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Post by southlondonbus on May 31, 2024 20:21:04 GMT
That would be my thoughts. Good to try things but £25m for 3 months would be hard to justify if it hadn't pulled in much extra revenue. The practicalities just don’t work out. No one who is going out on a Friday night in town is going into the office because chances are they’d have to lug their laptops around with them in case of weekend emergencies or work from home Mondays. It’s easier to just not bother and then by that point you’ll just stay local or order a takeaway at home. Chiltern trains are running a couple of extra peak journeys now on Tuesday to Thursday only. Maybe in the future in we'll see a slight drop of freqs on the underground etc on Mondays and Fridays. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 31, 2024 21:26:07 GMT
I would keep the 211 on its current routing to not break links to Chelsea & Westminster Hospital (14 would then be the only route serving outside the hospital when the 414 gets withdrawn). Perhaps though the 306 to Chelsea worlds end to keep the round corner link & 28 rerouted through Sands End could work though. I don’t particularly like that there isn’t a direct link from the Sands End area to Wandsworth I actually think that it could be well utilised. I don't believe the 28 should be re-routed - going through Sands End would add extra time to a route that already has it's issues at it is and it's higher frequency is probably unnecessary for that area. I also imagine Worlds End residents may not welcome the 306 alongside the 328 at Worlds End and the 328 doesn't need any modifying to it at that end. If you want to best achieve a Sands End to Wandsworth link, an extension of the 306 is really the best solution with no changes to other routes. I’d argue that the 28 being rerouted via Sands End may speed up journey times particularly when Wandsworth Bridge Road is clogged with traffic (which it often is) as Imperial Road has a bus lane that would enable the 28 to skip most of the traffic if that road has a lot of it as well. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 31, 2024 22:11:55 GMT
Interesting idea to swap the 24 and 38, the only potential problems I can see are the loss of the link between Pimlico and Victoria Street and I don't know if it would cause any problems not having empty buses starting from Victoria to Piccadilly Circus etc? I dont think Ive seen anyone at Victoria Street board a bus to Pimlico to be honest. The residential 24 routing isnt all that with demand, usually the only person on the bus after Victoria Station every time ive ridden it. Anyone for Pimlico would most likely board using the 2/36/185 which also share a common stop. And as for the latter, it would be difficult without that bus station lining up agreement which might cause some congestion at the current 24 bus stop in Victoria outside the Theatre, but the 24 is mostly empty between Pimlico amd Victoria anyway, so theyre probably going to be on an empty bus already. The only peak I would see is students for Pimlico Academy but even then those students dominate the 360/C10 and 2/36/185 rather than the 24 The Pimlico end can be quite busy (speaking as a resident here). But yes, hardly anyone boards along Victoria Street for Pimlico itself. As long as there is a stop at Victoria station where people do board it'll be fine.
Careful with assuming that the 2/36/185 are an alternative for Pimlico residents. Vauxhall Bridge Road is not a very nice environment and quite far from Churchill Gardens and Lupus Street.
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2024 23:05:46 GMT
I don't believe the 28 should be re-routed - going through Sands End would add extra time to a route that already has it's issues at it is and it's higher frequency is probably unnecessary for that area. I also imagine Worlds End residents may not welcome the 306 alongside the 328 at Worlds End and the 328 doesn't need any modifying to it at that end. If you want to best achieve a Sands End to Wandsworth link, an extension of the 306 is really the best solution with no changes to other routes. I’d argue that the 28 being rerouted via Sands End may speed up journey times particularly when Wandsworth Bridge Road is clogged with traffic (which it often is) as Imperial Road has a bus lane that would enable the 28 to skip most of the traffic if that road has a lot of it as well. The traffic only happens in one direction and parked cars often hold buses up going via the 306 routing - also, don't forget getting through the lights at Sands End by the bridge. I don't see a good enough case to leave Wandsworth Bridge Road with just the 295, another route that already has a lot on it's plate as well. If you really want a Wandsworth link (and I'm dubious how many would want Wandsworth in particular over Fulham Broadway or Earl's Court, both of which already link to Sands End), the 306 could quite easily be extended as I already said - there is just enough space for it and it could handle such an extension. It's certainly more logical IMO then messing around with the 28's routing and really, if the traffic is that bad, maybe that should be the problem that is resolved rather than moving the 28. |
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Post by greg on Jun 1, 2024 2:05:19 GMT
I dont think Ive seen anyone at Victoria Street board a bus to Pimlico to be honest. The residential 24 routing isnt all that with demand, usually the only person on the bus after Victoria Station every time ive ridden it. Anyone for Pimlico would most likely board using the 2/36/185 which also share a common stop. And as for the latter, it would be difficult without that bus station lining up agreement which might cause some congestion at the current 24 bus stop in Victoria outside the Theatre, but the 24 is mostly empty between Pimlico amd Victoria anyway, so theyre probably going to be on an empty bus already. The only peak I would see is students for Pimlico Academy but even then those students dominate the 360/C10 and 2/36/185 rather than the 24 The Pimlico end can be quite busy (speaking as a resident here). But yes, hardly anyone boards along Victoria Street for Pimlico itself. As long as there is a stop at Victoria station where people do board it'll be fine.
