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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jun 3, 2024 17:45:25 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is:
14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route
74-Roehampton-Baker Street route
190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430)
N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 18:16:11 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane I think it will be little more then a small boost to the 14. |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 3, 2024 18:24:51 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane I agree with all you've said, out of interest does anybody know why the N74 goes via Roehampton Lane rather than via Dover House Road? |
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Post by bk10mfe on Jun 3, 2024 19:12:17 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane I agree with all you've said, out of interest does anybody know why the N74 goes via Roehampton Lane rather than via Dover House Road? Good question as I’ve wondered the same thing. Maybe to give the Roehampton University a link into central London (I can imagine there being little to no demand for a night service on Dover House Road). The N72 does partially cover the N74 though as far as Lillie Road so I do wonder whether or not the N74 is needed on Roehampton Lane either. Personally if tfl needed to revisit the 74/430 again I would make the 74 run between Roehampton & Marble Arch with the 430/N74 withdrawn & the 190 extended to South Kensington. To be more specific I would have the 74 finish/start at Portman Square which if I remember was suggested for the 45 previously? This would enable the 74 to still serve the well used stops out of Selfridges. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 3, 2024 20:25:22 GMT
I agree with all you've said, out of interest does anybody know why the N74 goes via Roehampton Lane rather than via Dover House Road? Good question as I’ve wondered the same thing. Maybe to give the Roehampton University a link into central London (I can imagine there being little to no demand for a night service on Dover House Road). The N72 does partially cover the N74 though as far as Lillie Road so I do wonder whether or not the N74 is needed on Roehampton Lane either. Personally if tfl needed to revisit the 74/430 again I would make the 74 run between Roehampton & Marble Arch with the 430/N74 withdrawn & the 190 extended to South Kensington. To be more specific I would have the 74 finish/start at Portman Square which if I remember was suggested for the 45 previously? This would enable the 74 to still serve the well used stops out of Selfridges. Roehampton Lane serves the university and the hospital, so that routing was thought to have more potential demand at night than via the ex LCC cottage estate on Dover House Road. The N14 which was replaced by route N74 in the Roehampton area had a variety of routeings in Roehampton over the years, but served Roehampton Lane for most of its time, Dover House Road had a night service between 1984 and 1985. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 3, 2024 20:55:17 GMT
Good question as I’ve wondered the same thing. Maybe to give the Roehampton University a link into central London (I can imagine there being little to no demand for a night service on Dover House Road). The N72 does partially cover the N74 though as far as Lillie Road so I do wonder whether or not the N74 is needed on Roehampton Lane either. Personally if tfl needed to revisit the 74/430 again I would make the 74 run between Roehampton & Marble Arch with the 430/N74 withdrawn & the 190 extended to South Kensington. To be more specific I would have the 74 finish/start at Portman Square which if I remember was suggested for the 45 previously? This would enable the 74 to still serve the well used stops out of Selfridges. Roehampton Lane serves the university and the hospital, so that routing was thought to have more potential demand at night than via the ex LCC cottage estate on Dover House Road. The N14 which was replaced by route N74 in the Roehampton area had a variety of routeings in Roehampton over the years, but served Roehampton Lane for most of its time, Dover House Road had a night service between 1984 and 1985. The hospital isn’t much of a night draw, it has no A&E and is pretty much closed at night beyond the movement of mental health patients. |
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Post by redbus on Jun 3, 2024 21:00:46 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane I think it will be little more then a small boost to the 14. I suspect you are right, a small increase in frequency to the 14, say 2 bph will hardly make up for the loss of the 414. If there were a large increase in frequency to the 14, there would be little point in doing the change. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 3, 2024 21:01:12 GMT
Roehampton Lane serves the university and the hospital, so that routing was thought to have more potential demand at night than via the ex LCC cottage estate on Dover House Road. The N14 which was replaced by route N74 in the Roehampton area had a variety of routeings in Roehampton over the years, but served Roehampton Lane for most of its time, Dover House Road had a night service between 1984 and 1985. The hospital isn’t much of a night draw, it has no A&E and is pretty much closed at night beyond the movement of mental health patients. Today that is the case, but in the past when the N14 ran along Roehampton Lane the hospital did have an A&E. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2024 21:06:44 GMT
