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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 2, 2024 19:03:01 GMT
It's the lesser of two evils, you either cause a Labour civil war at the worst possible time or just keep that portion of the party quiet. It doesn't seem to have much negative impact restoring her as a candidate anyway. It would have been interesting if she had stood as an independent. She really would have been able to let rip. Quite possibly, however there's probably only a limit that could have happened as you either get a noisy independent in the commons who can't do much damage or you defeat them. It's probably in Abbott's interests to stay within the Labour Party so that she can at least hold some sort of power. There'd also be the embarrassment if she loses. Many people vote for the party and not the person and there's a chance that even Jeremy Corbyn might not keep his seat if he goes up against a Labour candidate.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 2, 2024 19:23:09 GMT
It would have been interesting if she had stood as an independent. She really would have been able to let rip. Quite possibly, however there's probably only a limit that could have happened as you either get a noisy independent in the commons who can't do much damage or you defeat them. It's probably in Abbott's interests to stay within the Labour Party so that she can at least hold some sort of power. There'd also be the embarrassment if she loses. Many people vote for the party and not the person and there's a chance that even Jeremy Corbyn might not keep his seat if he goes up against a Labour candidate. Probably the main thing in Corbyns favour now is the lateness of finding a Labour candidate and to get their name out there. I think of all independents ever he has the best chance.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 2, 2024 23:25:40 GMT
Diane Abbott has had the whip restored and is now a Labour MP again. However there is some confusion about whether she is permitted to stand again, with Abbott herself currently claiming she is 'barred' from standing as a Labour candidate at the forthcoming election. Although she is a pain in the proverbial, she is a trailblazing pain - the first-ever Black woman MP in the House of Commons - and her career should be allowed to end with more dignity. There is now clarity - Kier Starmer has said that Diane Abbott is "free to go forward as a Labour candidate". UPDATE: it has now been clarified that she will be the candidate for Hackney North & Stoke Newington, and the NEC (National Executive Committee) will endorse her. (Currently on BBC News live). After being a wimp to say so. Many are saying even from Abbotts own team that the person who did not want her standing is Starmer and is doubling down to try not to be the bad guy as he did not realise it would go this far.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 2, 2024 23:28:22 GMT
It does not surprise me with Starmer, he did this before with two South East candidates who should have been up for MP and prevented them from being MP Faiza Shaheen is upset to have been banned from standing in Chingford & Woodford Green again. Given how well known she is there, together with how close she was to defeating Iain Duncan Smith last time, I do sympathise. Labour have even dipped a bit in my estimation as a result. While I disagree with some of Diane Abbott's politics, I similarly think some of how she was treated before being allowed to stand for re-election was bad too. Comes from the top again. Starmer has done this with numerous candidates over the past 4 years now.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 2, 2024 23:34:18 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 2, 2024 23:35:34 GMT
Keir Starmer would not have a lot of choice if Trump were to be re-elected President, the best we can hope for in that situation is that Starmer, with other world leaders, would act as a force of moderation. Sunak's current silence on this issue is deafening. At least he has the luxury of not having to express an opinion. I am sure if it was the other way around, people like yourself would be insulting Sunak like how they did for Boris when Trump was initially in power. Funny how people and the press cloud their judgement.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 3, 2024 7:44:49 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 3, 2024 7:48:46 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 9:17:50 GMT
Thou in fairness she was saying the truth I'd say.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 3, 2024 13:09:11 GMT
Quite possibly, however there's probably only a limit that could have happened as you either get a noisy independent in the commons who can't do much damage or you defeat them. It's probably in Abbott's interests to stay within the Labour Party so that she can at least hold some sort of power. There'd also be the embarrassment if she loses. Many people vote for the party and not the person and there's a chance that even Jeremy Corbyn might not keep his seat if he goes up against a Labour candidate. Probably the main thing in Corbyns favour now is the lateness of finding a Labour candidate and to get their name out there. I think of all independents ever he has the best chance. Its very rare for independent candidates to win seats at general elections, the odds are just so stacked against them as they have no party machine behind them to support their campaign. Corbyn has a cult following and decades of incumbency as a Labour MP in Islington North which will help him massively but trying to win a seat in the first place without a party affiliation is so difficult. Also not to mention the costs of running a campaign, printing leaflets etc. and the need to have an army of volunteers to help deliver them and knock on doors. I would suggest other disrungtled people who have been mistreated by Labour would be better off joining an existing party instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 13:29:21 GMT
Probably the main thing in Corbyns favour now is the lateness of finding a Labour candidate and to get their name out there. I think of all independents ever he has the best chance. Its very rare for independent candidates to win seats at general elections, the odds are just so stacked against them as they have no party machine behind them to support their campaign. Corbyn has a cult following and decades of incumbency as a Labour MP in Islington North which will help him massively but trying to win a seat in the first place without a party affiliation is so difficult. Also not to mention the costs of running a campaign, printing leaflets etc. and the need to have an army of volunteers to help deliver them and knock on doors. I would suggest other disrungtled people who have been mistreated by Labour would be better off joining an existing party instead. I agree. It would never happen but Corbyn as a lib Dem in Islington North might have been a winning option. I remember at the last election there were a few Tory and Labour MPs who deflected to the Liberal Democrats but not in their own seats and all had no success. Chukka Ummana was one I know who went from Labour in Streatham to Lib Dem in Cities of London and Westminster.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 3, 2024 13:32:13 GMT
Its very rare for independent candidates to win seats at general elections, the odds are just so stacked against them as they have no party machine behind them to support their campaign. Corbyn has a cult following and decades of incumbency as a Labour MP in Islington North which will help him massively but trying to win a seat in the first place without a party affiliation is so difficult. Also not to mention the costs of running a campaign, printing leaflets etc. and the need to have an army of volunteers to help deliver them and knock on doors. I would suggest other disrungtled people who have been mistreated by Labour would be better off joining an existing party instead. I agree. It would never happen but Corbyn as a lib Dem in Islington North might have been a winning option. I remember at the last election there were a few Tory and Labour MPs who deflected to the Liberal Democrats but not in their own seats and all had no success. Chukka Ummana was one I know who went from Labour in Streatham to Lib Dem in Cities of London and Westminster. The LibDems are probably unlikely to even accept Corbyn as they're a centrist party while Corbyn is far left. I'd imagine if he wanted any luck with another party his best choice would be the Greens.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 13:43:54 GMT
I agree. It would never happen but Corbyn as a lib Dem in Islington North might have been a winning option. I remember at the last election there were a few Tory and Labour MPs who deflected to the Liberal Democrats but not in their own seats and all had no success. Chukka Ummana was one I know who went from Labour in Streatham to Lib Dem in Cities of London and Westminster. The LibDems are probably unlikely to even accept Corbyn as they're a centrist party while Corbyn is far left. I'd imagine if he wanted any luck with another party his best choice would be the Greens. And even that I doubt he would be able to modify his ideas to suit them. He really does suit being a one man band. I still think his long service in the constituency will be his best asset but at the same time people do still want their MP to be part of a bigger party.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 3, 2024 15:26:31 GMT
Nigel Farage has announced he will be standing as an MP for Clacton and will also assume the party leadership.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 15:47:26 GMT
Nigel Farage has announced he will be standing as an MP for Clacton and will also assume the party leadership. Wasn't Clacton the first UKIP constituency all those years ago?
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