Careful with assuming that the 2/36/185 are an alternative for Pimlico residents. Vauxhall Bridge Road is not a very nice environment and quite far from Churchill Gardens and Lupus Street.
Good point! The reality of it all is most people from Pimlico travel further south or north so I had assumed the alternative. I always saw the 360 as particulary busy around the Library and Lupus Street but happy to be corrected. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 1, 2024 6:13:16 GMT
That all makes sense to me, the 11 is just a fairly short route now and rerouting it to Putney Common replacing the 22 should work well, the 19 would be adequate between Kings Road and Green Park and whilst the round the corner link to Fulham Broadway would be lost the 211 could perhaps be rerouted? I would keep the 211 on its current routing to not break links to Chelsea & Westminster Hospital (14 would then be the only route serving outside the hospital when the 414 gets withdrawn). Perhaps though the 306 to Chelsea worlds end to keep the round corner link & 28 rerouted through Sands End could work though. I don’t particularly like that there isn’t a direct link from the Sands End area to Wandsworth I actually think that it could be well utilised. Could possibly even reroute the 19 to Fulham Broadway although it would make the route a bit longer, TfL were intent on reducing services on Battersea Bridge Road. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 1, 2024 8:48:14 GMT
Sending the 8 back to Victoria could work, I’d imagine it wouldn’t be any harder to manage that route than the current 26. You would need to remove LT’s from the 8 but the 8 could easily swap vehicles with the 205. I imagine if the 22 isn’t needed to run to Oxford Circus anymore, you could probably merge it with the 11 into a Putney Common-Waterloo route, which on the whole would make more savings for TfL. That all makes sense to me, the 11 is just a fairly short route now and rerouting it to Putney Common replacing the 22 should work well, the 19 would be adequate between Kings Road and Green Park and whilst the round the corner link to Fulham Broadway would be lost the 211 could perhaps be rerouted? There are usually single digit loadings on the 11 between Fulham Broadway and the New King’s Road/Harwood Road junction so the round the corner link would not be a great loss. You can often walk faster than the bus down traffic choked Harwood Road. Local residents hate the 11 standing in Vanston Place and the first/final stops for the 11 at Fulham Broadway are not conveniently located for the shops in North End Road. The 211 routing serving Chelsea & Westminster Hospital on Fulham Road and avoiding Harwood Road traffic is much more popular and I wouldn’t reroute that. I would extend the 137 back to Oxford Circus as there should be a Sloane Square to Oxford Street direct link and a terminus at Marble Arch for routes from the south is useless, as has often been mentioned in discussions about the 414. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 1, 2024 9:23:23 GMT
That all makes sense to me, the 11 is just a fairly short route now and rerouting it to Putney Common replacing the 22 should work well, the 19 would be adequate between Kings Road and Green Park and whilst the round the corner link to Fulham Broadway would be lost the 211 could perhaps be rerouted? There are usually single digit loadings on the 11 between Fulham Broadway and the New King’s Road/Harwood Road junction so the round the corner link would not be a great loss. You can often walk faster than the bus down traffic choked Harwood Road. Local residents hate the 11 standing in Vanston Place and the first/final stops for the 11 at Fulham Broadway are not conveniently located for the shops in North End Road. The 211 routing serving Chelsea & Westminster Hospital on Fulham Road and avoiding Harwood Road traffic is much more popular and I wouldn’t reroute that. I would extend the 137 back to Oxford Circus as there should be a Sloane Square to Oxford Street direct link and a terminus at Marble Arch for routes from the south is useless, as has often been mentioned in discussions about the 414. I'd go as far to say could you just leave the end of the Kings Road to the 22 maybe every 7-8 mins and just have the 11 as the Waterloo/Victoria to King's Road/Fulham Broadway Route. For good measure you could renumber it 11. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 1, 2024 9:24:43 GMT
I would keep the 211 on its current routing to not break links to Chelsea & Westminster Hospital (14 would then be the only route serving outside the hospital when the 414 gets withdrawn). Perhaps though the 306 to Chelsea worlds end to keep the round corner link & 28 rerouted through Sands End could work though. I don’t particularly like that there isn’t a direct link from the Sands End area to Wandsworth I actually think that it could be well utilised. Could possibly even reroute the 19 to Fulham Broadway although it would make the route a bit longer, TfL were intent on reducing services on Battersea Bridge Road. Finsbury Park to Putney Common would make the 19 too long to operate reliably. I agree that a direct link from Sands End to Wandsworth town centre link is required. There is a lot of new housing still to be built in Sands End and Wandsworth has a good offer of shops and is not far as the crow flies. Unlike the quick journey on the Overground from Imperial Wharf to Clapham Junction, getting to Wandsworth is not an easy journey to do by train due to the location of Wandsworth Town station relative to the town centre. The 306 should be extended to Wandsworth direct along Townmead Road avoiding William Morris Way. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 1, 2024 10:43:50 GMT
