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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 10:49:40 GMT
Think it is more likely a change of tactic as opposed to him standing down, if he stands down nobody knows who will replace him and with what ideology. You could very well end up with someone even worse like Kemi Badenoch who would just alienate voters even further. It makes sense to effectively take Sunak down with the election then completely rebuild with whoever is left and then work your way from there. It's effectively what Labour have done since the last election. His PR team do need to pull their socks up though.
His PR team do need to pull their socks up though.
In three days... 1) Rishi Sunak is sent to out to make announcement in pouring rain without an umbrella in scenes that appear to take on their own symbolism 2) At a distribution centre in Derbyshire, he took a question from a member of the 'public' who apparently is a Conservative Councilor 3) In Barry, no-one thought to tell him that Wales hadn't qualified for the Euros 4) In Belfast Sunak visits 'Titanic Quarter' which invites all the obvious 'open goal' questions 5) He is allowed to be photographed a) with one of the (I'm assuming) iconic Harland & Wolff cranes rising through his head b) on a private jet framed by the 'Exit' sign Yes I understand it's about manifesto and policy but the optics of this display a level of amateurism and lack of political savvy. Or they are playing a blinder by keeping him public consciousness. The Mr Bean style bumbling buffoon worked for BJ by making him more relatable to the common voter. If he is consistently trending on Twitter, in memes on TikTok and in the papers for his media faux pas then it keeps him relevant to younger and undecided voters who may be be swayed by what they see as funny. |
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Post by busman on May 25, 2024 11:02:44 GMT
Lots of rumours on line about Rishi Sunak possibly standing down tomorrow! He is taking a day off from the campaign. Think it is more likely a change of tactic as opposed to him standing down, if he stands down nobody knows who will replace him and with what ideology. You could very well end up with someone even worse like Kemi Badenoch who would just alienate voters even further. It makes sense to effectively take Sunak down with the election then completely rebuild with whoever is left and then work your way from there. It's effectively what Labour have done since the last election. His PR team do need to pull their socks up though. No amount of sock pulling-upping can mask over 14 years of abject failure. |
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2024 11:47:05 GMT
His PR team do need to pull their socks up though.
In three days... 1) Rishi Sunak is sent to out to make announcement in pouring rain without an umbrella in scenes that appear to take on their own symbolism 2) At a distribution centre in Derbyshire, he took a question from a member of the 'public' who apparently is a Conservative Councilor 3) In Barry, no-one thought to tell him that Wales hadn't qualified for the Euros 4) In Belfast Sunak visits 'Titanic Quarter' which invites all the obvious 'open goal' questions 5) He is allowed to be photographed a) with one of the (I'm assuming) iconic Harland & Wolff cranes rising through his head b) on a private jet framed by the 'Exit' sign Yes I understand it's about manifesto and policy but the optics of this display a level of amateurism and lack of political savvy. Or they are playing a blinder by keeping him public consciousness. The Mr Bean style bumbling buffoon worked for BJ by making him more relatable to the common voter. If he is consistently trending on Twitter, in memes on TikTok and in the papers for his media faux pas then it keeps him relevant to younger and undecided voters who may be be swayed by what they see as funny. It worked for Boris because he is actually a bumbling buffoon although that isn’t no longer a gimme for him anymore. Rishi isn’t that and will simply never be relatable. He is consistently trending for all the wrong reasons so no amount of appearing like Mr Bean on social media will save him. I’m actually starting to wonder if he actually wants to lose the election rather than try and put up a fight |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 11:55:52 GMT
Or they are playing a blinder by keeping him public consciousness. The Mr Bean style bumbling buffoon worked for BJ by making him more relatable to the common voter. If he is consistently trending on Twitter, in memes on TikTok and in the papers for his media faux pas then it keeps him relevant to younger and undecided voters who may be be swayed by what they see as funny. It worked for Boris because he is actually a bumbling buffoon although that isn’t no longer a gimme for him anymore. Rishi isn’t that and will simply never be relatable. He is consistently trending for all the wrong reasons so no amount of appearing like Mr Bean on social media will save him. I’m actually starting to wonder if he actually wants to lose the election rather than try and put up a fight In many ways yes but it’s also a good way to keep those rivals new stories to the back pages, after all no press is bad press and it’s all about public consciousness these days. It’s an odd strategy but I don’t think he does want to win, it’s more about damage control. But I think we’ll see a repeat of 2010 with a hung government and as Starmer has ruled out a coalition we should be prepared for at least 5 years of ineffective government. Really it feels a bit like Sunak has decided to destabilise what’s left of parliament. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 25, 2024 12:02:33 GMT
