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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 14, 2024 12:50:49 GMT
I don’t really think that the 365 should be removed. Yes it’s timetable I’ve heard is questionable but the problem is not resolved by removing the route. Also outside of the very infrequent & indirect 193, the 365 is the only route the Elm Park/Hornchurch area serving the Queens Hospital. I do wonder though how the 365 routing will change upon it being extended to the Beam Park Developments. If it’s removed from the Orchard Village area maybe the 287 could reroute through there going towards Barking only. The only problem is that would remove the link from Orchard Village up to Romford, and the quicker link to the District Line at Elm Park. If anything, the 365 could just do with a tweak to the timetable- the route is just off its targets set by TfL- the recent increase in EWT may just be down to the works that were taking place on North Street in Romford. I think the 165, 247, 252, 294 and 365 are probably best left as they are. As a frequent user of the routes in and around Romford there's not really that much excess capacity between Romford and Collier Row at the busier times and every one of the routes goes in a completely different direction once it arrives at Collier Row. The 365 is also quite awkward around Orchard Village; it only picks up towards Romford from New Road & not the centre of Orchard Village. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 14, 2024 13:53:59 GMT
The only problem is that would remove the link from Orchard Village up to Romford, and the quicker link to the District Line at Elm Park. If anything, the 365 could just do with a tweak to the timetable- the route is just off its targets set by TfL- the recent increase in EWT may just be down to the works that were taking place on North Street in Romford. I think the 165, 247, 252, 294 and 365 are probably best left as they are. As a frequent user of the routes in and around Romford there's not really that much excess capacity between Romford and Collier Row at the busier times and every one of the routes goes in a completely different direction once it arrives at Collier Row. The 365 is also quite awkward around Orchard Village; it only picks up towards Romford from New Road & not the centre of Orchard Village. It is however, only a 6 minute walk from Orchard Village to South Street according to Google Maps and even then, I imagine most who know how the 365 works at Beam Park, probably boards one towards South Street and then gets it from Beam Park to Elm Park & beyond. |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 15, 2024 12:25:04 GMT
Could just get rid of the 365 by replacing it with a 248 from Cranham to Havering Park, a 175 to 'Beam Park', 165 sent back via Hornchurch Road and the 372 extended to Romford with a better frequency or merge the 365 with the 165 (Havering Park to Rainham) that follows the 365 route from Havering Park to Elm Park and then just do the standard 165 routing to Rainham this would bring faster journeys for those in Rainham and 24 hour service to them That all sounds very complicated. What would replace the 365 through Orchard Village? Extend the 175 from Dagenham New Road I think the Croydon 455 changes were far more complicated and worse |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 15, 2024 12:41:11 GMT
That all sounds very complicated. What would replace the 365 through Orchard Village? I don’t really think that the 365 should be removed. Yes it’s timetable I’ve heard is questionable but the problem is not resolved by removing the route. Also outside of the very infrequent & indirect 193, the 365 is the only route the Elm Park/Hornchurch area serving the Queens Hospital. I do wonder though how the 365 routing will change upon it being extended to the Beam Park Developments. If it’s removed from the Orchard Village area maybe the 287 could reroute through there going towards Barking only. The 193 is more frequent than the 365 and it isn't as bad as some other routes like the 499 or the 165 between Elm Park and Romford where you end up going all over the place before ending up at your destination the only thing about the 193 that's annoying is the bit through Hacton Lane and serving almost all of the Romford Town Centre bus stops I'd rather just get the 248 to go to Queen's Hospital instead of South Street and maybe cut the 193 to Romford Market or The Brewery. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 15, 2024 12:45:14 GMT
That all sounds very complicated. What would replace the 365 through Orchard Village? Extend the 175 from Dagenham New Road I think the Croydon 455 changes were far more complicated and worse I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 15, 2024 13:13:27 GMT
Extend the 175 from Dagenham New Road I think the Croydon 455 changes were far more complicated and worse I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. The 312 should have been rerouted via Pamphisford Road & the 166 left unchanged but otherwise the Croydon changes have been alright so far. Still wonder if the 407/443 split will go ahead |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jun 15, 2024 13:22:22 GMT
I don’t really think that the 365 should be removed. Yes it’s timetable I’ve heard is questionable but the problem is not resolved by removing the route. Also outside of the very infrequent & indirect 193, the 365 is the only route the Elm Park/Hornchurch area serving the Queens Hospital. I do wonder though how the 365 routing will change upon it being extended to the Beam Park Developments. If it’s removed from the Orchard Village area maybe the 287 could reroute through there going towards Barking only. The 193 is more frequent than the 365 and it isn't as bad as some other routes like the 499 or the 165 between Elm Park and Romford where you end up going all over the place before ending up at your destination the only thing about the 193 that's annoying is the bit through Hacton Lane and serving almost all of the Romford Town Centre bus stops I'd rather just get the 248 to go to Queen's Hospital instead of South Street and maybe cut the 193 to Romford Market or The Brewery. The routes may go "all over the place" but not everyone is going from one end of the route to the other- in fact, very few would travel from Abbey Wood Lane to The Brewery. The 193 is quite often quicker from Hornchurch to Romford than the 248. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 15, 2024 13:23:01 GMT
