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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 6, 2024 16:26:25 GMT
If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? The last five years have been difficult but who could have forseen the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine? Would Labour have done any better? I very much doubt it and I fear the Tory doomongers may well be right. Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. We might now be atleast able to have more adult chats about out relationship with Europe now. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 6, 2024 16:49:51 GMT
If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? The last five years have been difficult but who could have forseen the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine? Would Labour have done any better? I very much doubt it and I fear the Tory doomongers may well be right. Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. You seem to be fixated about Brexit, most people have long since accepted the referendum and moved on. |
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Post by busman on Jul 6, 2024 17:55:35 GMT
All these Tories with their doomsday predictions and fear mongering makes me laugh. They have screwed the country up over 14 years. What do they have to show for it? The previous Labour (Blair) and Tory (Thatcher) governments for their eventual shortcomings could at least point to a list of achievements. What have the outgoing self-serving bunch of ideologues got to show for 14 years in government? The country is undoubtedly in a worse place on just about every metric. It really cannot get any worse than it already is. Truss was a nadir for this country and for the same party to issue out warnings over any other party is beyond parody. Good luck to Starmer, he will need it. He has 5 years to make a positive impact on the lives of those who have been let down and left behind. We need a run of global stability to settle markets and supply chains, but with populists and dictators in charge of the major countries the outlook doesn’t look great. That is beyond the control of any domestic government, but a policy to become self sustaining in our energy generation and to create a British energy company seems sensible. Much will depend on Labour’s ideas actually working and delivering jobs and better quality of life for everyone. I’m hoping Labour succeeds, because if they don’t we have 5 years of more failure and before you know it Farage will be Prime Minister. Then we really will be in trouble. It will be like Truss but tenfold worse. Except when people finally realise that foreigners aren’t actually the problem it will be too late, the damage will be done and irreversible as chunks of our national infrastructure are given over to private foreign companies and national debts and interest rates soar through the roof. The kind of circumstances that wars are borne out of. Reform policies on the surface look enticing to the average person, but once you dig into the details and the consequences they are the threat to the nation that all parties should be warning against. It’s basically Fascism in appeal (the foreigner is our enemy diluting our nation, no to communism, no to globalism, no to liberalism, no to conservatism) and prescribes nationalist (insular, but appeal to the common person - benefits, Brits first approach) and libertarian (dog eat dog, survival of the fittest) medicine for the nation. Yet with a shrunk government and civil service. And the largest budgetary black hole of all the parties. Farage is as big a threat (if not bigger) to national security and stability than Corbyn.Labour needs to succeed to avoid the spectre of Farage and collaborate with the left, centre and the right (yes Labour voters, the right also have good ideas) to govern in the best interests of the nation and steer us out of 14 straight years of decline. Zero room for complacency - look at Netherlands and now France as examples. If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? Corbyn. |
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Post by ibus246 on Jul 6, 2024 18:21:26 GMT
All these Tories with their doomsday predictions and fear mongering makes me laugh. They have screwed the country up over 14 years. What do they have to show for it? The previous Labour (Blair) and Tory (Thatcher) governments for their eventual shortcomings could at least point to a list of achievements. What have the outgoing self-serving bunch of ideologues got to show for 14 years in government? The country is undoubtedly in a worse place on just about every metric. It really cannot get any worse than it already is. Truss was a nadir for this country and for the same party to issue out warnings over any other party is beyond parody. Good luck to Starmer, he will need it. He has 5 years to make a positive impact on the lives of those who have been let down and left behind. We need a run of global stability to settle markets and supply chains, but with populists and dictators in charge of the major countries the outlook doesn’t look great. That is beyond the control of any domestic government, but a policy to become self sustaining in our energy generation and to create a British energy company seems sensible. Much will depend on Labour’s ideas actually working and delivering jobs and better quality of life for everyone. I’m hoping Labour succeeds, because if they don’t we have 5 years of more failure and before you know it Farage will be Prime Minister. Then we really will be in trouble. It will be like Truss but tenfold worse. Except when people finally realise that foreigners aren’t actually the problem it will be too late, the damage will be done and irreversible as chunks of our national infrastructure are given over to private foreign companies and national debts and interest rates soar through the roof. The kind of circumstances that wars are borne out of. Reform policies on the surface look enticing to the average person, but once you dig into the details and the consequences they are the threat to the nation that all parties should be warning against. It’s basically Fascism in appeal (the foreigner is our enemy diluting our nation, no to communism, no to globalism, no to liberalism, no to conservatism) and prescribes nationalist (insular, but appeal to the common person - benefits, Brits first approach) and libertarian (dog eat dog, survival of the fittest) medicine for the nation. Yet with a shrunk government and civil service. And the largest budgetary black hole of all the parties. Farage is as big a threat (if not bigger) to national security and stability than Corbyn. Labour needs to succeed to avoid the spectre of Farage and collaborate with the left, centre and the right (yes Labour voters, the right also have good ideas) to govern in the best interests of the nation and steer us out of 14 straight years of decline. Zero room for complacency - look at Netherlands and now France as examples. If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? The last five years have been difficult but who could have forseen the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine? Would Labour have done any better? I very much doubt it and I fear the Tory doomongers may well be right. I think most would agree that having someone like Boris Bloody Johnson managing the pandemic was absolutely terrible and again most would agree Kier Starmer would have done a much better job, Isn’t it funny how the filthy tories took full credit for inflation decreasing but when it went into double digits it has absolutely nothing to do with them? Nothing to do with me Guv. Good riddance to the filthy party |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 6, 2024 18:25:14 GMT
