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Post by COBO on Aug 26, 2024 2:34:52 GMT
Hypothetically if two or more superloops routes overlap each other would it be overbussing?
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 26, 2024 10:11:58 GMT
Hypothetically if two or more superloops routes overlap each other would it be overbussing? No if they don't go the same way |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Sept 11, 2024 21:31:16 GMT
My own thoughts on the individual routes proposed: Leytonstone to South Havering
I don't get the point of this route. The 66 already uses the dual carriageway most of the way, so is fast enough, and is partly paralleled by the Central Line too. I'm also not sure what the demand is south of Romford, there's already a good network of routes to places like Hornchurch and Rainham. I'd say paralleling the 66 isn't a good idea, and maybe the route should turn off at Little Heath and head through Marks Gate (with a new stop at Billet Road near Rose Lane) and Collier Row before heading via the 365 to Hornchurch and then following the current 652 route to Rainham. Or travel via Barkingside and Hainault (Route 247) rather than the A12 Gives a better/faster connection for: Marks Gate to Collier Row Collier Row to Newbury Park (Central line) or Hornchurch (District line) Romford to South Havering (as opposed to the very long 165 or the 103 via Dagenham) In my mind the route should really terminate at Gants Hill (using the Perth Road stand) instead of Leytonstone, as that section and the rest of the A12 is just a traffic infested hell hole during peak hours because of how poorly designed that road is. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 22:05:34 GMT
I would question how much of a reality a 2nd Superloop is now.
Lord Hendy and Kier Starmer have refused to rule out withdrawing the freedom pass like with the winter fuel allowance. Unlikely I know but I think Labour are proving harder with the purse strings that this additional funding just waiting in the wings once the election was over may not be materialising anytime soon.
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Post by busman on Sept 11, 2024 22:10:35 GMT
I would question how much of a reality a 2nd Superloop is now. Lord Hendy and Kier Starmer have refused to rule out withdrawing the freedom pass like with the winter fuel allowance. Unlikely I know but I think Labour are proving harder with the purse strings that this additional funding just waiting in the wings once the election was over may not be materialising anytime soon. I don’t think there will be any bearing on Superloop 2. Superloop 2 routes will be funded by TfL, not central government. Two completely different pots of public money. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 22:16:16 GMT
I would question how much of a reality a 2nd Superloop is now. Lord Hendy and Kier Starmer have refused to rule out withdrawing the freedom pass like with the winter fuel allowance. Unlikely I know but I think Labour are proving harder with the purse strings that this additional funding just waiting in the wings once the election was over may not be materialising anytime soon. I don’t think there will be any bearing on Superloop 2. Superloop 2 routes will be funded by TfL, not central government. Two completely different pots of public money. Not necessarily. He had talked about requiring further funds in order to get things like Superloop 2 going. We know the Tories only used to give him half what he asked for and kept it as a yearly one off as opposed to a permanent subsidy. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 11, 2024 22:35:17 GMT
I don’t think there will be any bearing on Superloop 2. Superloop 2 routes will be funded by TfL, not central government. Two completely different pots of public money. Not necessarily. He had talked about requiring further funds in order to get things like Superloop 2 going. We know the Tories only used to give him half what he asked for and kept it as a yearly one off as opposed to a permanent subsidy. Considering most of the Superloop 2 routes looks literate fantasy, it should be about time resources aren't wasted. What TfL need's to do first is sort out the mess of the SL2 and to the slow and painful SL8 which has been crying for faster speeds and additional capacity. A similar case can be said on the SL9. |
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Post by greg on Sept 11, 2024 22:43:53 GMT
Not necessarily. He had talked about requiring further funds in order to get things like Superloop 2 going. We know the Tories only used to give him half what he asked for and kept it as a yearly one off as opposed to a permanent subsidy. Considering most of the Superloop 2 routes looks literate fantasy, it should be about time resources aren't wasted. What TfL need's to do first is sort out the mess of the SL2 and to the slow and painful SL8 which has been crying for faster speeds and additional capacity. A similar case can be said on the SL9. I agree, some of the Superloop 2 routes aren’t needed IMO - same goes for some of our original superloop routes. It’s time TFL made some improvements to routes and adjustments to maximise efficiency for the SL6, SL7, SL8, SL9 etc. but debatable I think we could live without a SL1 or SL10 really 🤷🏽♂️. Now the Superloop 2 routes arent familiar with my head, but the only useful ones I had imagined is the one that mirrored the 493 slightly and the one that mirrored the 65. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 11, 2024 23:03:08 GMT
