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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 13:06:15 GMT
Like many of us I was fearing the worst last night. But alas it's over, period! The far right scumbags have lost, the people last night spoke clearly and unambiguously and it wasn't them. The boats didn't get stopped it was the far right cretins instead - okay if the former is your thing, we speak at the ballot box, not with bricks and baseball bats. A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 8, 2024 13:52:20 GMT
Like many of us I was fearing the worst last night. But alas it's over, period! The far right scumbags have lost, the people last night spoke clearly and unambiguously and it wasn't them. The boats didn't get stopped it was the far right cretins instead - okay if the former is your thing, we speak at the ballot box, not with bricks and baseball bats. A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. Definitely and it will be for this government to address it. I fear that Labour might have permanently lost the red wall to Reform even though they were quite successful in reclaiming them! |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 13:54:21 GMT
Like many of us I was fearing the worst last night. But alas it's over, period! The far right scumbags have lost, the people last night spoke clearly and unambiguously and it wasn't them. The boats didn't get stopped it was the far right cretins instead - okay if the former is your thing, we speak at the ballot box, not with bricks and baseball bats. A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. No one has actually said that "only a few far right thugs" have concerns around immigration. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 8, 2024 13:56:18 GMT
In Croydon today it is classed as antisocial behaviour and not rioting ... Is that because it was not white people doing it. Starmer and Cooper are rapidly losing this country ... they are making the political divide deeper than ever ... what a great recruitment tool for the right are those two! Driving many people to Reform. How are two people who have barely been in power for long dividing the country exactly? They've made adequate reforms and very quick reforms to the justice system and we've seen punishments handed out within hours as a result. This is just like America in 2021 where the right wingers couldn't accept they lost the election so went on a rampage. Not to mention how easy it is for many of those far-gone right wingers (note I didn't say far, rather far-gone) to buy into these conspiracy theories, whether it be the what triggered the Capitol riots or the identity of the Southport killer. Twitter isn't exactly a representative sample of the wider population, I understand, but some of the stuff pedalled during these riots is absolute insanity and I fear that an even further right party than Reform will grab these people. Farage found himself dissociating himself from UKIP once BNP and EDL types invaded the party hence why he created the Brexit Party that eventually went on to become Reform UK. Watching him throw Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate under the bus has been interesting to say the least and I reckon that the more ideological far right types who voted for Farage won't be voting for him at the next election.
Good news regardless that these riots are slowly coming to an end but I do think that Starmer will have to do a lot to get the public back onboard with Labour (coming from someone who supported them entering the General Election). They've got an incredible majority, obviously the failings of the FPTP system were very much highlighted when the results were announced and so they aren't nearly as popular as they'd like to think, but given many of their seats had strong Reform/Independent votes, I reckon they'll need to do quite a lot to appease people in these seats so as to not lose them at the next election.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 14:00:54 GMT
A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. No one has actually said that "only a few far right thugs" have concerns around immigration. Forgive me but I think that is what the message has become due to a tiny majority really. I think the ultra left wing invluding a Labour councilor saying at a demo they would like all the right wing throats cut and the crowd cheering says a much for the opposition aswell to this. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 8, 2024 14:01:29 GMT
A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. No one has actually said that "only a few far right thugs" have concerns around immigration. Well precisely, one of the reasons for voting Leave (not that I would have voted that way) was to do with concerns surrounding immigration and that was how 17-18 million people voted. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2024 14:05:47 GMT
No one has actually said that "only a few far right thugs" have concerns around immigration. Forgive me but I think that is what the message has become due to a tiny majority really. I think the ultra left wing placards of refugees welcome and a Labour councilor saying a demo they would like all the right wing throats cut and the crowd cheering says a much for the opposition aswell to this. Maybe some think like that but it's certainly possible to have concerns around immigration without smashing the place up even if I don't fully share those same concerns on the issue - that's why I specifically called out the thugs in my original post only. I don't listen to the far left (hence why I'm very critical of Corbyn) the same way I don't listen to the far right and any councillor of any persuasion who uses language like that should be suspended as Labour have already done with another member today. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2024 14:14:54 GMT
How are two people who have barely been in power for long dividing the country exactly? They've made adequate reforms and very quick reforms to the justice system and we've seen punishments handed out within hours as a result. This is just like America in 2021 where the right wingers couldn't accept they lost the election so went on a rampage. Not to mention how easy it is for many of those far-gone right wingers (note I didn't say far, rather far-gone) to buy into these conspiracy theories, whether it be the what triggered the Capitol riots or the identity of the Southport killer. Twitter isn't exactly a representative sample of the wider population, I understand, but some of the stuff pedalled during these riots is absolute insanity and I fear that an even further right party than Reform will grab these people. Farage found himself dissociating himself from UKIP once BNP and EDL types invaded the party hence why he created the Brexit Party that eventually went on to become Reform UK. Watching him throw Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate under the bus has been interesting to say the least and I reckon that the more ideological far right types who voted for Farage won't be voting for him at the next election.