I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. The 312 should have been rerouted via Pamphisford Road & the 166 left unchanged but otherwise the Croydon changes have been alright so far. Still wonder if the 407/443 split will go ahead Possibly not now. If something else can provide the service to the Old Town then tbh the 407 could probably drop to every 15 mins again with the SL7 now every 15 mins. |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 15, 2024 13:32:28 GMT
The 193 is more frequent than the 365 and it isn't as bad as some other routes like the 499 or the 165 between Elm Park and Romford where you end up going all over the place before ending up at your destination the only thing about the 193 that's annoying is the bit through Hacton Lane and serving almost all of the Romford Town Centre bus stops I'd rather just get the 248 to go to Queen's Hospital instead of South Street and maybe cut the 193 to Romford Market or The Brewery. The routes may go "all over the place" but not everyone is going from one end of the route to the other- in fact, very few would travel from Abbey Wood Lane to The Brewery. The 193 is quite often quicker from Hornchurch to Romford than the 248. Yes but those who live on Crow Lane on the 499 wanting to go to Queens Hospital or Romford have to first go to Heath Park and wait around there for a bit and then go back and there really isn't a better option for those in Abbey Wood Lane to get to Romford aside from getting a 165/287 and changing for a 103. |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 15, 2024 13:37:11 GMT
Extend the 175 from Dagenham New Road I think the Croydon 455 changes were far more complicated and worse I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. Those who used to get the 455 to/from Croydon down on Purley Way now either have to use the tram or the long 289 and the IKEA/the area around it now has no direct bus to Croydon (I know about the 264 but it is a bit far), as well as South Croydon Station not having a bus... the 312 really should've gone via the 455 to South Croydon station... or just leave it how it was |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 15, 2024 14:01:50 GMT
I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. The 312 should have been rerouted via Pamphisford Road & the 166 left unchanged but otherwise the Croydon changes have been alright so far. Still wonder if the 407/443 split will go ahead Yep I completely disagree with the OP about the 455 changes making things worse. From my point of view it has made things far more simple although the 312 should really have gone via Pampisford Road and the 166 should have been left unchanged but aside from that the changes have been a net positive. As I’ve said many times before though, I do think the 439 could be so much more useful than it is now. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 15, 2024 16:34:57 GMT
I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. Those who used to get the 455 to/from Croydon down on Purley Way now either have to use the tram or the long 289 and the IKEA/the area around it now has no direct bus to Croydon (I know about the 264 but it is a bit far), as well as South Croydon Station not having a bus... the 312 really should've gone via the 455 to South Croydon station... or just leave it how it was That argument would hold up if the tram didn’t cost exactly the same as a bus and wasn’t far more frequent. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 15, 2024 16:58:21 GMT
I'm not sure the 455 changes have been bad? The 312 down to Old Lodge Lane feels like it's always been there and as far as iv heard the S4 has coped alright. Those who used to get the 455 to/from Croydon down on Purley Way now either have to use the tram or the long 289 and the IKEA/the area around it now has no direct bus to Croydon (I know about the 264 but it is a bit far), as well as South Croydon Station not having a bus... the 312 really should've gone via the 455 to South Croydon station... or just leave it how it was I think the idea was to get people onto the tram instead and how many people used the South Croydon station stop? Very few from my random observations and it was a bit of a detour. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 15, 2024 17:30:38 GMT
Those who used to get the 455 to/from Croydon down on Purley Way now either have to use the tram or the long 289 and the IKEA/the area around it now has no direct bus to Croydon (I know about the 264 but it is a bit far), as well as South Croydon Station not having a bus... the 312 really should've gone via the 455 to South Croydon station... or just leave it how it was That argument would hold up if the tram didn’t cost exactly the same as a bus and wasn’t far more frequent. I think that has probably be the most genius decision of the tram having the same fares as buses and allowing bus passes. I can't remember if it was like that at the start or of you had to buy separate tickets from the machines on the platforms. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 15, 2024 17:59:48 GMT
The 312 should have been rerouted via Pamphisford Road & the 166 left unchanged but otherwise the Croydon changes have been alright so far. Still wonder if the 407/443 split will go ahead Possibly not now. If something else can provide the service to the Old Town then tbh the 407 could probably drop to every 15 mins again with the SL7 now every 15 mins. There's a consultation that's being released for the SL5 to extend to Sutton which would leave space open for the split |
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