I think it will be little more then a small boost to the 14. I suspect you are right, a small increase in frequency to the 14, say 2 bph will hardly make up for the loss of the 414. If there were a large increase in frequency to the 14, there would be little point in doing the change. There was no mention of an increase to the 414 in the past consultation which suggested that 8 mins was considered sufficient. It has to be remember that that the 211 covers from FB to Sydney Street and the 345 from S Ken to Beaufort Street so its better served then might immediately be thought along there. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 3, 2024 21:15:16 GMT
The hospital isn’t much of a night draw, it has no A&E and is pretty much closed at night beyond the movement of mental health patients. Today that is the case, but in the past when the N14 ran along Roehampton Lane the hospital did have an A&E. It hasn’t had an A&E since August 1997 and doesn’t even have a minor injuries unit at the moment. It’s 100% for the university. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 3, 2024 22:22:22 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane Regardless of whether the 414 should stay or not, can we please stop using words like useless which makes no sense when describing a bus route. The 74 was cut back from Roehampton for good reason and traffic hasn’t improved along its routing so I think the 74 should remain as it is regardless. |
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jun 4, 2024 16:00:47 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane Regardless of whether the 414 should stay or not, can we please stop using words like useless which makes no sense when describing a bus route. The 74 was cut back from Roehampton for good reason and traffic hasn’t improved along its routing so I think the 74 should remain as it is regardless. Apologies, I'll rephrase that: 'The 414 parallels the 14 for pretty much its entire route length' Perhaps for my proposal,the 14 and 74 could swap allocations,so 74 uses EH and 14 uses WHV?The allocations would look like this: 14:WHV115-130,132-142,158-162 74:EH90-112 I'm assuming the PVR for the 14 would be 28,and WHVs total to around 32,so some could transfer elsewhere The PVR dor 74 would probably be around 22,and there are 23 EHs,so another EH would need to move into AF The N74 can remain on Roehampton Lane,Dover House Road doesn't really need a night service but if it is extended to Camden Town,then I would increase the PVR from 6 to 9/10 and boost to every 20 mins |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 4, 2024 16:09:01 GMT
I know I'm a bit late for this,but I've just read through the known details of the consultation.I agree with the proposal,the 414 is a bit useless now it doesn't go to Maida Hill anymore.Lots of people are saying the 14 should be cut to Piccadilly Circus,anf it does make sense to do so.I would do the same with the 74/430 too,so my proposal is: 14-Piccadilly Circus-Putney Heath route 74-Roehampton-Baker Street route 190-Richmond-South Kensington route (replacing the Old Brompton Road section of 430) N74-Extended to Camden Town via Euston and Rerouted via Dover House Road instead of Roehampton Lane Regardless of whether the 414 should stay or not, can we please stop using words like useless which makes no sense when describing a bus route. The 74 was cut back from Roehampton for good reason and traffic hasn’t improved along its routing so I think the 74 should remain as it is regardless. The 74 will very much come into its own again if the 414 goes as the S Kensington to Marble Arch link. It's more the overlap with the 430 where the spare capacity is now. The 430 could become a Roehampton to Putney feeder route and use the stand space at Putney Bridge but there may be cross Putney demand though. |
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Post by londonbuses on Jun 4, 2024 16:15:05 GMT
Regardless of whether the 414 should stay or not, can we please stop using words like useless which makes no sense when describing a bus route. The 74 was cut back from Roehampton for good reason and traffic hasn’t improved along its routing so I think the 74 should remain as it is regardless. The 74 will very much come into its own again if the 414 goes as the S Kensington to Marble Arch link. It's more the overlap with the 430 where the spare capacity is now. The 430 could become a Roehampton to Putney feeder route and use the stand space at Putney Bridge but there may be cross Putney demand though. Divert it to Hammersmith, providing some relief to the 220, linking Hammersmith to Putney High Street and restoring the Hammersmith to Roehampton connection while Hammersmith Bridge is closed. |
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jun 4, 2024 16:21:45 GMT
The 74 will very much come into its own again if the 414 goes as the S Kensington to Marble Arch link. It's more the overlap with the 430 where the spare capacity is now. The 430 could become a Roehampton to Putney feeder route and use the stand space at Putney Bridge but there may be cross Putney demand though. Divert it to Hammersmith, providing some relief to the 220, linking Hammersmith to Putney High Street and restoring the Hammersmith to Roehampton connection while Hammersmith Bridge is closed. Or you could merge the 72 and 533 which still retains your idea of restoring a Hammersmith-Roehampton connection.If the connection is not needed,I'd extended the 378 to Hammersmith or even Shepherds Bush Green |
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