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Post by SILENCED on Nov 13, 2024 12:20:57 GMT
Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot This is what I have been saying all along no way are they building and shipping the buses this quick. They probably have 100s built and just adjust the interior to which ever operator takes them. Not so sure on that. Not BYD, but Yutong build over 3000 a month, so over a 100 a day if they work 7 day weeks. Not sure BYD is same scale, but still figures that would be pipe dreams to European manufacturers. Would not be surprised if all 133 were reduced in a 2-3 week period |
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 13, 2024 12:22:49 GMT
Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot This is what I have been saying all along no way are they building and shipping the buses this quick. They probably have 100s built and just adjust the interior to which ever operator takes them. I rather think that the orders were confirmed an age ago but just never "leaked" or published until they were first seen on a Chinese social media site |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 13, 2024 13:06:15 GMT
Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot This is what I have been saying all along no way are they building and shipping the buses this quick. They probably have 100s built and just adjust the interior to which ever operator takes them. I do wonder whether we will see many more batches of BYDs ordered now, or if those already announced are more of a stop-gap order, to guarantee getting new EVs in service in time while other manufacturers in the UK/Europe have had backlogs? There is suddenly a much bigger demand for new EVs as TFL are awarding more contracts - many of which on routes which already had compliant diesels/hybrids allocated - plus electrics becoming more common in other UK cities. It seems Wright may be at limited manufacturing capacity right now, as some operators like Arriva and Metroline had mostly ordered from them recently, but have additionally ordered BD11s too. And even when their new manufacturing line is running, this might just mostly cover the deal with Go Ahead. Alongside this, the gap between the BYD/ADL combination being discontinued and the new integral ADL range becoming available would have contributed - as other manufacturers like Wright wouldn't have been able to take on all ADL customers. And for whatever reason, the BZL range doesn't seem to have had that much success so far, considering how popular Volvo were for hybrids and diesels in the past. And to a greater extent, operators have been moving away from Optare as soon as alternatives have become available, like the E100EV. Once ADL's new electric range is fully launched, and manufacturers start to have more capacity available, I wouldn't be surprised if orders start to become more standardised again, potentially with the majority coming from just ADL and Wright. |
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Post by vxm on Nov 13, 2024 13:28:59 GMT
EBD24 has been seen at the Euro Bus Expo at National Exhibition Centre. Potentially registered as LF74UAA? What is going on here? GAL’s EBD’s are arriving very quickly all of a sudden but SW’s hasn’t even started their electrification process Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot True, if they get like 1 or 2 EBDs at the depot with a remote charger or something like that, then I feel like one or two of the MHVs on the 333 will transfer to BX and they’ll mostly replace a couple of the 89’s Es or the LX59 WVLs (I think WVL274 is allocated to the 486 iirc or was it the 132’s old allocation alongside WVL296 before the EP’s came) or something just like how PM have 2 of the SEes for the P12, I can see them using them on the 89 straight away but they’ll most likely use them on the 601 or maybe the other 3 school routes before they go to MG next year along side the 51? & 244 until the rest arrive for the 89/N89, but hate to be a pain but we’ll see how that turns out cos I kinda lowkey noticed that I actually thought they were gonna do the same thing like they did with the P12 |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 13, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot True, if they get like 1 or 2 EBDs at the depot with a remote charger or something like that, then I feel like one or two of the MHVs on the 333 will transfer to BX and they’ll mostly replace a couple of the 89’s Es or the LX59 WVLs (I think WVL274 is allocated to the 486 iirc or was it the 132’s old allocation alongside WVL296 before the EP’s came) or something just like how PM have 2 of the SEes for the P12, I can see them using them on the 89 straight away but they’ll most likely use them on the 601 or maybe the other 3 school routes before they go to MG next year along side the 51? & 244 until the rest arrive for the 89/N89, but hate to be a pain but we’ll see how that turns out cos I kinda lowkey noticed that I actually thought they were gonna do the same thing like they did with the P12 Depends on the kind of remote charger, TfL doesn’t allow diesel powered generators at TfL depots so it would need to be a plug in wall charger of some sort. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2024 14:12:37 GMT
