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Post by JUNIOR26 on Jul 19, 2024 22:17:30 GMT
I hope that there’s a Superloop 3. Personally, I hope not. I think the Superloop 2 should be the last. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2024 22:58:11 GMT
I’m not keen on a third round of routes. It would be nice to have some focus on new all stop routes. I disagree, I think London is crying out for decent express routes. Obviously before the whole superloop malarkey there was only three express routes in London (X26, X68 and 607), all of which were roaring successes in their own rights. Then the X140 came along, which also turned into a runaway success in very little time. Berlin has an exceptional express bus network, denoted mostly by route numbers beginning with an ‘M’ (called Metrobus routes over there, with the idea being that they’re road-going Metro lines). Like this bus (photo by moi 😜). Granted it helps because the traffic over there isn’t as bad as London, but it’s a very large and successful network. I know it’s difficult to remember in this endless sea of negativity of cuts, congestion and general doom and gloom, but London is one of the best connected cities by bus in the world. There is pretty much nowhere you can’t get in London on a bus, and it was becoming increasingly complained about that bus travel in London is too slow. Then you’ve got the new links that these Superloop routes are making, which are difficult journeys to make via the train, and are far more convenient by a single bus journey. Like how would a passenger have got from North Finchley to Hendon or Kingsbury before the SL10 came along? Especially convoluted when there isn’t a rail station on North Finchley’s door step. So actually I think London already has a very well connected local bus network, so imo it’s high time they focussed on delivering a convenient express network of longer distance trunk routes that cut journey times. There’s proven strong demand for them. Believe me as someone who’s had to do it a lot, a lot of South and SE London is an utter pain to traverse due to convoluted bus and rail links. A Streatham to Eltham route would really do well at knitting these remote places from each other together. Not to mention there is focus being put on local bus routes - a new 310 and 495, and a large extension to route 129 for starters  Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 19, 2024 23:15:27 GMT
I disagree, I think London is crying out for decent express routes. Obviously before the whole superloop malarkey there was only three express routes in London (X26, X68 and 607), all of which were roaring successes in their own rights. Then the X140 came along, which also turned into a runaway success in very little time. Berlin has an exceptional express bus network, denoted mostly by route numbers beginning with an ‘M’ (called Metrobus routes over there, with the idea being that they’re road-going Metro lines). Like this bus (photo by moi 😜). Granted it helps because the traffic over there isn’t as bad as London, but it’s a very large and successful network. I know it’s difficult to remember in this endless sea of negativity of cuts, congestion and general doom and gloom, but London is one of the best connected cities by bus in the world. There is pretty much nowhere you can’t get in London on a bus, and it was becoming increasingly complained about that bus travel in London is too slow. Then you’ve got the new links that these Superloop routes are making, which are difficult journeys to make via the train, and are far more convenient by a single bus journey. Like how would a passenger have got from North Finchley to Hendon or Kingsbury before the SL10 came along? Especially convoluted when there isn’t a rail station on North Finchley’s door step. So actually I think London already has a very well connected local bus network, so imo it’s high time they focussed on delivering a convenient express network of longer distance trunk routes that cut journey times. There’s proven strong demand for them. Believe me as someone who’s had to do it a lot, a lot of South and SE London is an utter pain to traverse due to convoluted bus and rail links. A Streatham to Eltham route would really do well at knitting these remote places from each other together. Not to mention there is focus being put on local bus routes - a new 310 and 495, and a large extension to route 129 for starters Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) Oh definitely, withstanding the point that any express route actually leads to a time advantage. It’s very well known the SL2 is probably the worst affected by slow traffic speeds. The painfully slow traffic speeds are precisely why London is crying out for faster long distance bus routes, but as you pointed out there’s no golden bullet for dealing with this. Changes to infrastructure need to go hand in hand with just creating the new routes. The former point is definitely the more challenging thing to tackle. You know Streatham far better than I do, but even I know how much of an insane traffic bottleneck the whole of Streatham is due to those ludicrous LTNs. Obviously that traffic would ruin any chance of this new proposed SL route making any good ground. But if that can be tacked (maybe reprioritised traffic lights could help a bit), it’s a link that area of South London definitely needs |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 19, 2024 23:22:28 GMT
Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) Oh definitely, withstanding the point that any express route actually leads to a time advantage. It’s very well known the SL2 is probably the worst affected by slow traffic speeds. The painfully slow traffic speeds are precisely why London is crying out for faster long distance bus routes, but as you pointed out there’s no golden bullet for dealing with this. Changes to infrastructure need to go hand in hand with just creating the new routes. The former point is definitely the more challenging thing to tackle. You know Streatham far better than I do, but even I know how much of an insane traffic bottleneck the whole of Streatham is due to those ludicrous LTNs. Obviously that traffic would ruin any chance of this new proposed SL route making any good ground. But if that can be tacked (maybe reprioritised traffic lights could help a bit), it’s a link that area of South London definitely needs Oh I agree that the link would be very good in an ideal world as we are crying out for more east to west links across South London but I don't want it to be introduced and then watered down because TfL & the mayor wanted to a tick a box rather than implement something that works and lasts. One way to slightly mitigate it would be to take the painful decision to not run to Streatham or Streatham Hill. Divert it to Brixton via the much quieter Tulse Hill corridor where there is little to no congestion, implement no stop between Tulse Hill & Brixton (unless I want to be selfish and make it stop at Brixton Water Lane or Morval Road stops) and this would cut out a couple of pinch points and also provide a new connection from Brixton - it might even take some P4 customers wanting Dulwich Common and the estate by Lordship Lane that sees quite a bit of custom and relieve the P4 in the process. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 20, 2024 7:54:50 GMT
I disagree, I think London is crying out for decent express routes. Obviously before the whole superloop malarkey there was only three express routes in London (X26, X68 and 607), all of which were roaring successes in their own rights. Then the X140 came along, which also turned into a runaway success in very little time. Berlin has an exceptional express bus network, denoted mostly by route numbers beginning with an ‘M’ (called Metrobus routes over there, with the idea being that they’re road-going Metro lines). Like this bus (photo by moi 😜). Granted it helps because the traffic over there isn’t as bad as London, but it’s a very large and successful network. I know it’s difficult to remember in this endless sea of negativity of cuts, congestion and general doom and gloom, but London is one of the best connected cities by bus in the world. There is pretty much nowhere you can’t get in London on a bus, and it was becoming increasingly complained about that bus travel in London is too slow. Then you’ve got the new links that these Superloop routes are making, which are difficult journeys to make via the train, and are far more convenient by a single bus journey. Like how would a passenger have got from North Finchley to Hendon or Kingsbury before the SL10 came along? Especially convoluted when there isn’t a rail station on North Finchley’s door step. So actually I think London already has a very well connected local bus network, so imo it’s high time they focussed on delivering a convenient express network of longer distance trunk routes that cut journey times. There’s proven strong demand for them. Believe me as someone who’s had to do it a lot, a lot of South and SE London is an utter pain to traverse due to convoluted bus and rail links. A Streatham to Eltham route would really do well at knitting these remote places from each other together. Not to mention there is focus being put on local bus routes - a new 310 and 495, and a large extension to route 129 for starters Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106. For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot |
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 20, 2024 8:04:13 GMT
Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11 ) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106 . For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot Double deckers Serve Streatham Station no bus should stand outside St Leonard’s Church. Lee Station doesn’t need to be served make Baring Road a stop and continue down the A205 to Eltham. Lancaster Avenue should be fine to use I would say because it would be turning right to serve Tulse Hill Station it’s the left turn out of there that cannot be done in the left lane. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 20, 2024 8:43:34 GMT
So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106 . For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot Double deckers Serve Streatham Station no bus should stand outside St Leonard’s Church. Lee Station doesn’t need to be served make Baring Road a stop and continue down the A205 to Eltham. Lancaster Avenue should be fine to use I would say because it would be turning right to serve Tulse Hill Station it’s the left turn out of there that cannot be done in the left lane. Right I see. Thank you for that. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2024 11:44:26 GMT