It worked for Boris because he is actually a bumbling buffoon although that isn’t no longer a gimme for him anymore. Rishi isn’t that and will simply never be relatable. He is consistently trending for all the wrong reasons so no amount of appearing like Mr Bean on social media will save him. I’m actually starting to wonder if he actually wants to lose the election rather than try and put up a fight In many ways yes but it’s also a good way to keep those rivals new stories to the back pages, after all no press is bad press and it’s all about public consciousness these days. It’s an odd strategy but I don’t think he does want to win, it’s more about damage control. But I think we’ll see a repeat of 2010 with a hung government and as Starmer has ruled out a coalition we should be prepared for at least 5 years of ineffective government. Really it feels a bit like Sunak has decided to destabilise what’s left of parliament. I don't think that Sunak will gather votes as a result of his trending. Boris was trending because people found his gaffs funny, even when he wasn't trying to be like the fridge incident. He also had a very strong message that people resonated with, Get Brexit Done. Sunak has none of these, he has no strong message at all and his gaffs aren't funny, they just make him look out of touch and away from reality. The people that probably still may have voted for him are more likely to be put off from it than to resonate with it. I think the 1997 style Tory MP departure numbers speaks a lot about how well this could go for Labour. Unless Labour self implode I think Starmer is ruling out coalitions because he won't need one. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 25, 2024 12:07:06 GMT
It worked for Boris because he is actually a bumbling buffoon although that isn’t no longer a gimme for him anymore. Rishi isn’t that and will simply never be relatable. He is consistently trending for all the wrong reasons so no amount of appearing like Mr Bean on social media will save him. I’m actually starting to wonder if he actually wants to lose the election rather than try and put up a fight In many ways yes but it’s also a good way to keep those rivals new stories to the back pages, after all no press is bad press and it’s all about public consciousness these days. It’s an odd strategy but I don’t think he does want to win, it’s more about damage control. But I think we’ll see a repeat of 2010 with a hung government and as Starmer has ruled out a coalition we should be prepared for at least 5 years of ineffective government. Really it feels a bit like Sunak has decided to destabilise what’s left of parliament. I agree with you and I still think Rishi is sending votes to the Lib Dems rather then Labour knowing full well it could lead to something more like a 3 way split and more likely to have another election soon after. I'm probably in a minority but I still don't see a Labour landslide with many safe Tory seats being Liberal or even Green. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 12:11:29 GMT
In many ways yes but it’s also a good way to keep those rivals new stories to the back pages, after all no press is bad press and it’s all about public consciousness these days. It’s an odd strategy but I don’t think he does want to win, it’s more about damage control. But I think we’ll see a repeat of 2010 with a hung government and as Starmer has ruled out a coalition we should be prepared for at least 5 years of ineffective government. Really it feels a bit like Sunak has decided to destabilise what’s left of parliament. I don't think that Sunak will gather votes as a result of his trending. Boris was trending because people found his gaffs funny, even when he wasn't trying to be like the fridge incident. He also had a very strong message that people resonated with, Get Brexit Done. Sunak has none of these, he has no strong message at all and his gaffs aren't funny, they just make him look out of touch and away from reality. The people that probably still may have voted for him are more likely to be put off from it than to resonate with it. I think the 1997 style Tory MP departure numbers speaks a lot about how well this could go for Labour. Unless Labour self implode I think Starmer is ruling out coalitions because he won't need one. I still think the public is rather on the fence about Starmer, he just seems disingenuous to me. I know we don’t vote for a PM but given the rather short term notice with many candidates still to be selected it feels like this election is very much a leader vote as opposed to a MP/party vote. If Labour win the election I expect there will be a lot of pressure on Starmer rather than his MPs and cabinet to deliver changes. I also think the media will place far more scrutiny on him than any PM before and I don’t think he’ll last a full term. Then we’ll end up with the pound shop rag to riches Rayner as PM. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 25, 2024 12:17:35 GMT
I don't think that Sunak will gather votes as a result of his trending. Boris was trending because people found his gaffs funny, even when he wasn't trying to be like the fridge incident. He also had a very strong message that people resonated with, Get Brexit Done. Sunak has none of these, he has no strong message at all and his gaffs aren't funny, they just make him look out of touch and away from reality. The people that probably still may have voted for him are more likely to be put off from it than to resonate with it. I think the 1997 style Tory MP departure numbers speaks a lot about how well this could go for Labour. Unless Labour self implode I think Starmer is ruling out coalitions because he won't need one. I still think the public is rather on the fence about Starmer, he just seems disingenuous to me. I know we don’t vote for a PM but given the rather short term notice with many candidates still to be selected it feels like this election is very much a leader vote as opposed to a MP/party vote. If Labour win the election I expect there will be a lot of pressure on Starmer rather than his MPs and cabinet to deliver changes. I also think the media will place far more scrutiny on him than any PM before and I don’t think he’ll last a full term. Then we’ll end up with the pound shop rag to riches Rayner as PM. I can't see Rayner becoming PM, she's probably sound as a deputy much like Margaret Beckett was but probably won't manage a leadership one. I think any successor would be Rachel Reeves who already tends to be popular with the public. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
