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Post by britishguy54 on Apr 19, 2024 23:16:21 GMT
Barnet to Stratford (X307 or X97?) would be a dirty route to control assuming its using High Road Leyton, Hoe Street, Chingford Lane up to Chingford Mount and then follows the 307 route from Ponders End. Lots of places for the route to come to a stand still, perhaps splitting it into two routes at Chingford Station would make more sense? Also surprised they didn't make the Leytonstone to South Havering (X66 or X103?) also start from Stratford It seems like looking closer, that the Barnet-Chingford and Chingford-Stratford sections are two separate routes. The X66/X103?/X165? would make sense starting at Stratford, providing an interchange there. Though I do wonder where it will end in South Havering. Rainham? Beam Park? I assume it will likely go down the A125 between Romford and S. Hornchurch, with Elm Park possibly being in the middle. I’ve seen an idea toy with bringing that route more towards Dagenham, which isn’t a bad idea. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 20, 2024 3:52:44 GMT
Is there any way of merging the two Superloop threads? Just a suggestion! If anything, I thought this thread would be under Consultations rather than the current routes section. I thought the same about the Golders Green to Stamford Hill route proposal. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 20, 2024 4:02:06 GMT
I think the Richmond-Wimbledon route should be extended to Streatham, not just for the links it would provide, but for connections with the Streatham-Eltham route.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 20, 2024 4:29:03 GMT
Proves that the currant mayor sees the importance of public transport, hope Sadiq Khan gets re-elected. It proves how desperate he is to keep his job, there's been regular cuts to the bus network on his watch. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 20, 2024 9:04:41 GMT
you mean Feltham High Street sounds good Feltham Station. There's a mini bus station there that only the H25 serves, you can fit another route there |
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Post by MKAY315 on Apr 20, 2024 11:17:59 GMT
I have this feeling that the Barnet to Stratford route is not two routes split into one but one long route. I think what it will do is it may run via the 97 in Stratford City or it may follow the same path of the 241 out of Stratford City and then the 158 and then the 97 from Leyton and then parallel that until Chingford Mount and then parallel the 215 until Kings Head Hill and then parallel the 313 until Enfield and then the 307 to Barnet. But where in Barnet I do not know
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Post by TB123 on Apr 20, 2024 11:26:05 GMT
I have this feeling that the Barnet to Stratford route is not two routes split into one but one long route. I think what it will do is it may run via the 97 in Stratford City or it may follow the same path of the 241 out of Stratford City and then the 158 and then the 97 from Leyton and then parallel that until Chingford Mount and then parallel the 215 until Kings Head Hill and then parallel the 313 until Enfield and then the 307 to Barnet. But where in Barnet I do not know Surely if it were to come from that direction, Barnet Spires or Hospital would be the best, probably the latter? |
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Post by Busboy105 on Apr 20, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
I have this feeling that the Barnet to Stratford route is not two routes split into one but one long route. I think what it will do is it may run via the 97 in Stratford City or it may follow the same path of the 241 out of Stratford City and then the 158 and then the 97 from Leyton and then parallel that until Chingford Mount and then parallel the 215 until Kings Head Hill and then parallel the 313 until Enfield and then the 307 to Barnet. But where in Barnet I do not know Surely if it were to come from that direction, Barnet Spires or Hospital would be the best, probably the latter? I don't think there's stand space at either of them. However Arkley Hotel is unused |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 13:05:35 GMT
I think the Richmond-Wimbledon route should be extended to Streatham, not just for the links it would provide, but for connections with the Streatham-Eltham route. That definitely makes sense to do. |
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Post by PGAT on Apr 20, 2024 13:19:54 GMT
Where exactly in Streatham would it terminate?
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Apr 20, 2024 13:25:42 GMT
Where exactly in Streatham would it terminate? Streatham Station would make the most sense. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 20, 2024 14:25:00 GMT
My own thoughts on the individual routes proposed:
Harrow to Barnet / Barnet to Chingford
I think these routes are generally good ideas, but really the original Superloop should have gone this way in the first place. The purpose of the loop was the link major town centres in outer London, which Edgware/Enfield/Barnet are examples of, and I think would be more useful than the actual SL10/SL1 via Kingsbury, Finchley, Palmers Green etc.
However, like some other places mentioned, Barnet is a very difficult place to find additional stand space. So I think it would be better to instead extend the SL9 from Harrow to Edgware, then introduce a new Edgware-Chingford route.
Chingford to Stratford
Could be useful to the south, but I think the Overground plus stopping routes like the 97 are sufficient north of Walthamstow.
