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Post by greenboy on Sept 16, 2024 17:23:53 GMT
Now this is a proposal I quite like. With the 220 cycle time getting ever longer (over 3 hours) plus the prospect of an extension to Old Oak Common in time I do wonder whether there may be the prospect of shuffling the 220 and 270 in time - perhaps something like Hammersmith-Mitcham and Putney Garage-Old Oak Common with the 265 being diverted to Wandsworth I would suggest to maybe cut the 220 back to Hammersmith, operating as present to Scrubs Lane, then through Old Oak Common to Willesden Junction junction and back to Harlesden, continuing to terminate at Craven Park - with the option to maybe extend further to Wembley. Then extend the 72 from Hammersmith to Wandsworth (and converted to DDs), replacing the rest of the 220. And send the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge North Side if needed. I think the problem with the 220 is the operator rather than the route itself?
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Post by abellion on Sept 16, 2024 17:59:26 GMT
I would suggest to maybe cut the 220 back to Hammersmith, operating as present to Scrubs Lane, then through Old Oak Common to Willesden Junction junction and back to Harlesden, continuing to terminate at Craven Park - with the option to maybe extend further to Wembley. Then extend the 72 from Hammersmith to Wandsworth (and converted to DDs), replacing the rest of the 220. And send the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge North Side if needed. I think the problem with the 220 is the operator rather than the route itself? Debatable, the congestion on the route is heavy and it gets extremely crowded which slows buses down. I think anybody would struggle with it in its current state
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Post by thekbq14 on Sept 17, 2024 9:25:21 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12.
I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently.
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 17, 2024 9:34:12 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. Wasn’t the original proposal to curtail the 476 to Newington Green…?
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 17, 2024 9:37:49 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. If Oxford Street truly is to be pedestrianised (I will believe it when I see it), there will need to be a radical network re-think on how buses operate into, around, and through the West End. Nothing is off the table.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 17, 2024 11:39:28 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. If Oxford Street truly is to be pedestrianised (I will believe it when I see it), there will need to be a radical network re-think on how buses operate into, around, and through the West End. Nothing is off the table. When the pedestrianisation was last proposed, there was a lot of opposition to introducing bus routes along alternative roads such as Wigmore Street. And if even they can get around this, alternative east-west roads are only really available to the north and south of the section west of Oxford Circus. There's no obvious way to keep a bus service between Oxford Circus and Tottenham Court Road. The east end of Goodge Street is one way, so would require some road layout changes - and to the south, going via Piccadilly Circus might be too indirect. I think pedestrianising Oxford Street is generally a good idea, but transport links to get to the shops are important too - so TFL will need to consider making changes to other roads in the area before going ahead. Cutting back buses to Marble Arch or Tottenham Court Road isn't the answer for every route, as not every passenger can walk onwards to Oxford Circus (plus Oxford Circus tube station doesn't have step free access).
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 17, 2024 11:40:33 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. If the first/last stop on the 94 ends up being Bayswater Road then you may aswell axe it straight away as very few will want to walk down there from say John Lewis or H&M etc. They will just use the Central line. Might aswell leave it to the 148 and extend something local like the 31 or 49 at Acton Green.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Sept 17, 2024 13:07:45 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. If Oxford Street truly is to be pedestrianised (I will believe it when I see it), there will need to be a radical network re-think on how buses operate into, around, and through the West End. Nothing is off the table. Yes, enough piecemeal changes. Needs to be a holistic review looking into maximising direct links, logical single 'hopper' journeys when necessary and the creation of better and more attractive interchanges, bus priority and bus speeds. Pedestrianisation does't *need* to mean worse bus journeys. European cities manage to do proper mitigation to improve journeys for bus passengers and shoppers all the whilst pedestrianising.
Arguably the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street (and whatever they do with Regent Street) warrants a rethink of the general road network too.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 17, 2024 13:54:14 GMT
With Oxford Street pedestrianisation on the cards now. I won't be surprised if the 73/476 merger takes place. Plus changes with the 148 either on the Shepherd's Bush said with 94 or Camberwell side with 12. I also can see the 259/279/349 changes being bought back again as well. Just like what's happened with 14/414 changes recently. If the first/last stop on the 94 ends up being Bayswater Road then you may aswell axe it straight away as very few will want to walk down there from say John Lewis or H&M etc. They will just use the Central line. Might aswell leave it to the 148 and extend something local like the 31 or 49 at Acton Green. Maybe the idea of a stand in North Row could be revisited but having the first/last stop in Bayswater Road would be totally unacceptable.
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