Only to an extent however. It's no good plonking an express route on most corridors in Inner London if the corridors themselves are full of congestion and proper, sufficient priority isn't implemented alongside. It works in Outer London because the majority of Outer London is easier to traverse through in comparison either with wider roads, less congestion or a combination of those plus other factors. It's why I have big reservations about this Streatham to Eltham route - the obvious corridor to use is via the A205 and if something like the P4 struggles with reliability and only uses the A205 between Dulwich College & the Horniman Musuem (the worst section of the entire P4 route), then good luck to any Streatham to Eltham route due to the following pinch points: If it starts at Streatham Station, Streatham Station to Becmead Avenue can be a right pain due to the amount of lanes switching between 1 & 2 If it starts at St Leonards Church, Tooting Bec Gardens can be a right pain to pass through (ask DT 11) Christchurch Road has always been bad and has long affected the 201's own reliability but this road has worsened as a result of both the Tulse Hill LTN scheme and the Streatham Wells LTN scheme Dulwich College to Lordship Lane is horrible for traffic Forest Hill itself towards Eltham can be problematic The approach to Catford and Catford itself can be a nightmare, no wonder they're proposing to realign the road passing the two railway stations Brownhill Road & St Mildred Road are a magnet for traffic The other issue is lets say this route becomes a success (and I genuinely hope it does even if it doesn't show in this response) and needs a capacity boost, your rather restricted due to the low bridge on Thurlow Park Road. There is a diversionary route but isn't ideal according to DT 11 (I've done this route on double deckers when Norwood Road has been shut on several occasions in the past, all the way back to the era of the L class Olympians) So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106. For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot Without added priority between Streatham & Eltham, I’d divert it to Brixton instead but putting that to one side, I’d do the same and move a route out of Streatham Station. I’m reluctant to move the 60 to St Leonard’s though I totally get why you chose that route due to the reasoning you mentioned. I’d actually move the P13 out and extend it to Green Lane and stand with the G1 whose stand should be able to squeeze one bus on (never seen more than one P13 stand at Streatham Station before), might even be a cheaper extension to do. Also, what DT 11 suggested in his above post, I’d agree with too |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jul 20, 2024 12:24:14 GMT
So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106. For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot Without added priority between Streatham & Eltham, I’d divert it to Brixton instead but putting that to one side, I’d do the same and move a route out of Streatham Station. I’m reluctant to move the 60 to St Leonard’s though I totally get why you chose that route due to the reasoning you mentioned. I’d actually move the P13 out and extend it to Green Lane and stand with the G1 whose stand should be able to squeeze one bus on (never seen more than one P13 stand at Streatham Station before), might even be a cheaper extension to do. Also, what DT 11 suggested in his above post, I’d agree with too I do think out of all the Streatham station terminating routes, I think route P13 is the most vulnerable to be moved out for the Streatham - Eltham Superloop 2 route rumoured to be numbered SL16. St. Leonard’s Church being the obvious choice to terminate the P13 service southbound. However, your proposal on route P13 being extended to Green Lane is an interesting one, it would provide Norbury with links to South East London. On the other hand, TFL hate duplication with routes, I just cannot see TFL being able to justify both routes G1 and P13 running along between St. Leonard’s and Green Lane together. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 20, 2024 12:30:50 GMT
In relation to Brixton I think no SL Routes should serve any part of Brixton Road. The road is too slow moving and I believe too many buses serve it already. It takes long enough for buses to even board there I do aim to depart as soon as the last foot steps on the bus as people always run for the bus then other buses behind want to get out of Brixton. The Victoria Line creates the foot traffic.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 20, 2024 12:40:37 GMT
