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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 29, 2024 22:19:45 GMT
Isn't SI leased though? Other than that I don't see why it would have a problem being wired up, plus it probably wouldn't need wiring. It's a shame because they operated many routes from that garage in the past, and unfortunately it has lost so much work. Literally back in 2022, the garage used to operate the D7, 135, 276, 300 and 376. And of course, many more that I am unable to think of from the top of my head!Now it only operates the 300 and 473, and that too with the 473 leaving to go to DS, once the BD11s are ready. Will the 147 still be moving to SI though? I think it would've been better to move the 15 too, given SI being quite close to the lining of the route. The 100 was there for a couple years after the closure of Mandela Way (MW) bus garage, and the W19 was won and ran by Docklands SI. Route 474 also transferred to SI in November 2007 the night it gained 24 status. I'm not too sure if you are aware of the 15 being based at DS for the past two years, but DS is barely 200 metres from SI so it's barely going to make a difference to operations if the 15 moved to SI. Oh, I actually had no idea that it the garages were that close to each other, good to know! |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 29, 2024 22:46:17 GMT
So would SI have a problem with being wired up? Isn't SI leased though? Other than that I don't see why it would have a problem being wired up, plus it probably wouldn't need wiring. It's a shame because they operated many routes from that garage in the past, and unfortunately it has lost so much work. Literally back in 2022, the garage used to operate the D7, 135, 276, 300 and 376. And of course, many more that I am unable to think of from the top of my head! Now it only operates the 300 and 473, and that too with the 473 leaving to go to DS, once the BD11s are ready. Will the 147 still be moving to SI though? I think it would've been better to move the 15 too, given SI being quite close to the lining of the route. It remains to be seen if the 147 will move, as it was originally meant to be a garage swap with the 366 and 376. RR clearly has the space for now for both the 147 and 366, so no real need to move the 147. While SI isn't really serving much purpose at the moment (soon to only have a total PVR of 10), RR and DS are both getting quite close to full capacity. The 300 could probably move to another garage if needed, but this would limit Go Ahead's chances of winning more work in this area in the future. I think it could make sense to simplify the allocations around Silvertown and make DS a fully electric garage. Then move some more diesel or hybrid routes into SI. The 15 and 115 could go there (with the 649/650/651 to RR). Go Ahead can then decide in a few years time whether to electrify SI. |
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Post by yunus on Oct 29, 2024 22:51:50 GMT
Isn't SI leased though? Other than that I don't see why it would have a problem being wired up, plus it probably wouldn't need wiring. It's a shame because they operated many routes from that garage in the past, and unfortunately it has lost so much work. Literally back in 2022, the garage used to operate the D7, 135, 276, 300 and 376. And of course, many more that I am unable to think of from the top of my head! Now it only operates the 300 and 473, and that too with the 473 leaving to go to DS, once the BD11s are ready. Will the 147 still be moving to SI though? I think it would've been better to move the 15 too, given SI being quite close to the lining of the route. It remains to be seen if the 147 will move, as it was originally meant to be a garage swap with the 366 and 376. RR clearly has the space for now for both the 147 and 366, so no real need to move the 147. While SI isn't really serving much purpose at the moment (soon to only have a total PVR of 10), RR and DS are both getting quite close to full capacity. The 300 could probably move to another garage if needed, but this would limit Go Ahead's chances of winning more work in this area in the future. I think it could make sense to simplify the allocations around Silvertown and make DS a fully electric garage. Then move some more diesel or hybrid routes into SI. The 15 and 115 could go there (with the 649/650/651 to RR). Go Ahead can then decide in a few years time whether to electrify SI. Not sure about DS but RR most be close to full cos the 325 is converting to EVs. The 300 still will have a year to go with existing Diesel SEs and I could see BK taking on the route next contract. |
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Post by DOE27 on Oct 29, 2024 23:19:31 GMT
An SL7 has crashed into a car in Feltham where it crosses over the 116 LOR. Do you know what vehicle it was? |
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Post by lj61nwc on Oct 29, 2024 23:49:32 GMT
An SL7 has crashed into a car in Feltham where it crosses over the 116 LOR. Do you know what vehicle it was? Appears to have been WVL339 on Sunday |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 30, 2024 12:42:48 GMT
It remains to be seen if the 147 will move, as it was originally meant to be a garage swap with the 366 and 376. RR clearly has the space for now for both the 147 and 366, so no real need to move the 147. While SI isn't really serving much purpose at the moment (soon to only have a total PVR of 10), RR and DS are both getting quite close to full capacity. The 300 could probably move to another garage if needed, but this would limit Go Ahead's chances of winning more work in this area in the future. I think it could make sense to simplify the allocations around Silvertown and make DS a fully electric garage. Then move some more diesel or hybrid routes into SI. The 15 and 115 could go there (with the 649/650/651 to RR). Go Ahead can then decide in a few years time whether to electrify SI. Not sure about DS but RR most be close to full cos the 325 is converting to EVs. The 300 still will have a year to go with existing Diesel SEs and I could see BK taking on the route next contract. I'm not sure about Stagecoach winning the 300, there wouldn't be any cost benefit with running the route from BK considering SI and DS are literally on the doorstep of the route. It's a shame WH is closing as the 300 would be a goof fit, especially with the possibility of it being extended up towards West Ham in the future |
