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Post by lj61nwc on Jun 20, 2024 10:41:33 GMT
TfL better throw some cash to get Bromley council to cut the trees back as a single decker won’t be suitable for the Croydon to Sutton stretch. Even every 12 mins thou? If it took 12m buses it might just cope and may even send some people back to the 407 which does have capacity to take them still. Defeats the whole purpose of the "express" routes...
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 20, 2024 17:04:36 GMT
Nobody’s mentioned that the reason the SL5 is restricted to single deckers is due to the low hanging trees on Eden Park Road. Decking it would involve either convincing Bromley Council to cut the trees back, or rerouting it, which would have too much impact on the 119 and wreck reliability. TfL better throw some cash to get Bromley council to cut the trees back as a single decker won’t be suitable for the Croydon to Sutton stretch. I doubt money is the main issue at play here…
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 20, 2024 17:06:43 GMT
TfL better throw some cash to get Bromley council to cut the trees back as a single decker won’t be suitable for the Croydon to Sutton stretch. I doubt money is the main issue at play here… Of course it’s a huge factor, councils don’t often cut down trees anymore unless they present a clear danger to the highway or pedestrians routes. If TfL wants a double decker route on the road they’ll likely have to pay the council to cut the trees back.
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Post by PGAT on Jun 20, 2024 17:19:18 GMT
What about NIMBYism? Not just cutting of the trees but also fears of privacy being breached when someone looks through their window from the top of a double decker.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 20, 2024 17:38:53 GMT
I doubt money is the main issue at play here… Of course it’s a huge factor, councils don’t often cut down trees anymore unless they present a clear danger to the highway or pedestrians routes. If TfL wants a double decker route on the road they’ll likely have to pay the council to cut the trees back. NIMBYism?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 20, 2024 17:43:47 GMT
Of course it’s a huge factor, councils don’t often cut down trees anymore unless they present a clear danger to the highway or pedestrians routes. If TfL wants a double decker route on the road they’ll likely have to pay the council to cut the trees back. NIMBYism? Nothing to do with nimbyism, it has been made fairly clear that the trees were the issue when the SL5 launched.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 20, 2024 18:07:03 GMT
What about NIMBYism? Not just cutting of the trees but also fears of privacy being breached when someone looks through their window from the top of a double decker. If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap.
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Post by PGAT on Jun 20, 2024 18:16:28 GMT
What about NIMBYism? Not just cutting of the trees but also fears of privacy being breached when someone looks through their window from the top of a double decker. If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. Of course, but it has stopped routes like the 316 or 433 getting decked
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Post by secretbu5dude on Jun 20, 2024 18:19:43 GMT
What about NIMBYism? Not just cutting of the trees but also fears of privacy being breached when someone looks through their window from the top of a double decker. If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. Not only that, I can't imagine someone really trying to "look into" somebody's house 😆 especially with how fast a bus is likely to be going 😏
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 20, 2024 18:24:10 GMT
If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. Of course, but it has stopped routes like the 316 or 433 getting decked Neither of which would likely be bursting at the seams. The extended SL5 is likely to attract huge demand coming from the SL7, it will absolutely need deckers to make it viable.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 20, 2024 18:25:35 GMT
If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. Not only that, I can't imagine someone really trying to "look into" somebody's house 😆 especially with how fast a bus is likely to be going 😏 That's not the issue at all, there are trees right next to the road and short of obliterating them completely, which is never going to happen, then the risk remains, a bit like Knee Hill.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 22, 2024 0:26:27 GMT
Nothing to do with nimbyism, it has been made fairly clear that the trees were the issue when the SL5 launched. And you think that residents would be okay with the trees getting a trim?
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 22, 2024 0:33:10 GMT
What about NIMBYism? Not just cutting of the trees but also fears of privacy being breached when someone looks through their window from the top of a double decker. If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. From a purely political perspective regardless of the merits of x, y or z solution which you detailed, you can quickly see why this is an issue.
A bus passenger might not make the link between a councillor opposing the chopping of trees and why their bus is so full and journey so uncomfortable (chances are they don't even get to vote for said councillor or even anyone in the council in question).
Meanwhile, the local resident will absolutely know who voted against 'saving the trees' (or other somesuch) if they care about it and is probably more likely to take the issue to the ballot box than the bus passenger.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 22, 2024 6:29:00 GMT
If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. From a purely political perspective regardless of the merits of x, y or z solution which you detailed, you can quickly see why this is an issue.
A bus passenger might not make the link between a councillor opposing the chopping of trees and why their bus is so full and journey so uncomfortable (chances are they don't even get to vote for said councillor or even anyone in the council in question).
Meanwhile, the local resident will absolutely know who voted against 'saving the trees' (or other somesuch) if they care about it and is probably more likely to take the issue to the ballot box than the bus passenger.
So you’re just highlighting the exact problem that exists in this country, a few militant residents holding thousands of others to ransom for an issue that is completely moronic. Frankly they should be ignored for the greater good.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 22, 2024 7:01:03 GMT
If you don’t want to be looked at don’t buy a house on a main road with a bus route, or perhaps buy some curtains or get some of that reflective film. I have it on my windows, it’s hardly rocket science and relatively cheap. From a purely political perspective regardless of the merits of x, y or z solution which you detailed, you can quickly see why this is an issue.
A bus passenger might not make the link between a councillor opposing the chopping of trees and why their bus is so full and journey so uncomfortable (chances are they don't even get to vote for said councillor or even anyone in the council in question).
Meanwhile, the local resident will absolutely know who voted against 'saving the trees' (or other somesuch) if they care about it and is probably more likely to take the issue to the ballot box than the bus passenger.
If this about the SL5 again, the trees are next to the road and the only way to remove the risk is to remove the trees completely and clearly that's not going to happen. Trimming trees is only a short term solution anyway, obviously they grow back and there's the risk of high winds damaging trees and a stray branch coming through a top deck window could kill someone. I'm sure single deckers on the SL5 to Sutton will be fine anyway, presumably the service will be increased from four to five buses an hour? Usage is likely to decline anyway as the direct service from Croydon to Kingston and Heathrow will no longer be available.
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