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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 20:17:42 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. Honestly most of what you post really is 'for the birds' to use your terminology. I think you'll find most people are very concerned about things like health care, education and housing which are all inextricably linked to immigration. |
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Post by buspete on Aug 8, 2024 21:04:59 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. So you really don't think people have concerns? People may have concerns, but they evidently don’t make up the majority. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 8, 2024 21:16:40 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. I think you're very mistaken on that one I'm afraid, I'm a Labour voter and there's a reason Labour have also pledged to tackle immigration and that's because it's an issue for people on all sides of the spectrum. The anti-racism demonstrations yesterday were not about immigration but more so about racism. They are not the same thing and should not be treated as such. People who are anti-immigration may not, and probably often do not align with reform values. Especially when you have three parties that agree immigration is a problem (Labour and Conservatives alongside Reform) you have three parties to pick from. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 21:38:19 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. I think you're very mistaken on that one I'm afraid, I'm a Labour voter and there's a reason Labour have also pledged to tackle immigration and that's because it's an issue for people on all sides of the spectrum. The anti-racism demonstrations yesterday were not about immigration but more so about racism. They are not the same thing and should not be treated as such. People who are anti-immigration may not, and probably often do not align with reform values. Especially when you have three parties that agree immigration is a problem (Labour and Conservatives alongside Reform) you have three parties to pick from. I think you've hit the nail on head perfectly now tbh. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 8, 2024 21:39:23 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. I think you're very mistaken on that one I'm afraid, I'm a Labour voter and there's a reason Labour have also pledged to tackle immigration and that's because it's an issue for people on all sides of the spectrum. The anti-racism demonstrations yesterday were not about immigration but more so about racism. They are not the same thing and should not be treated as such. People who are anti-immigration may not, and probably often do not align with reform values. Especially when you have three parties that agree immigration is a problem (Labour and Conservatives alongside Reform) you have three parties to pick from. Personally I think immigration is a great thing, we should want people to build their lives within the UK but admittedly I think illegal immigration is a problem. They can be entirely mutually inclusive. |
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Post by allentc on Aug 9, 2024 7:15:29 GMT
When you are being told by politicians being British is something to be ashamed of then maybe it is. I grew in an era where street parties were the norm, we were told to be proud to be British and most of that era are. It didn't matter who you voted for, you were proud. How can it be these days to be proud to be British is seen as far right. Being British is something we should all be proud of, how did we let that message get warped and distorted. People will fight to see these values upheld. It's in our moral fibre. Emily Thornberry's tweet of the house with the flag hanging outside and the white van tells you all you need to know of the left's contempt towards those proud of being English. It is amusing to watch the hypocracy of the left whey they celebrate and uphold people being outwardly proud <insert country other than England here>, their patriotism is promoted and encouraged. Yet when English people do the same they are automatically branded as far right, white nationalists, "Little Britainers", racists and bigots. I don't hear similar name calling towards for example proud Scots/Welsh - and there is nothing wrong with being a proud Scot/Welsh by the way.
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Post by saifjeetoo on Aug 9, 2024 7:50:17 GMT
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Post by buspete on Aug 9, 2024 12:09:50 GMT
I think you're very mistaken on that one I'm afraid, I'm a Labour voter and there's a reason Labour have also pledged to tackle immigration and that's because it's an issue for people on all sides of the spectrum. The anti-racism demonstrations yesterday were not about immigration but more so about racism. They are not the same thing and should not be treated as such. People who are anti-immigration may not, and probably often do not align with reform values. Especially when you have three parties that agree immigration is a problem (Labour and Conservatives alongside Reform) you have three parties to pick from. Personally I think immigration is a great thing, we should want people to build their lives within the UK but admittedly I think illegal immigration is a problem. They can be entirely mutually inclusive. Okay I did say a lot of older Labour voters have gone to Reform, especially in the 'Red Walls' of North East and Wales. I would guess these to be ex miners/shipbuilding communities, but not all. The riots were about stopping the boats and hence on Wednesday why an 'anti' faction turned up with t shirts with 'immigrants welcome'. People have different thresholds on immigration the stop the boat rioters would be none, where pro immigration would be quite high but these could vary. My red lines are that if someone comes over here to make a decent lives for themselves and their families by working had and paying taxes good luck to them, my great grandparents were immigrants from a very poor Ireland. Conversely if someone comes over here to commit crime especially violent, drug or sexual then they're out of here, period! They get no human rights, I would allow then an appeal though to make sure the Juries' verdict is just. That scumbag who threw acid in someone's face last year, would be out of here before that, when he committed his first sexual crime, he would be gone, after he served his sentence, of course. It is also bonkers when social workers send immigrant/s in their twenties/thirties to secondary school because they say they're children, safeguarding issues there - although this hasn't happened for a while though. No good saying you are either anti immigration then order food on Uber Eats/DelieverRoo/ |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 9, 2024 12:21:52 GMT
