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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jul 25, 2024 1:53:44 GMT
Merging the 78 & 363 might not be a bad shout & would have certainly been a better idea than extending the 388 to Peckham to replace the 78. The 381 could be extended to Nunhead to cover that section of the 78. Shoreditch to Crystal Palace via Tower Bridge would just cause likely reliability issues to the 363 section, particularly south of Honor Oak where the links are more unique. The old 63 era between Honor Oak and Crystal Palace was awful. I could easily wait 20-30 minutes for a 63 to go to either King's Cross or Crystal Palace. The 363 while a shorter route has seen it be more reliable, but even now I see 363s bunch up. As mentioned, the 363 has also resolved the issue of having 63 extras in the peaks between Honor Oak and Elephant to serve the section between Peckham and Old Kent Road which was only served by the 63. |
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Post by borneobus on Jul 25, 2024 3:49:19 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London. As a Hillingdon local I really appreciated your post particularly the conclusion “It's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London” – yes Uxbridge / U routes a ‘network’ within a ‘network’. Several other points re Uxbridge / wider Hillingdon if I may: 1) U2 – unsurprisingly key demographic is students travelling to/from Brunel University and can be packed in the middle of the day – a very important link to a key Hillingdon resource 2) U7 provides feed from/to Uxbridge from uniquely served roads north of the Uxbridge Road at Hayes End 3) U10 operates shopping hours only and low-frequency but serves unique roads in Swakeleys / Ickenham / Ruislip linking Uxbridge & Ruislip for many senior residents and is a ‘life-line’ for that key demographic on the route going shopping / attending doctors appointments – effectively a community bus (ditto H13) 4) 331 is essentially a ‘London Country’ route - Serves Harefield together with U9 but is an important direct link for Uxbridge / Ruislip residents to Mount Vernon Hospital 5) Speaking of hospitals Hillingdon Hospital has brilliant connectivity with local community (U1/U2/U3/U4/U5/U7) Overall, the borough is blessed with excellent transport links: a) LU Metropolitan and Piccadilly b) Elizabeth Line (West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington) c) LHR d) M4/M25/A40/M40 Connectivity is so good that I no longer drive in the UK and feel ‘liberated’ as a result. The bus network is excellent, and I personally find Metroline UX very, very good and even if I have a very early flight ex LHR I’m happy to rely on the U3 or TUK operated 350. It’s instructive that the recent Hillingdon Bus Consultation resulted in no changes being made “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it…” I’ll also use this as an example the next time I read a post on the forum stating “It’s a waste of time taking part in consultations, they are going to do it anyway…”
When you overlay the bus connectivity with airport/rail/road it’s a winning formula for transportation within Hillingdon. Many of my friends who previously lived inside the M25 have ‘retired’ to Hampshire / Dorset etc. I won’t be joining them… |
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Post by randomy on Jul 25, 2024 7:33:45 GMT
223 can't be decked either Why not? Low bridge in Windermere Avenue |
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 10:29:00 GMT
Low bridge in Windermere Avenue Double deckers can go under that bridge as most double deckers are 14 ft and that bridge is 16. The reason why double deckers can’t go on the 223 is because of the parked cars on Carlton Avenue West. The bridge has nothing to do with it as it’s clear for double deckers to go under it. According to Keith Nason who used to work at First. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 10:36:47 GMT
A few ideas Merge H98 and 278 to have one whole route from Hounslow Bus Station to Ruislip as these two routes follow exactly the same routing from Harlington Corner until Hayes End. Would be similar to the old route 98 that used to run down there Extend 427 via current 120 and divert 120 via H32s line of routing. Merge routes H11 and H17 together to have one longer route. Both routes take around half an hour each end to end so merging them wouldnt be a bad idea Cut back route H14 from Northwick Park until Harrow and extend via the 395. Not sure if 395 could take deckers however the H14 is a waste of deckers anyway. A high frequency on the new merged route would be better. The reason why the H14 was converted was because even though it’s a short route it’s a very route so the dds are needed. I’ve seen rammed single deckers on the H14 in the past. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 11:34:21 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London. The U2 still terminates at Uxbridge I was specifically referring to the town centre which the U2 doesn’t terminate in |
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 12:34:17 GMT
The U2 still terminates at Uxbridge I was specifically referring to the town centre which the U2 doesn’t terminate in But the U2 does terminate in the town centre it terminates at the station in the town centre. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 13:17:20 GMT