Good news regardless that these riots are slowly coming to an end but I do think that Starmer will have to do a lot to get the public back onboard with Labour (coming from someone who supported them entering the General Election). They've got an incredible majority, obviously the failings of the FPTP system were very much highlighted when the results were announced and so they aren't nearly as popular as they'd like to think, but given many of their seats had strong Reform/Independent votes, I reckon they'll need to do quite a lot to appease people in these seats so as to not lose them at the next election.
I think we have to remember we are still 5 years and 1 week away from the next general election, latest date. It certainly didn’t help Starmer labelling those genuine protesters as far right. Call a spade a spade, yeah, call out the rioters but most of them weren’t. He should have been calling for peace whilst acknowledging that some people were concerned and angry. Even Sadiq Khan suggesting that the left wingers are all football hooligans who should be banned from games just sends the wrong message. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 14:17:03 GMT
Forgive me but I think that is what the message has become due to a tiny majority really. I think the ultra left wing placards of refugees welcome and a Labour councilor saying a demo they would like all the right wing throats cut and the crowd cheering says a much for the opposition aswell to this. Maybe some think like that but it's certainly possible to have concerns around immigration without smashing the place up even if I don't fully share those same concerns on the issue - that's why I specifically called out the thugs in my original post only. I don't listen to the far left (hence why I'm very critical of Corbyn) the same way I don't listen to the far right and any councillor of any persuasion who uses language like that should be suspended as Labour have already done with another member today. Unfortunately as is often in life its the 2 extreme sides that are heard the most and the rest of us who live somewhat in the middle remain ignored. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 14:28:50 GMT
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Post by buspete on Aug 8, 2024 14:38:44 GMT
Like many of us I was fearing the worst last night. But alas it's over, period! The far right scumbags have lost, the people last night spoke clearly and unambiguously and it wasn't them. The boats didn't get stopped it was the far right cretins instead - okay if the former is your thing, we speak at the ballot box, not with bricks and baseball bats. A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. Forgive me but I think that is what the message has become due to a tiny majority really. I think the ultra left wing placards of refugees welcome and a Labour councilor saying a demo they would like all the right wing throats cut and the crowd cheering says a much for the opposition aswell to this. Maybe some think like that but it's certainly possible to have concerns around immigration without smashing the place up even if I don't fully share those same concerns on the issue - that's why I specifically called out the thugs in my original post only. I don't listen to the far left (hence why I'm very critical of Corbyn) the same way I don't listen to the far right and any councillor of any persuasion who uses language like that should be suspended as Labour have already done with another member today. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be far far right or far far left that your ideology actually meets. Not to mention how easy it is for many of those far-gone right wingers (note I didn't say far, rather far-gone) to buy into these conspiracy theories, whether it be the what triggered the Capitol riots or the identity of the Southport killer. Twitter isn't exactly a representative sample of the wider population, I understand, but some of the stuff pedalled during these riots is absolute insanity and I fear that an even further right party than Reform will grab these people. Farage found himself dissociating himself from UKIP once BNP and EDL types invaded the party hence why he created the Brexit Party that eventually went on to become Reform UK. Watching him throw Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate under the bus has been interesting to say the least and I reckon that the more ideological far right types who voted for Farage won't be voting for him at the next election.
Good news regardless that these riots are slowly coming to an end but I do think that Starmer will have to do a lot to get the public back onboard with Labour (coming from someone who supported them entering the General Election). They've got an incredible majority, obviously the failings of the FPTP system were very much highlighted when the results were announced and so they aren't nearly as popular as they'd like to think, but given many of their seats had strong Reform/Independent votes, I reckon they'll need to do quite a lot to appease people in these seats so as to not lose them at the next election.
