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Post by Dad91 on Apr 19, 2024 19:13:23 GMT
be batter extended further to Feltham Leisure West Or maybe just Feltham? you mean Feltham High Street sounds good |
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Post by COBO on Apr 19, 2024 19:45:03 GMT
Map featured. Who else has noticed that SL5/SL7 change at the bottom? đ Ominous. Even though I say heâs desperate I like these new Superloops. |
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Post by routew15 on Apr 19, 2024 19:58:23 GMT
Leytonstone - South Havering route is the one Iâm least in favour of, as it is quite superfluous. Outside of strike days I donât think I have ever seen the Leytonstone- Newbury Park section of the 66 full. The Central Line is the more logical route option here.
Streatham to Eltham feels like a long route.
I would prefer if there were no changes to the SL5/SL7. I think the SL7 is better as a West Croydon to Heathrow route and SL5 Croydon to Bromley
The Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route is sensible. Although Iâm not convinced Walthamstow Central needs 3 express routes!
Itâs interesting that in this phase of the Superloop the North of London is getting the outer âlayerâ of the network while the South of London gets the inner layer.
I am of the Superloop but Ido hope some of these new routes are adjusted or binned
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 19, 2024 20:04:28 GMT
Leytonstone - South Havering route is the one Iâm least in favour of, as it is quite superfluous. Outside of strike days I donât think I have ever seen the Leytonstone- Newbury Park section of the 66 full. The Central Line is the more logical route option here. Streatham to Eltham feels like a long route. I would prefer if there were no changes to the SL5/SL7. I think the SL7 is better as a West Croydon to Heathrow route and SL5 Croydon to Bromley The Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route is sensible. Although Iâm not convinced Walthamstow Central needs 3 express routes! Itâs interesting that in this phase of the Superloop the North of London is getting the outer âlayerâ of the network while the South of London gets the inner layer. I am of the Superloop but Ido hope some of these new routes are adjusted or binned I hope that they do take a more proper look at their suggestions once the election has passed. I'm in agreement about the Leytonstone express route and I think if it does get introduced that the 66 will eventually get its frequency reduced. The Stratford-Barnet route I really do hope it's two routes that someone has mistakenly used the same colour for. But then you seem to have a Barnet-Walthamstow route and a Stratford-Walthamstow express route. While Stratford to Walthamstow is a very busy corridor will an express bus help it? I would think increases to the 69 and 97 would be of more help. |
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Post by routew15 on Apr 19, 2024 20:22:08 GMT
Leytonstone - South Havering route is the one Iâm least in favour of, as it is quite superfluous. Outside of strike days I donât think I have ever seen the Leytonstone- Newbury Park section of the 66 full. The Central Line is the more logical route option here. Streatham to Eltham feels like a long route. I would prefer if there were no changes to the SL5/SL7. I think the SL7 is better as a West Croydon to Heathrow route and SL5 Croydon to Bromley The Stratford - Walthamstow - Chingford route is sensible. Although Iâm not convinced Walthamstow Central needs 3 express routes! Itâs interesting that in this phase of the Superloop the North of London is getting the outer âlayerâ of the network while the South of London gets the inner layer. I am of the Superloop but Ido hope some of these new routes are adjusted or binned I hope that they do take a more proper look at their suggestions once the election has passed. I'm in agreement about the Leytonstone express route and I think if it does get introduced that the 66 will eventually get its frequency reduced. The Stratford-Barnet route I really do hope it's two routes that someone has mistakenly used the same colour for. But then you seem to have a Barnet-Walthamstow route and a Stratford-Walthamstow express route. While Stratford to Walthamstow is a very busy corridor will an express bus help it? I would think increases to the 69 and 97 would be of more help. If memory serves me correctly, first iteration we had of proposals for the Superloop evolved slight from what we have now (Itâs not a big difference but it is not identical to map first layed out) It looks like there is a break at Chingford (faint gap in the adjoining circles) so I am assuming we have a Barnet - Chingford and Chingford to Stratford route proposed. Consider the 69 and 97 both run at 7.5 bph an hour I donât know how much a frequency increase would actually benefit passengers. I think this Superloop route is worth a shot Maybe Iâm reading into it too much but I think the colours mean something on this version of Superloop. Green being skip stop routes and yellow/gold being express. Could be wrong but thatâs my working theory. If that is the case then the 66 could be absorbed rather reduced, not that that makes the idea any better. |
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Post by Paul on Apr 19, 2024 20:52:59 GMT
Given the relative success of all the recently added Superloop services, a second phase was always inevitable. Iâm only equipped to deal with the SE corner but I do think there are missed opportunities for small extensions to make the network more âjoined up.â
The Streatham to Eltham route is clearly intended to use the South Circular but Eltham to Woolwich seems like a relatively obvious extension along Woolwich Common
The Thamesmead to North Greenwich route is a rehash of the old Greenwich Waterfront Transit plan. The question is where does it terminate? Thamesmead Town Centre bus stand gets busy as does North Greenwich. Could this route be extended through Blackwall or Silvertown Tunnel maybe even as far as Stratford? As for the other end, maybe a slight overlap with the SL3 to Abbey Wood or possibly down to Erith? Iâve been asked multiple times in Thamesmead if my SL3 goes to Erith so there could be some demand for that?
The âBakerloopâ seems awfully short - perhaps Catford or Beckenham should be potential extensions?
