not designed for that kind of journey. "I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386" - yes, that's what it is for.
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Post by busman on Apr 17, 2024 14:01:03 GMT
The 386 is really annoying with the dizzy routing, small roads and speed humps. Woolwich to Blackheath via 90% of the borough of Greenwich. I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386, but other than that….it’s actually quicker to walk from Hare Street or the Royal Standard to Blackheath Royal Parade than to take the 386! On a bad day I think I could outwalk it between QE Hospital and Royal Parade too. That’s how crazy the routing is. With due respect - unless a traveller was supremely unaware, they would use the 54 to get from Hare Street or Royal Standard to get to Blackheath Royal Parade. The 386 is not designed for that kind of journey. "I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386" - yes, that's what it is for. If the route annoys you so much, stay off it. Read the topic of the thread. If the subjective responses annoy you so much, stay off it. Also thank you for repeating the point I acknowledged in my post about the use case for the route 👍
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 17, 2024 14:29:16 GMT
With due respect - unless a traveller was supremely unaware, they would use the 54 to get from Hare Street or Royal Standard to get to Blackheath Royal Parade. The 386 is not designed for that kind of journey. "I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386" - yes, that's what it is for. If the route annoys you so much, stay off it. Read the topic of the thread. If the subjective responses annoy you so much, stay off it. Also thank you for repeating the point I acknowledged in my post about the use case for the route 👍 Touché. My fault I guess for taking such an inane subject seriously.
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Post by borneobus on Apr 17, 2024 14:44:53 GMT
With due respect - unless a traveller was supremely unaware, they would use the 54 to get from Hare Street or Royal Standard to get to Blackheath Royal Parade. The 386 is not designed for that kind of journey. "I guess it provides useful links to people living on roads solely served by the 386" - yes, that's what it is for. If the route annoys you so much, stay off it. Read the topic of the thread. If the subjective responses annoy you so much, stay off it. Also thank you for repeating the point I acknowledged in my post about the use case for the route 👍 Yes, a horrible convoluted route on the map, and must be awful to drive and one e2e that I couldn't face when I wanted to travel from Woolwich to Blackheath. However, and as you acknowledge useful, may be even a life-line for local people living on roads solely by the route. As someone whose local bus stop is served by just one route, but that's blessed with 5bph I'm always happy to 'bang a drum' for routes on roads solely served by one route. Some 2023 pax numbers for the 'unique' sections served by the 386: 1) Vanbrugh Hill / Westcombe Park Road 114k 2) The loop in Kidbrooke off / returning to Shooter's Hill Road 126k 3) Woolwich Common / Herbert Road 131k Total PAX on 386 1.54m so the numbers serving 'unique' roads represent around 25%, and assuming most if not all return home on a 386 from Greenwich, Woolwich, Blackheath, QEH than you can pretty much double this number The route also has some lovely bus stop names, including: Ha Ha Road Greenwich Heights Begbie Road Ulundi Road Zangwill Road Corelli College Old Royal Military Academy Wat Tyler Road
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Post by busman on Apr 17, 2024 15:15:20 GMT
Read the topic of the thread. If the subjective responses annoy you so much, stay off it. Also thank you for repeating the point I acknowledged in my post about the use case for the route 👍 Yes, a horrible convoluted route on the map, and must be awful to drive and one e2e that I couldn't face when I wanted to travel from Woolwich to Blackheath. However, and as you acknowledge useful, may be even a life-line for local people living on roads solely by the route. As someone whose local bus stop is served by just one route, but that's blessed with 5bph I'm always happy to 'bang a drum' for routes on roads solely served by one route. Some 2023 pax numbers for the 'unique' sections served by the 386: 1) Vanbrugh Hill / Westcombe Park Road 114k 2) The loop in Kidbrooke off / returning to Shooter's Hill Road 126k 3) Woolwich Common / Herbert Road 131k Total PAX on 386 1.54m so the numbers serving 'unique' roads represent around 25%, and assuming most if not all return home on a 386 from Greenwich, Woolwich, Blackheath, QEH than you can pretty much double this number The route also has some lovely bus stop names, including: Ha Ha Road Greenwich Heights Begbie Road Ulundi Road