I was specifically referring to the town centre which the U2 doesn’t terminate in But the U2 does terminate in the town centre it terminates at the station in the town centre. Apologies, thought it didn't but my original point regardless still stands - the U network is designed to get people in and out of Uxbridge to different corners of the borough of Hillingdon hence why everything bar the U1 terminates there |
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 13:18:38 GMT
But the U2 does terminate in the town centre it terminates at the station in the town centre. Apologies, thought it didn't but my original point regardless still stands - the U network is designed to get people in and out of Uxbridge to different corners of the borough of Hillingdon hence why everything bar the U1 terminates there No problem 😉 |
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Post by mrhk on Jul 25, 2024 16:05:29 GMT
Low bridge in Windermere Avenue Double deckers can go under that bridge as most double deckers are 14 ft and that bridge is 16. The reason why double deckers can’t go on the 223 is because of the parked cars on Carlton Avenue West. The bridge has nothing to do with it as it’s clear for double deckers to go under it. According to Keith Nason who used to work at First. However in 223's first days, they used DMs which are much shorter than the current DELs that work the 223. Why couldnt it use deckers considering most are the same lenght if not shorter than the DELs? |
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Post by COBO on Jul 25, 2024 16:07:03 GMT
Double deckers can go under that bridge as most double deckers are 14 ft and that bridge is 16. The reason why double deckers can’t go on the 223 is because of the parked cars on Carlton Avenue West. The bridge has nothing to do with it as it’s clear for double deckers to go under it. According to Keith Nason who used to work at First. However in 223's first days, they used DMs which are much shorter than the current DELs that work the 223. Why couldnt it use deckers considering most are the same lenght if not shorter than the DELs? Because of the parking and the 223 doesn’t need double deckers. |
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Post by mrhk on Jul 25, 2024 16:14:17 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London. My apologies, wasnt quite thinking of length restrictions on U9 😅 Although does anyone know if the U1 + U3 mega-route will come into fruition? It would be quite the long route but could work nicely |
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Post by mrhk on Jul 25, 2024 16:15:36 GMT
However in 223's first days, they used DMs which are much shorter than the current DELs that work the 223. Why couldnt it use deckers considering most are the same lenght if not shorter than the DELs? Because of the parking and the 223 doesn’t need double deckers. Fair enough but how would parking affect the shorter length deckers and not the current DELs that work the route? |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 25, 2024 16:20:45 GMT
Because they are two routes that have such differing reasons for existing. The U9 exists to link the small village of Harefield with Uxbridge and some sections of the route are restricted to small single door single deckers whereas the A10 is a part limited stops route providing a quick and direct link from Heathrow to Uxbridge that uses much longer dual door buses and even the occasional decker. They have similar frequencies on a weekday but the U9 last bus is before 21:00 unlike the A10 which is midnight or beyond and they have a big gap interms of weekend frequencies - U9 only runs on Saturdays and at every 75 minutes whilst the A10 is every 30 minutes on both Saturdays & Sundays. My advice would be not just pick short routes and stick them together but to actually think about the routes chosen, their frequencies, running time & what the actual benefits are at the end of it as well as the disadvantages. The whole point of the U network in general is to get people from destination A into and back out of Uxbridge. Yes, the U1 & U2 don't terminate in Uxbridge no more and the A10 isn't a U route though you could argue it is in everything but prefix letter but that is where the bulk of people will going to alongside Hillingdon Hospital & Brunel University, probably the next two big destinations. Just like the R routes in Orpington, it's quite refreshing to see such a network still exist almost intact in London. My apologies, wasnt quite thinking of length restrictions on U9 😅 Although does anyone know if the U1 + U3 mega-route will come into fruition? It would be quite the long route but could work nicely The consultation for the Uxbridge area has already concluded and most of the proposed changes aren't going ahead - IMO, they reached the correct decision and the consultation report seemingly reflected that given most were against the proposed Uxbridge changes. |
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Post by COBO on Jul 27, 2024 15:21:25 GMT
Because of the parking and the 223 doesn’t need double deckers. Fair enough but how would parking affect the shorter length deckers and not the current DELs that work the route? They wouldn’t affect the shorter DMs because they can removure around the parked cars better than the longer the vehicles. They most have sorted out the parking for the DELs to get around. |
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