If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? The last five years have been difficult but who could have forseen the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine? Would Labour have done any better? I very much doubt it and I fear the Tory doomongers may well be right. I think most would agree that having someone like Boris Bloody Johnson managing the pandemic was absolutely terrible and again most would agree Kier Starmer would have done a much better job, Isn’t it funny how the filthy tories took full credit for inflation decreasing but when it went into double digits it has absolutely nothing to do with them? Nothing to do with me Guv. Good riddance to the filthy party Perhaps we should remember the war in Iraq when our troops died and often didn't have sufficient equipment. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 6, 2024 18:31:11 GMT
If they've screwed the country up for fourteen years how did they win a landslide victory less than five years ago? The last five years have been difficult but who could have forseen the pandemic and the situation in Ukraine? Would Labour have done any better? I very much doubt it and I fear the Tory doomongers may well be right. I think most would agree that having someone like Boris Bloody Johnson managing the pandemic was absolutely terrible and again most would agree Kier Starmer would have done a much better job, Isn’t it funny how the filthy tories took full credit for inflation decreasing but when it went into double digits it has absolutely nothing to do with them? Nothing to do with me Guv. Good riddance to the filthy party Does anyone really think Keir Starmer would have done a better job? 🤣 🤣 |
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 6, 2024 18:36:45 GMT
I think most would agree that having someone like Boris Bloody Johnson managing the pandemic was absolutely terrible and again most would agree Kier Starmer would have done a much better job, Isn’t it funny how the filthy tories took full credit for inflation decreasing but when it went into double digits it has absolutely nothing to do with them? Nothing to do with me Guv. Good riddance to the filthy party Does anyone really think Keir Starmer would have done a better job? 🤣 🤣 I do. He might at least have turned up to all the COBRA meetings. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 6, 2024 19:20:10 GMT
Does anyone really think Keir Starmer would have done a better job? 🤣 🤣 I do. He might at least have turned up to all the COBRA meetings. You know full well that Prime Ministers aren’t required to attend all COBRA meetings, they are allowed to delegate to ministers who can then report back to them. When the situation evolved Johnson did attend them. As for Starmer it is well documented that he and other senior labour MPs were pushing for harder lockdowns which would have absolutely decimated the country. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 6, 2024 19:42:21 GMT
Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. You seem to be fixated about Brexit, most people have long since accepted the referendum and moved on. He did say that the 2019 election was won on the idea that Boris Johnson would "get Brexit done", which is definitely true, but I don't think the Conservatives lost this election based on Brexit.
Having said that, I can see the backlash to Brexit getting stronger over the next 5 years given we'll have experienced it long enough to have identified whether or not it was actually a beneficial decision for this country. I'm inclined to say it wasn't, but 2029 could prove an interesting election on this issue especially if Reform continue to garner support from ex Conservative voters.
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Post by buspete on Jul 6, 2024 19:43:27 GMT
Prime Ministers weren’t required to attend parties, especially when it was the said Prime Minister who put the country into lockdown. He did attend Cobra meetings until he got bored with them.
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Post by buspete on Jul 6, 2024 19:44:56 GMT
Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. We might now be atleast able to have more adult chats about out relationship with Europe now. Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. You seem to be fixated about Brexit, most people have long since accepted the referendum and moved on. I just answered the question you asked, sorry you didn’t like the answer. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 6, 2024 19:50:33 GMT
We might now be atleast able to have more adult chats about out relationship with Europe now. You seem to be fixated about Brexit, most people have long since accepted the referendum and moved on. I just answered the question you asked, sorry you didn’t like the answer. You haven't answered any question you just reverted to your fixation about Brexit. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jul 6, 2024 19:54:01 GMT
Brexit. And Brexit is the reason they lost the last election. Ukraine and the Pandemic weren’t unique to these shores, Brexit was. We might now be atleast able to have more adult chats about out relationship with Europe now. Well given how sensible this government sounds already I should think politics might become slightly more boring and for better or for worse, we'll likely wake up and smell the coffee surrounding Brexit given how much it has been overshadowed by the many Conservative Party mishaps and scandals that unfolded post 2021. I'm hoping we do have a return to pre 1997 style politics, hopefully a little bit more nitty gritty and boredom rather than personalities. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 6, 2024 19:55:13 GMT
Prime Ministers weren’t required to attend parties, especially when it was the said Prime Minister who put the country into lockdown. He did attend Cobra meetings until he got bored with them. Neither was the Sky News team or Rita Ora but they all had parties as well. If you think Boris Johnson was sitting and writing out the rules himself you are deluded. |
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Post by busman on Jul 6, 2024 20:36:27 GMT
I do. He might at least have turned up to all the COBRA meetings. You know full well that Prime Ministers aren’t required to attend all COBRA meetings, they are allowed to delegate to ministers who can then report back to them. When the situation evolved Johnson did attend them. As for Starmer it is well documented that he and other senior labour MPs were pushing for harder lockdowns which would have absolutely decimated the country. Would have, could have, might have. All hearsay. Just look at the actual state of the country. It’s a mess. Starmer has his work cut out to make Brexit work for us along with everything else. Let’s focus on what actually happened and the future outcomes and not F.E.A.R. (False Evidence Appearing Real). Starmer was a top civil servant with an outstanding track record: www.civilserviceworld.com/in-depth/article/keir-starmer-senior-civil-servant-dpp-cps-prime-minister-profileHe knows how policy meets the reality of actual implementation. I’m optimistic that will translate into tangible results for ordinary people. Starmer has already indicated he will collaborate with local mayors regardless of what party they belong to. I hope he ditches the partisan nonsense that has plagued the UK for so long. Brexit necessitates a more united approach. The appointment of James Timpson looks to be quite astute. Building prisons is one half of the prison space equation, prisoner rehabilitation and reduction in reoffending is the other half. Timpson knows a thing or two about helping ex-prisoners become contributing members of society. Good luck to Starmer and his mission to get the UK functioning again. |
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