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Post by mkay315 on Jun 18, 2024 8:22:19 GMT
I personally wouldn’t put a new route on Putney High Street, there are so many times when it’s almost impassable. If you were going to route it that way I’d only send it as far as Putney Heath or at a push Wandsworth via East Putney. The better option would be to extend it west from Heathrow Central to Heathrow T5 as the TfL surface links there are woefully inadequate. Putney Heath will have no stand space especially if the 14’s frequency increase goes ahead. Logically speaking though it would make sense for the SL7’s allocation to move to AF as it wouldn’t be running near Croydon anymore, so it could stand in the bus garage, enabling it to skip out on most of Putney High St. The Heathrow Central-T5 link could easily be covered by having the 423 perform a double run to serve Heathrow Central. Question is does AF have space to even take that route on? If that was to happen then another route would have to move out
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2024 8:34:31 GMT
I personally wouldn’t put a new route on Putney High Street, there are so many times when it’s almost impassable. If you were going to route it that way I’d only send it as far as Putney Heath or at a push Wandsworth via East Putney. The better option would be to extend it west from Heathrow Central to Heathrow T5 as the TfL surface links there are woefully inadequate. Putney Heath will have no stand space especially if the 14’s frequency increase goes ahead. Logically speaking though it would make sense for the SL7’s allocation to move to AF as it wouldn’t be running near Croydon anymore, so it could stand in the bus garage, enabling it to skip out on most of Putney High St. The Heathrow Central-T5 link could easily be covered by having the 423 perform a double run to serve Heathrow Central. Route SL7 goes nowhere near Putney so why would it go to AF, possibly the most ridiculous suggestion when it goes via Sutton which has no space either when Garth Road does eventually open then the operator can potentially do some moving.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jun 18, 2024 9:05:38 GMT
Putney Heath will have no stand space especially if the 14’s frequency increase goes ahead. Logically speaking though it would make sense for the SL7’s allocation to move to AF as it wouldn’t be running near Croydon anymore, so it could stand in the bus garage, enabling it to skip out on most of Putney High St. The Heathrow Central-T5 link could easily be covered by having the 423 perform a double run to serve Heathrow Central. Route SL7 goes nowhere near Putney so why would it go to AF, possibly the most ridiculous suggestion when it goes via Sutton which has no space either when Garth Road does eventually open then the operator can potentially do some moving. Coming from the same person who suggested to extend the SL9 to Kingston... tangytango.proboards.com/post/818774/thread
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
Route SL7 goes nowhere near Putney so why would it go to AF, possibly the most ridiculous suggestion when it goes via Sutton which has no space either when Garth Road does eventually open then the operator can potentially do some moving. Coming from the same person who suggested to extend the SL9 to Kingston... tangytango.proboards.com/post/818774/threadMaybe I missed something but I didn’t read the backlog of posts. I thought the poster was suggesting to move the SL7 to AF running from Sutton to Croydon which you can also clearly see from my response that you didn’t read properly but decided to make assumptions. Overall in relation to the SL9 it was just a suggestion which was actually quite logical… I’ve read the previous posts in relation to this now so I get where the Putney idea has come from.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 18, 2024 9:49:37 GMT
Maybe I missed something but I didn’t read the backlog of posts. I thought the poster was suggesting to move the SL7 to AF running from Sutton to Croydon which you can also clearly see from my response that you didn’t read properly but decided to make assumptions. Overall in relation to the SL9 it was just a suggestion which was actually quite logical… I’ve read the previous posts in relation to this now so I get where the Putney idea has come from. I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon?
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Jun 18, 2024 9:55:27 GMT
Maybe I missed something but I didn’t read the backlog of posts. I thought the poster was suggesting to move the SL7 to AF running from Sutton to Croydon which you can also clearly see from my response that you didn’t read properly but decided to make assumptions. Overall in relation to the SL9 it was just a suggestion which was actually quite logical… I’ve read the previous posts in relation to this now so I get where the Putney idea has come from. I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon? SL9 to Kingston would be a ridiculous idea - making an already well used service overcrowded and unreliable is not the way to go. The most I'd do with the SL9 is perhaps extend it to Harrow Weald.