And itâs been said many times before but not pushing the SL4 through to Bromley is a mistake not least because terminating at Grove Park from the north is very awkward and there isnât space on the bus stand either!
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Post by mb171 on Apr 19, 2024 21:12:40 GMT
Actually this doesn't seem like a bad idea... the superloop has shown to be quite a success.
The bakerloo style superloop looks like it would be useful - however I'd have one running from Elephant and Castle- Lewisham then Lewisham to Hayes.
superloop style bus between Eltham and Streatham seems plausible however quite lengthy.
I'm guessing SL5 would be extended from Croydon to Sutton replacing SL7 between that section.
SL7 from Sutton - Heathrow would still be quite lengthy but still would improve the routes reliability.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 19, 2024 21:28:21 GMT
I wouldnât be surprised if the âX112â somehow gets sent to North Finchley at some stage, given itâs usually where the pot of gold at the end of rainbow is from a tfl perspective
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 19, 2024 21:41:19 GMT
I wouldnât be surprised if the âX112â somehow gets sent to North Finchley at some stage, given itâs usually where the pot of gold at the end of rainbow is from a tfl perspective Looks like Walthamstow Central is rapidly becoming one of those places too. |
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Post by ronnie on Apr 19, 2024 22:00:57 GMT
I wouldnât be surprised if the âX112â somehow gets sent to North Finchley at some stage, given itâs usually where the pot of gold at the end of rainbow is from a tfl perspective Looks like Walthamstow Central is rapidly becoming one of those places too. Must be multiple stakeholders, someone staying in North Finchley, someone in Walthamstow Central! |
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Post by billa on Apr 19, 2024 22:29:13 GMT
Barnet to Stratford (X307 or X97?) would be a dirty route to control assuming its using High Road Leyton, Hoe Street, Chingford Lane up to Chingford Mount and then follows the 307 route from Ponders End. Lots of places for the route to come to a stand still, perhaps splitting it into two routes at Chingford Station would make more sense? Also surprised they didn't make the Leytonstone to South Havering (X66 or X103?) also start from Stratford
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2024 22:51:22 GMT
Given the relative success of all the recently added Superloop services, a second phase was always inevitable. Iâm only equipped to deal with the SE corner but I do think there are missed opportunities for small extensions to make the network more âjoined up.â The Streatham to Eltham route is clearly intended to use the South Circular but Eltham to Woolwich seems like a relatively obvious extension along Woolwich Common The Thamesmead to North Greenwich route is a rehash of the old Greenwich Waterfront Transit plan. The question is where does it terminate? Thamesmead Town Centre bus stand gets busy as does North Greenwich. Could this route be extended through Blackwall or Silvertown Tunnel maybe even as far as Stratford? As for the other end, maybe a slight overlap with the SL3 to Abbey Wood or possibly down to Erith? Iâve been asked multiple times in Thamesmead if my SL3 goes to Erith so there could be some demand for that? The âBakerloopâ seems awfully short - perhaps Catford or Beckenham should be potential extensions? And itâs been said many times before but not pushing the SL4 through to Bromley is a mistake not least because terminating at Grove Park from the north is very awkward and there isnât space on the bus stand either! I'm worried about how a Streatham to Eltham route would operate reliability never mind your reasonable suggestion of a Woolwich extension - the A205 is such an awful road to navigate and if this route does run via it, the Streatham to Burnt Ash section is the one of the worst stretches. That's before considering when the roadworks for the Streatham Hill cycle scheme starts (meant to be Spring this year) and when the Streatham LTN is reactivated by Lambeth. Ironically, if they diverted it to Brixton, you could effectively remove three obstacles straight away - no Christchurch Road section, no roadworks and no Streatham LTN as running via Tulse Hill & Effra Road is relatively easy especially as it would be non stop with stand space being the only real conundrum. Your extension idea may then be able to come into play. |
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Post by buspete on Apr 19, 2024 23:11:24 GMT
Proves that the currant mayor sees the importance of public transport, hope Sadiq Khan gets re-elected.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 19, 2024 23:14:34 GMT
Personally I'd run Eltham to Streatham via Crystal Palace and Lower Sydenham to Catford as it's more likely to be reliable that way than via Dulwich and Forest Hill.
However if it does operate via Dulwich, I can see the bus stops between Tulse Hill and Catford being like this.
Tulse Hill Station/Tulse Hill Hotel
West Dulwich Station
Southwark Sports Ground for Dulwich Park.
(Lordship Lane Estate maybe to help with the P13 as those stops are the busiest on Dulwich Common)
Lordship Lane/Wood Vale for interchange with Routes 176, 185, 197, 363, N63, P4.
(Horniman Museum a possibility if it means more footfall for the museum)
Forest Hill Station/London Road
Kilmorie Road for Jenner Health Centre
Catford and Catford Bridge Stations
Catford Road/Lewisham Town Hall.
The suggestions for stops in brackets are unlikely as you need to avoid as many bus stops as possible.
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Post by southlondon413 on Apr 19, 2024 23:15:38 GMT
Proves that the currant mayor sees the importance of public transport, hope Sadiq Khan gets re-elected. Yet nothing is being done to improve existing route speeds or reliability. Just millions spent on another vanity project that donât solve the fundamental problems on the roads, just adds more buses to it. |
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