Deliveries were not quite all of a sudden as the buses were already all but built when rumour first appeared that Go Ahead were interested in the BYD BD11s, the firm in essence keeping tight lip about them (as with Metroline with some of theirs now also witnessed seen). Regarding SW not being ready with infrastructure, neither is PM as most of their new SEes for the P12 are still being used elsewhere, the 355 being one of the routes. It's likely for now the 333 will continue with the MHVs with the EBDs used elsewhere, perhaps at least one held for SW using a remote charger or at the very least given a visit to the depot True, if they get like 1 or 2 EBDs at the depot with a remote charger or something like that, then I feel like one or two of the MHVs on the 333 will transfer to BX and they’ll mostly replace a couple of the 89’s Es or the LX59 WVLs (I think WVL274 is allocated to the 486 iirc or was it the 132’s old allocation alongside WVL296 before the EP’s came) or something just like how PM have 2 of the SEes for the P12, I can see them using them on the 89 straight away but they’ll most likely use them on the 601 or maybe the other 3 school routes before they go to MG next year along side the 51? & 244 until the rest arrive for the 89/N89, but hate to be a pain but we’ll see how that turns out cos I kinda lowkey noticed that I actually thought they were gonna do the same thing like they did with the P12 I think your overthinking it - even if lets say a couple of EBD's are put into service at SW using remote charging, I don't think we'll see buses move anywhere especially as moving a couple of MHV's to BX for the 89 isn't really going to solve anything. |
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Post by r4h106 on Nov 13, 2024 14:18:29 GMT
2 more wvns pulled up to np garage one was WVN14 (I’m pretty sure) both were blinded for 473
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Post by WH241 on Nov 13, 2024 14:25:55 GMT
2 more wvns pulled up to np garage one was WVN14 (I’m pretty sure) both were blinded for 473 WVN 14 is currently on the 473 so must be another bus. Edit : was on the 473 until 13.10 so that must have been a very quick transfer back to NP! |
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Post by r4h106 on Nov 13, 2024 14:27:38 GMT
2 more wvns pulled up to np garage one was WVN14 (I’m pretty sure) both were blinded for 473 WVN 14 is currently on the 473 so must be another bus. pretty certain it was wvn14, was blinded 473 North Woolwich if it wasn’t 14 definitely something with 4 |
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Post by mark on Nov 13, 2024 15:23:58 GMT
This is what I have been saying all along no way are they building and shipping the buses this quick. They probably have 100s built and just adjust the interior to which ever operator takes them. Not so sure on that. Not BYD, but Yutong build over 3000 a month, so over a 100 a day if they work 7 day weeks. Not sure BYD is same scale, but still figures that would be pipe dreams to European manufacturers. Would not be surprised if all 133 were reduced in a 2-3 week period Although the linked article is over two years old it would suggest that BYD can churn out about 7000 buses a year (reverse engineering 70000 in a decade). |
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Post by mark on Nov 13, 2024 15:24:11 GMT
Not so sure on that. Not BYD, but Yutong build over 3000 a month, so over a 100 a day if they work 7 day weeks. Not sure BYD is same scale, but still figures that would be pipe dreams to European manufacturers. Would not be surprised if all 133 were reduced in a 2-3 week period Although the linked article is over two years old it would suggest that BYD can churn out about 7000 buses a year (reverse engineering 70000 in a decade). |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 13, 2024 15:28:59 GMT
If you go back 10 years, doubt there was a market for 7000 electric buses a year, so would think the last 4 or so years is responsible for the large majority of that total |
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Post by mark on Nov 13, 2024 15:34:43 GMT
If you go back 10 years, doubt there was a market for 7000 electric buses a year, so would think the last 4 or so years is responsible for the large majority of that total Quite possibly - the BEV bus market in China really got going in 2017 ( with over 100,000 delivered that year alone according to this report theicct.org/publication/r2z-zero-emission-hdv-china-2023-aug24/#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20total%20sales%20of,compared%20with%20sales%20in%202022. ) By contrast the “nearly 7,000”) RT family buses delivered to LT between 1939 and 1954 looks rather puny! |
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Post by mark on Nov 13, 2024 15:36:17 GMT
If you go back 10 years, doubt there was a market for 7000 electric buses a year, so would think the last 4 or so years is responsible for the large majority of that total Quite possibly - the BEV bus market in China really got going in 2017 ( with over 100,000 delivered that year alone according to this report theicct.org/publication/r2z-zero-emission-hdv-china-2023-aug24/#:~:text=In%202023%2C%20total%20sales%20of,compared%20with%20sales%20in%202022. ) By contrast the “nearly 7,000”) RT family buses delivered to LT between 1939 and 1954 looks rather puny. British Leyland also used to take great pride in the Workington plants ability to churn out 40 Leyland Nationals a week although I don’t think it ever actually achieved that figure! |
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Post by mb171 on Nov 13, 2024 16:30:24 GMT
So what's the current situation for 333 regarding its EVs? I am still yet to understand what is going on.
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