I would keep the 211 on its current routing to not break links to Chelsea & Westminster Hospital (14 would then be the only route serving outside the hospital when the 414 gets withdrawn). Perhaps though the 306 to Chelsea worlds end to keep the round corner link & 28 rerouted through Sands End could work though. I don’t particularly like that there isn’t a direct link from the Sands End area to Wandsworth I actually think that it could be well utilised. Could possibly even reroute the 19 to Fulham Broadway although it would make the route a bit longer, TfL were intent on reducing services on Battersea Bridge Road. With both this, and the comments about the 11's link on Harwoods Road, my suggestion would be to cut the 49 back from Clapham Junction (345 & Overground cover links). And instead reroute the 49 at Kings Road to Battersea Power Station, in place of the 211. Then keep the 211 unchanged (as Hammersmith to Waterloo, via Fulham Road), but maybe renumbered to 11. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 1, 2024 18:40:30 GMT
The Pimlico end can be quite busy (speaking as a resident here). But yes, hardly anyone boards along Victoria Street for Pimlico itself. As long as there is a stop at Victoria station where people do board it'll be fine.
Careful with assuming that the 2/36/185 are an alternative for Pimlico residents. Vauxhall Bridge Road is not a very nice environment and quite far from Churchill Gardens and Lupus Street.
Good point! The reality of it all is most people from Pimlico travel further south or north so I had assumed the alternative. I always saw the 360 as particulary busy around the Library and Lupus Street but happy to be corrected. The 2, 36 and 185 (well not really for the latter) all go up Park Lane so actually rerouting the 24 via Piccadilly has the disadvantage of duplicating that, in addition to the Victoria Line. Even if it makes journeys for north of Trafalgar Square faster. There's no real 100% win-win outcome here sadly.
Yes the 360 and C10 get quite busy. That's why I hope the 360s new buses aren't shorter than the current 12m!
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Post by greenboy on Jun 1, 2024 19:14:33 GMT
That all makes sense to me, the 11 is just a fairly short route now and rerouting it to Putney Common replacing the 22 should work well, the 19 would be adequate between Kings Road and Green Park and whilst the round the corner link to Fulham Broadway would be lost the 211 could perhaps be rerouted? There are usually single digit loadings on the 11 between Fulham Broadway and the New King’s Road/Harwood Road junction so the round the corner link would not be a great loss. You can often walk faster than the bus down traffic choked Harwood Road. Local residents hate the 11 standing in Vanston Place and the first/final stops for the 11 at Fulham Broadway are not conveniently located for the shops in North End Road. The 211 routing serving Chelsea & Westminster Hospital on Fulham Road and avoiding Harwood Road traffic is much more popular and I wouldn’t reroute that. I would extend the 137 back to Oxford Circus as there should be a Sloane Square to Oxford Street direct link and a terminus at Marble Arch for routes from the south is useless, as has often been mentioned in discussions about the 414. I agree that the 137 should be returned to Oxford Circus, from what I see of the 11 it's pretty quiet throughout although it should pick up a bit more custom when the 211 is rerouted to Battersea Power Station. |
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Post by fortheloveofbuses on Jun 3, 2024 13:47:14 GMT
It seems TFL have gotten rid of all the posters they sent out a week ago regarding this consultation. At least that’s from what I’m noticing.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 3, 2024 13:59:59 GMT
It seems TFL have gotten rid of all the posters they sent out a week ago regarding this consultation. At least that’s from what I’m noticing. I don’t think there was ever clarification on how many were placed and where. |
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Post by fortheloveofbuses on Jun 3, 2024 14:09:36 GMT
It seems TFL have gotten rid of all the posters they sent out a week ago regarding this consultation. At least that’s from what I’m noticing. I don’t think there was ever clarification on how many were placed and where. They were at relevant bus stops, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. |
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