Zangwill Road Corelli College Old Royal Military Academy Wat Tyler Road I totally bang the drum for hyper local routes. For many years until last week I lived next to the 469 LOR on a section that was uniquely served. Elderly neighbours, people with heavy shopping, me and my own preferences to travel door to door to nearby meaningful destinations… trust me, I get it. I really do. However, again I refer back to the title of the thread and my post. I said the 386 was annoying. Annoying does not mean the same as useless. Whether a route is annoying or not is entirely personal and completely subjective. Throw out all the stats you like on ridership levels to prove the usefulness of the 386. I wasn’t saying the route is useless or advocating to change it in any way.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 17, 2024 16:48:50 GMT
Read the topic of the thread. If the subjective responses annoy you so much, stay off it. Also thank you for repeating the point I acknowledged in my post about the use case for the route 👍 Yes, a horrible convoluted route on the map, and must be awful to drive and one e2e that I couldn't face when I wanted to travel from Woolwich to Blackheath. However, and as you acknowledge useful, may be even a life-line for local people living on roads solely by the route. As someone whose local bus stop is served by just one route, but that's blessed with 5bph I'm always happy to 'bang a drum' for routes on roads solely served by one route. Some 2023 pax numbers for the 'unique' sections served by the 386: 1) Vanbrugh Hill / Westcombe Park Road 114k 2) The loop in Kidbrooke off / returning to Shooter's Hill Road 126k 3) Woolwich Common / Herbert Road 131k Total PAX on 386 1.54m so the numbers serving 'unique' roads represent around 25%, and assuming most if not all return home on a 386 from Greenwich, Woolwich, Blackheath, QEH than you can pretty much double this number The route also has some lovely bus stop names, including: Ha Ha Road Greenwich Heights Begbie Road Ulundi Road Zangwill Road Corelli College Old Royal Military Academy Wat Tyler Road The 386 is actually also the fastest route from Blackheath royal standard to Vanbrugh hill / cutty sark
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Post by bk10mfe on Apr 17, 2024 16:56:21 GMT
The 72 is one that comes to mind for me since it was cut back to Hammersmith. I think it should divert over Putney Bridge & convert to DD operation, since the 220 gets very busy & is the only route from Putney to Hammersmith/Shepherds Bush. I’ve suggested these proposals before, but I would divert the 265 to Caslenau, divert the 110 to Castlenau via the 419 as initially proposed, reintroduce the 391 between Hammersmith & Richmond & withdraw the 419. The 283 would also extend to Hammersmith bridge Northside.
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Post by mb171 on Apr 17, 2024 17:20:00 GMT
Yes, a horrible convoluted route on the map, and must be awful to drive and one e2e that I couldn't face when I wanted to travel from Woolwich to Blackheath. However, and as you acknowledge useful, may be even a life-line for local people living on roads solely by the route. As someone whose local bus stop is served by just one route, but that's blessed with 5bph I'm always happy to 'bang a drum' for routes on roads solely served by one route. Some 2023 pax numbers for the 'unique' sections served by the 386: 1) Vanbrugh Hill / Westcombe Park Road 114k 2) The loop in Kidbrooke off / returning to Shooter's Hill Road 126k 3) Woolwich Common / Herbert Road 131k Total PAX on 386 1.54m so the numbers serving 'unique' roads represent around 25%, and assuming most if not all return home on a 386 from Greenwich, Woolwich, Blackheath, QEH than you can pretty much double this number The route also has some lovely bus stop names, including: Ha Ha Road Greenwich Heights Begbie Road Ulundi Road Zangwill Road Corelli College Old Royal Military Academy Wat Tyler Road The 386 is actually also the fastest route from Blackheath royal standard to Vanbrugh hill / cutty sark That is true because it avoids all the traffic in Woolwich Road unlike the 286, 422
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 17, 2024 18:54:00 GMT
The 72 is one that comes to mind for me since it was cut back to Hammersmith. I think it should divert over Putney Bridge & convert to DD operation, since the 220 gets very busy & is the only route from Putney to Hammersmith/Shepherds Bush. I’ve suggested these proposals before, but I would divert the 265 to Caslenau, divert the 110 to Castlenau via the 419 as initially proposed, reintroduce the 391 between Hammersmith & Richmond & withdraw the 419. The 283 would also extend to Hammersmith bridge Northside. But wouldn’t that break the link that the 265 provides between parts of Roehampton and Putney?
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