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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 20:25:33 GMT
Hmm fair enough H14 could do with some sort of extension as it is very short I'd rather have the 182 rerouted via Harrow View and extended to Hatch End I think maybe if the 223 was extended wholly and given a PVR increase that could help? 223 and H14 do follow eachother from Northwick Park until Harrow View
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 20:27:28 GMT
Can passengers not change at Harlington Corner for buses to Heathrow? Also SL9 would still share stops between Hayes Town and Harlington Corner But the SL9 is a limited stop route and doesn’t serve all the stops you need the 278 to stop at the stops that the SL9 don’t stop. Thats true however people can change at Harlington Corner. There are many buses (111, 105, 285 etc.) that go from there to Central Bus Station
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 20:32:23 GMT
But the SL9 is a limited stop route and doesn’t serve all the stops you need the 278 to stop at the stops that the SL9 don’t stop. Thats true however people can change at Harlington Corner. There are many buses (111, 105, 285 etc.) that go from there to Central Bus Station No the 278 should stay where it is to serve all those stops that the Sl9 doesn’t. The H98 and 90 don’t even share the stops with the bus routes that go to Heathrow.
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 20:35:53 GMT
Thats true however people can change at Harlington Corner. There are many buses (111, 105, 285 etc.) that go from there to Central Bus Station No the 278 should stay where it is to serve all those stops that the Sl9 doesn’t. The H98 and 90 don’t even share the stops with the bus routes that go to Heathrow. Fair enough. However its not too long of a walk to the Heathrow route serving stop
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 20:38:00 GMT
No the 278 should stay where it is to serve all those stops that the Sl9 doesn’t. The H98 and 90 don’t even share the stops with the bus routes that go to Heathrow. Fair enough. However its not too long of a walk to the Heathrow route serving stop That doesn’t matter. It would be better and simpler that goes from Harlington High Street to Heathrow and that’s what the 278 provides.
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 21:26:50 GMT
U9 + A10 could call for a good route. Both short routes and terminate in Uxbridge
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 21:31:12 GMT
U9 + A10 could call for a good route. Both short routes and terminate in Uxbridge Um I don’t think so.
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 21:35:54 GMT
U9 + A10 could call for a good route. Both short routes and terminate in Uxbridge Um I don’t think so. Why?
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Post by randomy on Jul 24, 2024 21:39:53 GMT
I'd rather have the 182 rerouted via Harrow View and extended to Hatch End I think maybe if the 223 was extended wholly and given a PVR increase that could help? 223 and H14 do follow eachother from Northwick Park until Harrow View 223 can't be decked either
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Post by COBO on Jul 24, 2024 21:41:27 GMT
I think maybe if the 223 was extended wholly and given a PVR increase that could help? 223 and H14 do follow eachother from Northwick Park until Harrow View 223 can't be decked either Why not?
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Post by mrhk on Jul 24, 2024 21:43:16 GMT
223 can't be decked either Why not? [br I'm assuming low trees between Kenton and Preston
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 1:27:48 GMT
No. Not the 395 and H14 one. The H14 is busy and replacing them with 9.7m single deckers will just make it overcrowded. Hmm fair enough H14 could do with some sort of extension as it is very short You don't extend a route just because it's short. Short routes can be just as much effective as longer routes - not local to me but the H14 in question seems to work pretty well in it's current form, providing the role of linking Harrow View & Hatch End directly to Harrow & Northwick Park Hospital.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 1:33:20 GMT
Hmm fair enough H14 could do with some sort of extension as it is very short I'd rather have the 182 rerouted via Harrow View and extended to Hatch End The 182 already has a max running time of 96 minutes which is a lot for a London route and is expected to be pulled back if the 223 eventually reaches Oxhey Lane - again, I think you need to understand why the H14 exists in the first place. If I was a local, diverting the 182 that has so many traffic hotspots to replace the H14 which has almost none would absolutely baffle me.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 1:45:40 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London.
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 1:49:24 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London. The U2 still terminates at Uxbridge
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