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Post by PutneysFinest on Jun 18, 2024 9:57:30 GMT
Maybe I missed something but I didn’t read the backlog of posts. I thought the poster was suggesting to move the SL7 to AF running from Sutton to Croydon which you can also clearly see from my response that you didn’t read properly but decided to make assumptions. Overall in relation to the SL9 it was just a suggestion which was actually quite logical… I’ve read the previous posts in relation to this now so I get where the Putney idea has come from. I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon? I'm not too sure adding another 12 miles and 50 minutes onto a route can be classed as a reasonable suggestion when it will only benefit the route that it is replacing.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 18, 2024 10:02:30 GMT
I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon? SL9 to Kingston would be a ridiculous idea - making an already well used service overcrowded and unreliable is not the way to go. The most I'd do with the SL9 is perhaps extend it to Harrow Weald. I agree, a separate route between Kingston and Heathrow would be far better as it would allow more stops to be added and perhaps detours to serve more communities.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 18, 2024 10:12:57 GMT
I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon? SL9 to Kingston would be a ridiculous idea - making an already well used service overcrowded and unreliable is not the way to go. The most I'd do with the SL9 is perhaps extend it to Harrow Weald. What's ridiculous about it? As for making it overcrowded surely the whole idea is to attract more users?
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2024 10:19:30 GMT
I think the SL9 to Kingston is a reasonable suggestion, as for the SL7 maybe it could operate from Sutton with the 154 moving to Croydon? I'm not too sure adding another 12 miles and 50 minutes onto a route can be classed as a reasonable suggestion when it will only benefit the route that it is replacing. I get your point overall however it’s perfectly acceptable to curtail the SL7 to Sutton as removing a well established link. I would say though SL9 idea is probably better than some of a usual trash in the fantasy threads. However I do remember in Geoff Marshall’s Video he suggested Croydon to Kingston & Kingston to Heathrow Central to become two separate routes.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 18, 2024 10:23:44 GMT
SL9 to Kingston would be a ridiculous idea - making an already well used service overcrowded and unreliable is not the way to go. The most I'd do with the SL9 is perhaps extend it to Harrow Weald. What's ridiculous about it? As for making it overcrowded surely the whole idea is to attract more users? The SL9 is well used on its own merit, it doesn’t make sense to me to muddle that usage.
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Post by lj61nwc on Jun 18, 2024 10:53:30 GMT
Presumably best option is extend SL5 to Kingston and then SL7 extend from Kingston to somewhere like Chessington or Roehampton to tap in the potential customers from these areas
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 18, 2024 11:03:48 GMT
Presumably best option is extend SL5 to Kingston and then SL7 extend from Kingston to somewhere like Chessington or Roehampton to tap in the potential customers from these areas I disagree, the best option is to just have a new Heathrow to Kingston route and leave the SL7 as Kingston to Croydon. The new route could still be extended to Roehampton or Richmond or Wimbledon to fulfil additional scope.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 18, 2024 11:04:54 GMT
I'm not too sure adding another 12 miles and 50 minutes onto a route can be classed as a reasonable suggestion when it will only benefit the route that it is replacing. I get your point overall however it’s perfectly acceptable to curtail the SL7 to Sutton as removing a well established link. I would say though SL9 idea is probably better than some of a usual trash in the fantasy threads. However I do remember in Geoff Marshall’s Video he suggested Croydon to Kingston & Kingston to Heathrow Central to become two separate routes. I don't think it's unreasonably to break the longer distance links on the SL7, particularly with easy interchange available at Sutton to the SL5. From Kingston to Croydon for example, it is far quicker not to use the bus at all anyway, instead taking the train via Clapham Junction. I think some of the more local links across Sutton should be kept though, by making some changes to all-stops routes. If the 407/443 split were to go ahead, the revised 407 could then extend from Sutton to Worcester Park, replacing part of the 151. Then maybe extend something like the 413 from Sutton to Wallington (via Hackbridge)?
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 18, 2024 11:34:36 GMT
I get your point overall however it’s perfectly acceptable to curtail the SL7 to Sutton as removing a well established link. I would say though SL9 idea is probably better than some of a usual trash in the fantasy threads. However I do remember in Geoff Marshall’s Video he suggested Croydon to Kingston & Kingston to Heathrow Central to become two separate routes. I don't think it's unreasonably to break the longer distance links on the SL7, particularly with easy interchange available at Sutton to the SL5. From Kingston to Croydon for example, it is far quicker not to use the bus at all anyway, instead taking the train via Clapham Junction. I think some of the more local links across Sutton should be kept though, by making some changes to all-stops routes. If the 407/443 split were to go ahead, the revised 407 could then extend from Sutton to Worcester Park, replacing part of the 151. Then maybe extend something like the 413 from Sutton to Wallington (via Hackbridge)? You could equally argue it is far quicker to get the train from Croydon to Sutton, so the extension of the SL5 is not required. To be honest, the current SL5 is useless to me personally, and the extended one will not offer much. When I use the SL7 it is mainly from Croydon to either Kingston or Worcester Park ... neither of which I will be doing if these changes occur. Probably drive, might catch train, as the bus will now require 3 buses, getting to Croydon, Croydon - Sutton, the onward travel ... Not attractive and probably outside hopper fare, so no longer finciially attractive compared to other options.
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