Without added priority between Streatham & Eltham, I’d divert it to Brixton instead but putting that to one side, I’d do the same and move a route out of Streatham Station. I’m reluctant to move the 60 to St Leonard’s though I totally get why you chose that route due to the reasoning you mentioned. I’d actually move the P13 out and extend it to Green Lane and stand with the G1 whose stand should be able to squeeze one bus on (never seen more than one P13 stand at Streatham Station before), might even be a cheaper extension to do. Also, what DT 11 suggested in his above post, I’d agree with too I do think out of all the Streatham station terminating routes, I think route P13 is the most vulnerable to be moved out for the Streatham - Eltham Superloop 2 route rumoured to be numbered SL16. St. Leonard’s Church being the obvious choice to terminate the P13 service southbound. However, your proposal on route P13 being extended to Green Lane is an interesting one, it would provide Norbury with links to South East London. On the other hand, TFL hate duplication with routes, I just cannot see TFL being able to justify both routes G1 and P13 running along between St. Leonard’s and Green Lane together. Alternatively the SL16 could go to Green Lane with the G1 curtailed to Streatham Station. A Low Frequency route should be fine using that stand. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2024 12:48:27 GMT
In relation to Brixton I think no SL Routes should serve any part of Brixton Road. The road is too slow moving and I believe too many buses serve it already. It takes long enough for buses to even board there I do aim to depart as soon as the last foot steps on the bus as people always run for the bus then other buses behind want to get out of Brixton. The Victoria Line creates the foot traffic. It would still be far quicker than running to Streatham because you won’t be serving St Leonard’s or Christchurch Road and Brixton Road is still easier to pass through. The problem isn’t too many buses serving there but the widening of the pavement during Covid robbed drivers of the 2 lane bus lane that was installed when the bus stop outside Iceland was removed. This allowed drivers to pass easily around buses that were at the stops - instead, what happens now is buses have to queue all the way down to the two railway bridges so it’s TfL causing unnecessary congestion by not reverting back to the 2 lane bus lane and removing the widened pavement. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 20, 2024 15:15:10 GMT
So this is a question to yourself DT 11 and DE20106. For the Streatham to Eltham link to become successful what would you do to ensure it would become successful. I know now the SCR has (stupidly) been reduced to 20mph. Why someone thought to do that is beyond me but I digress what would you folks do. Standing space as I did mention a while back in Streatham may pose an issue whichever way it's placed. You send it to the station most likely one of the routes would have to move out. I did mention that if I had to choose a route to move out of the station it would have to be the 60 simply to maintain the station link and considering its the only terminating route that would come from the south. The 133, 159 and P13 if they got sacrificed instead then that link would break. I personally wouldn't want to send the 133 back to St Leonard's especially with that junction there. That's a death trap right there. I wouldn't be surprised if loads of people have had accidents there. Even myself I'm having to do prayers everytime I drive there if I'm seeing my friend in Norbury. But let's hear your thoughts on this. I think DT 11 did mention a while back that if they did go with the 60 approach then at least one bus would need to be added to it's schedule based on the traffic around that spot Without added priority between Streatham & Eltham, I’d divert it to Brixton instead but putting that to one side, I’d do the same and move a route out of Streatham Station. I’m reluctant to move the 60 to St Leonard’s though I totally get why you chose that route due to the reasoning you mentioned. I’d actually move the P13 out and extend it to Green Lane and stand with the G1 whose stand should be able to squeeze one bus on (never seen more than one P13 stand at Streatham Station before), might even be a cheaper extension to do. Also, what DT 11 suggested in his above post, I’d agree with too Interesting you say that in regards to the P13. Do you reckon that could be feasible? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 20, 2024 15:55:09 GMT
Without added priority between Streatham & Eltham, I’d divert it to Brixton instead but putting that to one side, I’d do the same and move a route out of Streatham Station. I’m reluctant to move the 60 to St Leonard’s though I totally get why you chose that route due to the reasoning you mentioned. I’d actually move the P13 out and extend it to Green Lane and stand with the G1 whose stand should be able to squeeze one bus on (never seen more than one P13 stand at Streatham Station before), might even be a cheaper extension to do. Also, what DT 11 suggested in his above post, I’d agree with too Interesting you say that in regards to the P13. Do you reckon that could be feasible? It’s difficult because the P13 is pretty lengthy to begin with but that section of Streatham High Road south of Tesco is not difficult to pass through especially as P13’s won’t be particularly busy through there similar to how G1’s currently are (usually only a handful of people use the G1 on that section. DT 11 idea of cutting the G1 to Streatham Station and starting the Superloop route at Green Lane is another alternative. Of course, if the old terminus also still existed alongside the current Streatham Station terminus…. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 10, 2024 6:57:16 GMT
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