I think we have to remember we are still 5 years and 1 week away from the next general election, latest date. It certainly didn’t help Starmer labelling those genuine protesters as far right. Call a spade a spade, yeah, call out the rioters but most of them weren’t. He should have been calling for peace whilst acknowledging that some people were concerned and angry. Even Sadiq Khan suggesting that the left wingers are all football hooligans who should be banned from games just sends the wrong message. You did say and I have noticed your viewpoint shifts to suit your ideology, one being that Starmer would fall at his first crisis. The riots have failed to overthrow a democratic elected Government and are now over. This is a massive win for Kier Starmer, Angela Rayner and Yvette Cooper. The first crisis was comprehensively managed and dealt with. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 14:41:29 GMT
A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. Maybe some think like that but it's certainly possible to have concerns around immigration without smashing the place up even if I don't fully share those same concerns on the issue - that's why I specifically called out the thugs in my original post only. I don't listen to the far left (hence why I'm very critical of Corbyn) the same way I don't listen to the far right and any councillor of any persuasion who uses language like that should be suspended as Labour have already done with another member today. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be far far right or far far left that your ideology actually meets. I think we have to remember we are still 5 years and 1 week away from the next general election, latest date. It certainly didn’t help Starmer labelling those genuine protesters as far right. Call a spade a spade, yeah, call out the rioters but most of them weren’t. He should have been calling for peace whilst acknowledging that some people were concerned and angry. Even Sadiq Khan suggesting that the left wingers are all football hooligans who should be banned from games just sends the wrong message. You did say and I have noticed your viewpoint shifts to suit your ideology, one being that Starmer would fall at his first crisis. The riots have failed to overthrow a democratic elected Government and are now over. This is a massive win for Kier Starmer, Angela Rayner and Yvette Cooper. The first crisis was comprehensively managed and dealt with. But has it been dealt with? That's the question. It can come back again just like with striking workers. Ending a situation doesn't mean the job is finished. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2024 14:45:06 GMT
People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be far far right or far far left that your ideology actually meets. You did say and I have noticed your viewpoint shifts to suit your ideology, one being that Starmer would fall at his first crisis. The riots have failed to overthrow a democratic elected Government and are now over. This is a massive win for Kier Starmer, Angela Rayner and Yvette Cooper. The first crisis was comprehensively managed and dealt with. But has it been dealt with? That's the question. It can come back again just like with striking workers. Ending a situation doesn't mean the job is finished. All it has done is drive many people that voted for Labour in the last election into the arms or Reform for not addressing their concerns. 1 in 7, voted Reform in the election, would not be surprised if that was 1 in 5 now. That would be a massive win for Starmer and Cooper. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2024 14:54:43 GMT
People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be far far right or far far left that your ideology actually meets. You did say and I have noticed your viewpoint shifts to suit your ideology, one being that Starmer would fall at his first crisis. The riots have failed to overthrow a democratic elected Government and are now over. This is a massive win for Kier Starmer, Angela Rayner and Yvette Cooper. The first crisis was comprehensively managed and dealt with. But has it been dealt with? That's the question. It can come back again just like with striking workers. Ending a situation doesn't mean the job is finished. I don’t think it has. All it will take is one new spark and it’ll all kick off again. Like the autumn budget, rising immigration numbers or more asylum seeker fast tracking and it’s right back to the beginning. These riots don’t need to overthrow the government but they lay the seeds for more dissidents. If this is happening after a few weeks then Starmer will either go hard, as in super authoritarian, to maintain control or pull back plans, look weak and risk it all falling apart within a few years. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 15:18:56 GMT
People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be far far right or far far left that your ideology actually meets. You did say and I have noticed your viewpoint shifts to suit your ideology, one being that Starmer would fall at his first crisis. The riots have failed to overthrow a democratic elected Government and are now over. This is a massive win for Kier Starmer, Angela Rayner and Yvette Cooper. The first crisis was comprehensively managed and dealt with. But has it been dealt with? That's the question. It can come back again just like with striking workers. Ending a situation doesn't mean the job is finished. Do we know for sure if the protests are finished? I think they were playing games with the media yesterday and probably had no intention of 100 protesters. They could pretty much kick off again anytime probably when least expected. |
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