Walthamstow-Stratford might work better as part of an inner orbital loop, either continuing south of Stratford to the Royal Docks or through the Silvertown Tunnel, or continuing west of Walthamstow to Tottenham or Wood Green.
Leytonstone to South Havering
I don't get the point of this route. The 66 already uses the dual carriageway most of the way, so is fast enough, and is partly paralleled by the Central Line too. I'm also not sure what the demand is south of Romford, there's already a good network of routes to places like Hornchurch and Rainham.
Hendon to Ealing
Not too sure this is needed when the 112 already uses the North Circular all the way. It also doesn't serve any major destinations between Brent Cross and Ealing, so I think could be given more purpose if diverted through Wembley instead, offering a limited stop alternative to sections of the 182 and 483.
Ealing to Kingston
The current 65 is fast enough in low traffic, and when there is more traffic an express route won't offer much advantage. This corridor also has rail alternatives available for those travelling between the main town centres, with SWR and the District Line. A better solution would be to increase SWR to 4tph between Richmond and Kingston.
Hammersmith to Hounslow
Not sure what the point of this route is, when the Piccadilly Line and H91 already exist. Instead I think the H91 could divert via the A4 between Hammersmith and Kew Bridge - this would also offer the area around Sutton Court Road a direct link to Hammersmith. Then maybe extend something like the 9 or 211 from Hammersmith to Turnham Green to maintain capacity along Chiswick High Road. And could also extend something from Hounslow to Osterley, to provide a more direct alternative to the H28.
Richmond to Wimbledon
I think this is generally a good idea. The South Circular can get congested, but there isn't really any alternative in this area. Ideally though I would extend it a bit further from Richmond up to Ealing Broadway, and could form part of a wider Inner loop.
Streatham to Eltham
An east-west link roughly along this corridor is a good idea, but not sure about using the South Circular, which is congested and misses out on some useful destinations. I think it should instead go via Crystal Palace and Sydenham to get to Catford, then maybe up to Lewisham instead of Eltham.
Elephant & Castle to Lewisham
Clearly this is just an attempt to compensate passengers in this area for delays to the Bakerloo Line extension, but I'm still not sure it will be well used. Many passengers will want to go beyond Elephant, and those in New Cross and Lewisham would likely use existing rail services to London Bridge, Canada Water or Canary Wharf for onward connections. And passengers at Old Kent Road who rely on bus services would likely still opt to use a stopping service which goes beyond Elephant, like the 21, 172 or 453.
North Greenwich to Thamesmead
I'm unsure what the demand is for this route. I expect most passengers in Thamesmead will still travel to Woolwich or Abbey Wood to get into Central London, and the revised 472 is fairly quick for this. The Woolwich to Greenwich section already has a number of bus routes, plus rail services on the Greenwich line, or DLR+Jubilee.
Overall I think many of these routes are potentially a waste of resources, some corridors already have good bus or rail links, are too congested, or are just better suited to standard stopping services - and the same also applies to some of the existing SL routes. The more useful routes from both the current and proposed networks could be significantly simplified to create an inner and outer loop around London. This would be a lot simpler for passengers to understand, and actually match the description and purposes of the Superloop scheme, with the map reduced to two circles (each made up of about 6 routes). The only exceptions I would make are the existing SL6 and SL8, though these should be removed from the Superloop brand.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 20, 2024 15:26:54 GMT
Where exactly in Streatham would it terminate? Streatham Station would make the most sense. Depends on how frequent this route will be - it really wouldn’t surprise me if they either force it to use the unused Ambleside Avenue stand otherwise the only other option would be to push the 60 to Ambleside Avenue instead if room is an issue |
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Post by lonmark on Apr 20, 2024 15:37:27 GMT
Streatham Station would make the most sense. Depends on how frequent this route will be - it really wouldn’t surprise me if they either force it to use the unused Ambleside Avenue stand otherwise the only other option would be to push the 60 to Ambleside Avenue instead if room is an issue one problem is, the bus can't terminate for much more than 2 mins stand because of drivers need to leave from car park in back of the buildings. here |
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Post by buspete on Apr 20, 2024 15:59:53 GMT
Proves that the currant mayor sees the importance of public transport, hope Sadiq Khan gets re-elected. Yet nothing is being done to improve existing route speeds or reliability. Just millions spent on another vanity project that don’t solve the fundamental problems on the roads, just adds more buses to it. Giving people fast express buse routes - which is a credible alternative to the car is hardly a ‘vanity project’. |
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