I still think the public is rather on the fence about Starmer, he just seems disingenuous to me. I know we don’t vote for a PM but given the rather short term notice with many candidates still to be selected it feels like this election is very much a leader vote as opposed to a MP/party vote. If Labour win the election I expect there will be a lot of pressure on Starmer rather than his MPs and cabinet to deliver changes. I also think the media will place far more scrutiny on him than any PM before and I don’t think he’ll last a full term. Then we’ll end up with the pound shop rag to riches Rayner as PM. I can't see Rayner becoming PM, she's probably sound as a deputy much like Margaret Beckett was but probably won't manage a leadership one. I think any successor would be Rachel Reeves who already tends to be popular with the public. We’ll see how popular she proves when she has to raise taxes to pay for benefits for immigrants, those who won’t work and the perpetually lazy. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 25, 2024 12:27:11 GMT
I can't see Rayner becoming PM, she's probably sound as a deputy much like Margaret Beckett was but probably won't manage a leadership one. I think any successor would be Rachel Reeves who already tends to be popular with the public. We’ll see how popular she proves when she has to raise taxes to pay for benefits for immigrants, those who won’t work and the perpetually lazy. This is partly the joke when Labour say the tax burden is so high. How on earth then if its not high can they pay for no child to be hungry, no NHS waiting lists, fantastic public transport, Khan thinking he's getting a huge amount of money etc. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 12:29:45 GMT
We’ll see how popular she proves when she has to raise taxes to pay for benefits for immigrants, those who won’t work and the perpetually lazy. This is partly the joke when Labour say the tax burden is so high. How on earth then if its not high can they pay for no child to be hungry, no NHS waiting lists, fantastic public transport, Khan thinking he's getting a huge amount of money etc. Don’t worry it’ll be the middle earner who’s f**ked over again. Don’t worry, I don’t have dreams of paying off my mortgage or being able to afford a holiday or two a year or paying cash for a brand new car. Instead I have to pay for some lazy arsehole to sit and watch This Morning or some rich banker to earn millions so they can then hide it away off shore. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 25, 2024 12:39:39 GMT
This is partly the joke when Labour say the tax burden is so high. How on earth then if its not high can they pay for no child to be hungry, no NHS waiting lists, fantastic public transport, Khan thinking he's getting a huge amount of money etc. Don’t worry it’ll be the middle earner who’s f**ked over again. Don’t worry, I don’t have dreams of paying off my mortgage or being able to afford a holiday or two a year or paying cash for a brand new car. Instead I have to pay for some lazy arsehole to sit and watch This Morning or some rich banker to earn millions so they can then hide it away off shore. The Tories have also raised taxes in the past and have done nothing for the middle earner, at least we might as well have a party that knows what it's doing running the country. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 25, 2024 12:41:06 GMT
Don’t worry it’ll be the middle earner who’s f**ked over again. Don’t worry, I don’t have dreams of paying off my mortgage or being able to afford a holiday or two a year or paying cash for a brand new car. Instead I have to pay for some lazy arsehole to sit and watch This Morning or some rich banker to earn millions so they can then hide it away off shore. The Tories have also raised taxes in the past and have done nothing for the middle earner, at least we might as well have a party that knows what it's doing running the country. I don’t see how any other party could do anything differently. It’s the same poo with a different colour. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 25, 2024 13:36:34 GMT
Don’t worry it’ll be the middle earner who’s f**ked over again. Don’t worry, I don’t have dreams of paying off my mortgage or being able to afford a holiday or two a year or paying cash for a brand new car. Instead I have to pay for some lazy arsehole to sit and watch This Morning or some rich banker to earn millions so they can then hide it away off shore. The Tories have also raised taxes in the past and have done nothing for the middle earner, at least we might as well have a party that knows what it's doing running the country. Thou the amount of Labour councils that have come close to going bust thou doesn't always back up when Starmer and Rachel Reeves say that they won't take risks with our money. |
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Post by wirewiper on May 25, 2024 15:02:46 GMT
In many ways yes but it’s also a good way to keep those rivals new stories to the back pages, after all no press is bad press and it’s all about public consciousness these days. It’s an odd strategy but I don’t think he does want to win, it’s more about damage control. But I think we’ll see a repeat of 2010 with a hung government and as Starmer has ruled out a coalition we should be prepared for at least 5 years of ineffective government. Really it feels a bit like Sunak has decided to destabilise what’s left of parliament. I agree with you and I still think Rishi is sending votes to the Lib Dems rather then Labour knowing full well it could lead to something more like a 3 way split and more likely to have another election soon after. I'm probably in a minority but I still don't see a Labour landslide with many safe Tory seats being Liberal or even Green. The Lib-Dems will do well in their South West strongholds (and I'm happy to vote for them to get the Tory incumbent out in my constituency), also in the South-West London area which is also a stronghold. However in much of the rest of the country the swing will be strongly to Labour, and Labour will also benefit from the troubles that are afflicting the SNP. The Green are only seriously contesting four seats; Brighton Pavilion, Bristol Central, Waveney Valley (Suffolk) and North Herefordshire. They will probably retain Brighton and would be delighted to take Bristol Central as it would unseat a relatively high-profile Labour MP. We are likely to have one Independent MP (Jeremy Corbyn has a huge and loyal local following), possibly two if Diane Abbott does not regain the Labour whip. But in the grand scheme of things these are distractions. |
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