Considering most of the Superloop 2 routes looks literate fantasy, it should be about time resources aren't wasted. What TfL need's to do first is sort out the mess of the SL2 and to the slow and painful SL8 which has been crying for faster speeds and additional capacity. A similar case can be said on the SL9. I agree, some of the Superloop 2 routes aren’t needed IMO - same goes for some of our original superloop routes. It’s time TFL made some improvements to routes and adjustments to maximise efficiency for the SL6, SL7, SL8, SL9 etc. but debatable I think we could live without a SL1 or SL10 really 🤷🏽♂️. Now the Superloop 2 routes arent familiar with my head, but the only useful ones I had imagined is the one that mirrored the 493 slightly and the one that mirrored the 65. The 65 definitely as a way to relieve it similar to the how the SL8 is a faster 207/427. Only issue is the traffic hotspots which it would get stuck in same as the 65 does. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2024 23:30:25 GMT
Considering most of the Superloop 2 routes looks literate fantasy, it should be about time resources aren't wasted. What TfL need's to do first is sort out the mess of the SL2 and to the slow and painful SL8 which has been crying for faster speeds and additional capacity. A similar case can be said on the SL9. I agree, some of the Superloop 2 routes aren’t needed IMO - same goes for some of our original superloop routes. It’s time TFL made some improvements to routes and adjustments to maximise efficiency for the SL6, SL7, SL8, SL9 etc. but debatable I think we could live without a SL1 or SL10 really 🤷🏽♂️. Now the Superloop 2 routes arent familiar with my head, but the only useful ones I had imagined is the one that mirrored the 493 slightly and the one that mirrored the 65. Whilst I don't agree with the SL6 being a part of it (and there is argument for the SL8 too), I think the actual loop routes have all shown their worthiness and should stay. Some aren't perfect like the aforementioned SL2 and the issues around congestion and regulation but I don't see the need to outright remove any of the loop ones. It was only a anecdotal observation but both the SL10 & SL1 I rode had really good loadings and I was expecting the SL10 to not perform well. Some of the Superloop 2 routes do need some careful reviewing - for example, I don't see any need for the Chingford to Stratford section of that particular route given the corridor north of Walthamstow moves relatively well and parts of it are quite hostile to buses overtaking. I'm also concerned around the one more local to me being the Streatham to Eltham one running through some absolutely congested areas, especially the A205, and the effect it would have on reliability. |
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Post by ZiyQ on Sept 11, 2024 23:45:49 GMT
Not necessarily. He had talked about requiring further funds in order to get things like Superloop 2 going. We know the Tories only used to give him half what he asked for and kept it as a yearly one off as opposed to a permanent subsidy. Considering most of the Superloop 2 routes looks literate fantasy, it should be about time resources aren't wasted. What TfL need's to do first is sort out the mess of the SL2 and to the slow and painful SL8 which has been crying for faster speeds and additional capacity. A similar case can be said on the SL9. Apologies to anyone if this idea seems far too unrealistic or (which it probably is because of the state of TfL) or outright terrible because of me, would there be any opportunities to install new part-time bus lanes along the A406 between Ilford and Barking? It would also require some bus stop arrangements in Ilford to be altered, such as possibly splitting the Southbound Ilford Lane bus stop into 2, and moving the Ilford / Sainsbury’s bus stop somewhere else, or even removing the stop from the SL2? Another thing that could help would be to allow controllers to control different paths of the route (like the SL6), so that buses could be rerouted via the current routing / 366 as necessary. I apologise in advance to any local residents if I have broken any important links, or suddenly created 10x more traffic on the A406 because of 1 less lane in the peak. |
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Post by greg on Sept 12, 2024 0:53:19 GMT
I agree, some of the Superloop 2 routes aren’t needed IMO - same goes for some of our original superloop routes. It’s time TFL made some improvements to routes and adjustments to maximise efficiency for the SL6, SL7, SL8, SL9 etc. but debatable I think we could live without a SL1 or SL10 really 🤷🏽♂️. Now the Superloop 2 routes arent familiar with my head, but the only useful ones I had imagined is the one that mirrored the 493 slightly and the one that mirrored the 65. Whilst I don't agree with the SL6 being a part of it (and there is argument for the SL8 too), I think the actual loop routes have all shown their worthiness and should stay. Some aren't perfect like the aforementioned SL2 and the issues around congestion and regulation but I don't see the need to outright remove any of the loop ones. It was only a anecdotal observation but both the SL10 & SL1 I rode had really good loadings and I was expecting the SL10 to not perform well. Some of the Superloop 2 routes do need some careful reviewing - for example, I don't see any need for the Chingford to Stratford section of that particular route given the corridor north of Walthamstow moves relatively well and parts of it are quite hostile to buses overtaking. I'm also concerned around the one more local to me being the Streatham to Eltham one running through some absolutely congested areas, especially the A205, and the effect it would have on reliability. Yup, I agree too. My comment on maximising efficiency on the SL6 would be TFL making this a daily route in both directions, even if it ends at 7pm like recent nature of the 310, otherwise yeah, probably shouldn’t be apart of the SL. And adding more stops alongside tje route at Brixton, (as well as E&C/London Road (which I think deserves a stop)) where it often runs via instead of Camberwell I believe. A small 2 stop extension where stand space is available to Euston Bus Station shouldn’t hurt either. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2024 2:38:20 GMT