Personally I think immigration is a great thing, we should want people to build their lives within the UK but admittedly I think illegal immigration is a problem. They can be entirely mutually inclusive. Okay I did say a lot of older Labour voters have gone to Reform, especially in the 'Red Walls' of North East and Wales. I would guess these to be ex miners/shipbuilding communities, but not all. The riots were about stopping the boats and hence on Wednesday why an 'anti' faction turned up with t shirts with 'immigrants welcome'. People have different thresholds on immigration the stop the boat rioters would be none, where pro immigration would be quite high but these could vary. My red lines are that if someone comes over here to make a decent lives for themselves and their families by working had and paying taxes good luck to them, my great grandparents were immigrants from a very poor Ireland. Conversely if someone comes over here to commit crime especially violent, drug or sexual then they're out of here, period! They get no human rights, I would allow then an appeal though to make sure the Juries' verdict is just. That scumbag who threw acid in someone's face last year, would be out of here before that, when he committed his first sexual crime, he would be gone, after he served his sentence, of course. It is also bonkers when social workers send immigrant/s in their twenties/thirties to secondary school because they say they're children, safeguarding issues there - although this hasn't happened for a while though. No good saying you are either anti immigration then order food on Uber Eats/DelieverRoo/ I think the "anti social behaviour - if we are being consistent across the plain" was about what a shithole this country has been allowed to become. Then with the politicians such as Starmer and Cooper making excuses for this behaviour, kind of gave it a legitimacy. Why should they be making excuses. Condemn it just as much as the right wing action. |
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Post by (WHV76) BF65 WJZ on Aug 9, 2024 13:45:11 GMT
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 9, 2024 14:48:50 GMT
I think you're very mistaken on that one I'm afraid, I'm a Labour voter and there's a reason Labour have also pledged to tackle immigration and that's because it's an issue for people on all sides of the spectrum. The anti-racism demonstrations yesterday were not about immigration but more so about racism. They are not the same thing and should not be treated as such. People who are anti-immigration may not, and probably often do not align with reform values. Especially when you have three parties that agree immigration is a problem (Labour and Conservatives alongside Reform) you have three parties to pick from. Personally I think immigration is a great thing, we should want people to build their lives within the UK but admittedly I think illegal immigration is a problem. They can be entirely mutually inclusive. Infrastructure is the issue , Homes , NHS and strain on local services yet no government wants to do anything proactive , Homes are going up literally everywhere in South East of England which most working class people can't afford yet more and more working class people are coming here from abroad it seems, which leads people to blame immigrants which in some cases turns to racism ( mainly fueled by newspapers/media owned by foreigners telling everyone the immigrants are the cause of all the issues) add to that your Tommehs and Andrew Tates on X hyping things up adding fuel to the fire spreading nonsense and you have the perfect storm . Governments which have let us down consistently are the issue , Money for wars and dodgy contracts for mates but no magic money tree for infrastructure, something has to change but I'm not hopeful , Red or Blue all full of 💩. |
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Post by allentc on Aug 9, 2024 16:27:08 GMT
Infrastructure is the issue , Homes , NHS and strain on local services yet no government wants to do anything proactive , Homes are going up literally everywhere in South East of England which most working class people can't afford yet more and more working class people are coming here from abroad it seems, which leads people to blame immigrants which in some cases turns to racism ( mainly fueled by newspapers/media owned by foreigners telling everyone the immigrants are the cause of all the issues) add to that your Tommehs and Andrew Tates on X hyping things up adding fuel to the fire spreading nonsense and you have the perfect storm . Governments which have let us down consistently are the issue , Money for wars and dodgy contracts for mates but no magic money tree for infrastructure, something has to change but I'm not hopeful , Red or Blue all full of 💩. Nail hit right on the head there. Highest tax burden in 70 years yet where is it all going? Our hospitals cannot cope, classrooms are full and held in decaying buildings, police and fire stations being closed down, prisons overflowing, our army is the smallest in decades, potholes galore, substandard public transport outside of London, sewage pouring into rivers, families in temporary accommodation due to lack of permanent accomodation. Everything is being cut back and we are asked (Labour or Conservative) to always pay more but we see less and less for our money.
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 9, 2024 16:36:16 GMT
Infrastructure is the issue , Homes , NHS and strain on local services yet no government wants to do anything proactive , Homes are going up literally everywhere in South East of England which most working class people can't afford yet more and more working class people are coming here from abroad it seems, which leads people to blame immigrants which in some cases turns to racism ( mainly fueled by newspapers/media owned by foreigners telling everyone the immigrants are the cause of all the issues) add to that your Tommehs and Andrew Tates on X hyping things up adding fuel to the fire spreading nonsense and you have the perfect storm . Governments which have let us down consistently are the issue , Money for wars and dodgy contracts for mates but no magic money tree for infrastructure, something has to change but I'm not hopeful , Red or Blue all full of 💩. Nail hit right on the head there. Highest tax burden in 70 years yet where is it all going? Our hospitals cannot cope, classrooms are full and held in decaying buildings, police and fire stations being closed down, prisons overflowing, our army is the smallest in decades, potholes galore, substandard public transport outside of London. Everything is being cut back and we are asked (Labour or Conservative) to always pay more but we see less and less for our money.
Class sizes in schools are actually decreasing as birth rates in the last decade have dropped. It’s been linked to married couples delaying pregnancy, increasing infertility rates and women choosing to not have children at all. |
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Post by allentc on Aug 9, 2024 16:43:10 GMT
Class sizes in schools are actually decreasing as birth rates in the last decade have dropped. It’s been linked to married couples delaying pregnancy, increasing infertility rates and women choosing to not have children at all. I stand corrected you are right I do now recall hearing that somewhere. The cost of housing - young couples can barely afford to get on the property ladder and/or trapped in expensive rental properties - let alone the added significant cost of having children little surprise that many are putting off or not having children at all. |
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