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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 15:35:38 GMT
A few thousand spoke yes but it won't change the fact that many across all 4 nations have concerns about immigration. To say that only a few far right thugs are the only to have those concerns is very wrong and it issue won't go away for anything government. People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month, Brexit Party was available to all constituencies. Not try and overturn a democratic decision because you didn’t get the results you wanted. Err hang on a minute, that's exactly what you were doing recently when you called for another referendum on Brexit because the first one didn't produce the result that you wanted. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 15:46:45 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 15:53:56 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2024 16:10:33 GMT
To show a level playing field he needs to be up in court within a week and sentenced to two years if found guilty |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2024 16:11:20 GMT
And so he should be! I was shocked when I see the video of what he was saying and also the reaction of those behind him. What worries me about the situation at the moment is the extreme left feel powerful and almost above the law. It feels like they are taking credit for shutting down the far right protests. I don’t fancy even more left demos. I want to be clear I am not condoning the far right and hope this reply has not come across like that. |
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Post by buspete on Aug 8, 2024 17:02:22 GMT
What is the alternative overthrow the Government by insurrection? It failed in America and now failed here. It is over.
Many ex Labour voters voted for Reform, it’s for the birds that all Reform voters will are ex Tory voters, especially in the red wall of the North East and South Wales, they tend to be older, racist and dying out. On the point of ‘stopping the boats’ if the last Government or the current one, really wanted to they could stop the boats overnight, no fancy sound bites like ‘Rwanda’ (which is tantalising as ‘build a wall,” which is also a failure), without saying it, it is also a great advert for the Government that people cross the world then risk their lives, crossing the channel to get here if the Government wanted to stop the boats, the Government just need to hit the gig economy with big fines, but maybe there is a another reason why they don’t, maybe they want to grow the economy. When the boats don’t come then start to worry, as that is when the economy is in the bin. No plane was ever going to take off to Rwanda if the Conservatives were re-elected.
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Post by allentc on Aug 8, 2024 17:07:44 GMT
Maybe some think like that but it's certainly possible to have concerns around immigration without smashing the place up... It should be possible to have a reasoned discussion around immigration without the left shutting down any opportunity by turning it into a game of "left wing name calling bingo" demonising people labelling them as a homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, bigot, islamaphobe, racist, fascist, Nazi, conspiracy theorist, far right etc. as soon as they open their mouths. That or using tactics of deplatforming, debanking, harassment of that person or their employer or doxing. This has lead to where we are today with simmering tensions because people who have even moderate concerns feel they aren't being heard because whenever they try to air them they are shouted down and labelled.
A prime example of this being those against ULEZ - who peacefully protested by the way - were labelled by Khan as anti-vaxxers, far right, conspiracy theorist, Nazis etc. based on what? He doesn't know those people and their views on vaccines and other topics but instantly he resorted to the left wing tactic of name calling.
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Post by allentc on Aug 8, 2024 17:21:09 GMT
People had the opportunity to ‘speak’ and that was at the General Election last month In an ideal world but that assumes politicians deliver on what they have promised. As an example the Conservatives promising to get immigration down to "the tens of thousands". All those people who "spoke" voting Conservative base on that promise, the net result are levels of immigration higher than ever. So if doing it the right way at the ballot box doesn't work time and time again then is it a surprise when people take to the streets? We have seen many times irrespective of Labour or Conservative governments that what is promised in the manifesto immigration or some other topic, it is rarely ever delivered and therefore getting change via that method in the eyes of some appears to be ineffective. |
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Post by buspete on Aug 8, 2024 17:48:10 GMT
So the answer is insurrection? Which BTW the pot is being stirred by Russian actors? As it was with Brexit.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2024 17:57:53 GMT
So the answer is insurrection? Which BTW the pot is being stirred by Russian actors? As it was with Brexit. When you are being told by politicians being British is something to be ashamed of then maybe it is. I grew in an era where street parties were the norm, we were told to be proud to be British and most of that era are. It didn't matter who you voted for, you were proud. How can it be these days to be proud to be British is seen as far right. Being British is something we should all be proud of, how did we let that message get warped and distorted. People will fight to see these values upheld. It's in our moral fibre. How long before The Proms get banned as it incites far right behaviour? |
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Post by allentc on Aug 8, 2024 18:03:32 GMT
So the answer is insurrection? Which BTW the pot is being stirred by Russian actors? As it was with Brexit. It's not the ballot box so what other option is there? I'd be interested to hear. Foreign actors meddling in other countries affairs is nothing new and not surprising. The UK and USA have meddled in the affairs of other countries with often disastrous results. Some might say it is our meddling in those countries that has led to the mass movement of people that we see today. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan to name a few. By the way, how is the search going for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq going? Wasn't there a peaceful 1 million person demonstration against the Iraq war - the largest protest in recent times - that was effective /sarc. |
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Post by jacques on Aug 8, 2024 19:08:08 GMT
So the answer is insurrection? Which BTW the pot is being stirred by Russian actors? As it was with Brexit. When you are being told by politicians being British is something to be ashamed of then maybe it is. I grew in an era where street parties were the norm, we were told to be proud to be British and most of that era are. It didn't matter who you voted for, you were proud. How can it be these days to be proud to be British is seen as far right. Being British is something we should all be proud of, how did we let that message get warped and distorted. People will fight to see these values upheld. It's in our moral fibre. How long before The Proms get banned as it incites far right behaviour? Agree with you. I feel millions of peoples concerns about immigration, cultural change and knife crime has been hijacked and is now being branded "far-right". It's provided Labour/Green/Lib dem types the perfect opportunity to shut down dissent and keep pushing their mass immigration and multicultural agenda. if you watched any interviews over the past few days where they asked Labour Politicians about immigration, they completely ignore it - they literally dont care about mass immigration, because it has no impact on their lives, none of the migrants ever get dumped in their leafy middle class suburbs. They simply wont acknowledge it. |
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Post by buspete on Aug 8, 2024 19:29:06 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2024 19:50:23 GMT
But you could say the same about the Conservatives, if immigration is such a concern the Reform party was a thing at the GE. Most people don’t care about immigration. So you really don't think people have concerns? |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2024 20:14:39 GMT
And so he should be! I was shocked when I see the video of what he was saying and also the reaction of those behind him. What worries me about the situation at the moment is the extreme left feel powerful and almost above the law. It feels like they are taking credit for shutting down the far right protests. I don’t fancy even more left demos. I want to be clear I am not condoning the far right and hope this reply has not come across like that. Perhaps most shocking was the woman in an amnesty international jacket cheering what he said. |
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