Whilst I don't agree with the SL6 being a part of it (and there is argument for the SL8 too), I think the actual loop routes have all shown their worthiness and should stay. Some aren't perfect like the aforementioned SL2 and the issues around congestion and regulation but I don't see the need to outright remove any of the loop ones. It was only a anecdotal observation but both the SL10 & SL1 I rode had really good loadings and I was expecting the SL10 to not perform well. Some of the Superloop 2 routes do need some careful reviewing - for example, I don't see any need for the Chingford to Stratford section of that particular route given the corridor north of Walthamstow moves relatively well and parts of it are quite hostile to buses overtaking. I'm also concerned around the one more local to me being the Streatham to Eltham one running through some absolutely congested areas, especially the A205, and the effect it would have on reliability. Yup, I agree too. My comment on maximising efficiency on the SL6 would be TFL making this a daily route in both directions, even if it ends at 7pm like recent nature of the 310, otherwise yeah, probably shouldn’t be apart of the SL. And adding more stops alongside tje route at Brixton, (as well as E&C/London Road (which I think deserves a stop)) where it often runs via instead of Camberwell I believe. A small 2 stop extension where stand space is available to Euston Bus Station shouldn’t hurt either. The SL6 runs via Brixton as the A23 is easier to negotiate due to bus lanes (Camberwell is only used in emergencies). For me, if the SL6 is to be restructured, it should only stop at Russell Square, Holborn, Aldwych, Waterloo, Lambeth North, Kennington Cross (for Kennington Lane), Oval, Brixton, Tulse Hill and then all stops to West Croydon. Frequency increased to at every 15 minutes and should run to least 21-22:00pm IMO |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 12, 2024 5:54:23 GMT
Whilst I don't agree with the SL6 being a part of it (and there is argument for the SL8 too), I think the actual loop routes have all shown their worthiness and should stay. Some aren't perfect like the aforementioned SL2 and the issues around congestion and regulation but I don't see the need to outright remove any of the loop ones. It was only a anecdotal observation but both the SL10 & SL1 I rode had really good loadings and I was expecting the SL10 to not perform well. Some of the Superloop 2 routes do need some careful reviewing - for example, I don't see any need for the Chingford to Stratford section of that particular route given the corridor north of Walthamstow moves relatively well and parts of it are quite hostile to buses overtaking. I'm also concerned around the one more local to me being the Streatham to Eltham one running through some absolutely congested areas, especially the A205, and the effect it would have on reliability. Yup, I agree too. My comment on maximising efficiency on the SL6 would be TFL making this a daily route in both directions, even if it ends at 7pm like recent nature of the 310, otherwise yeah, probably shouldn’t be apart of the SL. And adding more stops alongside tje route at Brixton, (as well as E&C/London Road (which I think deserves a stop)) where it often runs via instead of Camberwell I believe. A small 2 stop extension where stand space is available to Euston Bus Station shouldn’t hurt either. I don't think there's much of a case for running the SL6 daily and I certainly don't think an extra stop at Brixton should be added. This is a commuter service and that's why the first set down is Waterloo on northbound journeys to prevent buses getting crowded with short distance passengers and obviously there is the 196 from Upper Norwood to Brixton, an extra stop at Brixton would also remove the flexibility of being able to run via Camberwell. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 12, 2024 6:35:00 GMT
I agree, some of the Superloop 2 routes aren’t needed IMO - same goes for some of our original superloop routes. It’s time TFL made some improvements to routes and adjustments to maximise efficiency for the SL6, SL7, SL8, SL9 etc. but debatable I think we could live without a SL1 or SL10 really 🤷🏽♂️. Now the Superloop 2 routes arent familiar with my head, but the only useful ones I had imagined is the one that mirrored the 493 slightly and the one that mirrored the 65. The 65 definitely as a way to relieve it similar to the how the SL8 is a faster 207/427. Only issue is the traffic hotspots which it would get stuck in same as the 65 does. On the southern section the 65 is pretty fast anyway, a Superloop route would have absolutely no advantage. Northern section is similar but Kew Bridge is a major hotspot, and there's no sensible way to avoid it. Honestly I think the best option would be to not introduce anything to parallel the 65, increasing its PVR would be far more useful if resources can be invested in this corridor. |
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