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Post by ! ALEED on Oct 30, 2024 13:55:49 GMT
Not sure about DS but RR most be close to full cos the 325 is converting to EVs. The 300 still will have a year to go with existing Diesel SEs and I could see BK taking on the route next contract. I'm not sure about Stagecoach winning the 300, there wouldn't be any cost benefit with running the route from BK considering SI and DS are literally on the doorstep of the route. It's a shame WH is closing as the 300 would be a goof fit, especially with the possibility of it being extended up towards West Ham in the future In my opinion, if LI can operate the 135, BK can definitely operate the 300. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 30, 2024 14:03:18 GMT
I'm not sure about Stagecoach winning the 300, there wouldn't be any cost benefit with running the route from BK considering SI and DS are literally on the doorstep of the route. It's a shame WH is closing as the 300 would be a goof fit, especially with the possibility of it being extended up towards West Ham in the future In my opinion, if LI can operate the 135, BK can definitely operate the 300. I know I am the unofficial Arriva DX fan but really wouldn’t count them out on upcoming east London tenders. Go Ahead RR and DS must be very close to full with the 129 and SL4 due to come over next year. Stagecoach are moving out of WH so space is at a premium in east London garages. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 30, 2024 14:06:31 GMT
In my opinion, if LI can operate the 135, BK can definitely operate the 300. I know I am the unofficial Arriva DX fan but really wouldn’t count them out on upcoming east London tenders. Go Ahead RR and DS must be very close to full with the 129 and SL4 due to come over next year. Stagecoach are moving out of WH so space is at a premium in east London garages. If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. |
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Post by PGAT on Oct 30, 2024 14:11:29 GMT
I know I am the unofficial Arriva DX fan but really wouldn’t count them out on upcoming east London tenders. Go Ahead RR and DS must be very close to full with the 129 and SL4 due to come over next year. Stagecoach are moving out of WH so space is at a premium in east London garages. If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. They specifically didn’t bid for the 325 to allow the ENLs to transfer to the 312 |
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Post by SILENCED on Oct 30, 2024 14:12:45 GMT
I know I am the unofficial Arriva DX fan but really wouldn’t count them out on upcoming east London tenders. Go Ahead RR and DS must be very close to full with the 129 and SL4 due to come over next year. Stagecoach are moving out of WH so space is at a premium in east London garages. If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. They are under new management so it is possible that the ethos coming from up top has changed. I get the feeling DB did not want to invest in Arriva UK Bus, whilst the messages coming out of I Squared suggest a little more willingness to invest, but who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Sure those in the know are unable to divulge. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 30, 2024 14:15:28 GMT
If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. They specifically didn’t bid for the 325 to allow the ENLs to transfer to the 312 This has got to be one of the most baseless comments here, the 325 bid wouldn't have been compliant with the ENLs regardless and therefore wouldn't have had a bearing on whether Arriva bid. Arriva clearly had a reason they didn't go for it, but the fact it was to release the ENLs is laughable. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 30, 2024 14:16:26 GMT
If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. They specifically didn’t bid for the 325 to allow the ENLs to transfer to the 312 Either way 325 would have required new buses anyways. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 30, 2024 14:17:37 GMT
If its said that Arriva didn't bid for the 325, why would they bid for routes like the 330 and 241 that are not particularly near them? Probably can't rule them out, but I'd be very surprised if Arriva are even interested. They are under new management so it is possible that the ethos coming from up top has changed. I get the feeling DB did not want to invest in Arriva UK Bus, whilst the messages coming out of I Squared suggest a little more willingness to invest, but who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Sure those in the know are unable to divulge. Completely agree, the long term aim is going to be to sell Arriva off so they will need to inflate the value. The issue however is Private Equity raises capital to do so by using the same companies and financial power from the General Partners put in charge of turning the company around, which in turn leads the company down a road where it has to pay back the original lender if things don't actually take a turn for the better which is when divisions start getting wound up as a result. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 30, 2024 14:20:25 GMT
They specifically didn’t bid for the 325 to allow the ENLs to transfer to the 312 This has got to be one of the most baseless comments here, the 325 bid wouldn't have been compliant with the ENLs regardless and therefore wouldn't have had a bearing on whether Arriva bid. Arriva clearly had a reason they didn't go for it, but the fact it was to release the ENLs is laughable. However the SL2 was gained and sent to DX plus the 150 & 175 retained so it’s pretty obvious the company has interest in keeping the site open. What point are you trying to make here? Many garages have experienced loosing streaks… |
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